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Post by anthony55 on Sept 2, 2024 11:22:15 GMT
I think I'm correct in saying Ahadme scored 11 goals last season.
Not great but not terrible either.
Six of his goals we're scored with his head and three we're penalties.
That tells me he relies heavily on decent crosses into the box.
As a team we are pretty hopeless at crossing the ball.
Adf to that , that his strike partner is a winger still learning how to play as a striker and it's no surprise we are not getting the best out of him.
Supply him with decent crosses and give him Godden as his strike partner and I'm sure he will start scoring.
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Post by se17foxy on Sept 2, 2024 11:25:40 GMT
I don’t personally feel it’s right to throw too much stick his way until he starts fluffing goal scoring opportunities. He's probably had less than 5 half decent deliveries put into the box for him to attack in the first 4 games. Maybe people’s frustrations should be directed towards the wing backs who just haven’t shown anywhere near enough quality going forwards. Ramsey has been top drawer defensively but even his final ball just hasn’t been good enough, and the less said about small the better.
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Post by clarky on Sept 2, 2024 11:26:30 GMT
Some people haven't got the balls to criticise other players who have been equally inneffective just because they are youngsters so what do they do, pick on a 23-year old just because in their heads it's his fault that he replaced Alfie May. Try turning your frustrations on the real problem here, the owners who have not given NJ enough money. I suspect Adhadme is getting criticism not because who he might have replaced but because we spent a sizeable amount on him. At this stage, and it is very early days, we aren't getting much of a return for our circa £650k initial outlay. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 2, 2024 11:37:39 GMT
Some people haven't got the balls to criticise other players who have been equally inneffective just because they are youngsters so what do they do, pick on a 23-year old just because in their heads it's his fault that he replaced Alfie May. Try turning your frustrations on the real problem here, the owners who have not given NJ enough money. There must be something wrong, somewhere, if we have a, virtually, new squad that is the 4th most expensive in the division yet we seem to be unable to sign enough players of a high enough quality. I would suggest that Aneke is a legacy cost that doesn't justify his wages but I'm not sure we have many other high earners at the club that were not brought in by those making the decisions now. Typically teams that are under resourced, and fighting to win games they should lose, tend towards high intensity, aggression and effort/commitment. A team can improve results quite dramatically by increasing effort etc. but that seems to be our whole MO. Surely with the 4th highest budget we should have more than just trying harder than the opposition. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 2, 2024 12:06:29 GMT
The Ahadme argument has mitigation that fans are totally overlooking because it's convenient for them to do that.
At Reading on Saturday we came under lots of pressure and quite a few of our clearances from defence were lumped back down the field. Ahadme tussles with his marker to try and get his head on them but when he does he is totally isolated. TC is 30 yards away while the nearest midfielder is 30 yards in the opposite direction. Gassan wins the header, ok it may not be a clean purchase but the ball falls to one of the three defenders who are closer to him that what the nearest Charlton player is. This has happened in other games too.
I'm sorry but without a ball carrier it's route one football and the headers he does win are dropping into spaces that we have nobody in which makes it look like a poor attempt at winning the ball when it isn't.
Surely having watched him play four times fans can now compare with the role he played at Cambridge. Ok it's only a video but one thing is for sure and that is there are far more team mates much closer to him in a yellow shirt compared to what there are in a red one.
Balls coming into him from the flanks are non-existent and the failure to bring in a CAM will no doubt be our undoing.
Perhaps it's the system that's flawed not Ahadme.
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Post by leedsaddick on Sept 2, 2024 12:10:53 GMT
The Ahadme argument has mitigation that fans are totally overlooking because it's convenient for them to do that. At Reading on Saturday we came under lots of pressure and quite a few of our clearances from defence were lumped back down the field. Ahadme tussles with his marker to try and get his head on them but when he does he is totally isolated. TC is 30 yards away while the nearest midfielder is 30 yards in the opposite direction. Gassan wins the header, ok it may not be a clean purchase but the ball falls to one of the three defenders who are closer to him that what the nearest Charlton player is. This has happened in other games too. I'm sorry but without a ball carrier it's route one football and the headers he does win are dropping into spaces that we have nobody in which makes it look like a poor attempt at winning the ball when it isn't. Surely having watched him play four times fans can now compare with the role he played at Cambridge. Ok it's only a video but one think is for sure and that is there are far more team mates much closer to him in a yellow shirt compared to what there are in a red one. Balls coming into him from the flanks are non-existent and the failure to bring in a CAM will no doubt be our undoing. Perhaps it's the system that's flawed not Ahadme. I think it could be the system…. We don’t have any width … Adhadme would thrive on the ball coming into the box…. Our wing backs aren’t providing the crosses and they’re not getting the ball…. Isn’t Campbell more of a ball carrier? Perhaps the time has come to start with Godden |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 2, 2024 12:25:29 GMT
Some people haven't got the balls to criticise other players who have been equally inneffective just because they are youngsters so what do they do, pick on a 23-year old just because in their heads it's his fault that he replaced Alfie May. Try turning your frustrations on the real problem here, the owners who have not given NJ enough money. There must be something wrong, somewhere, if we have a, virtually, new squad that is the 4th most expensive in the division yet we seem to be unable to sign enough players of a high enough quality. I would suggest that Aneke is a legacy cost that doesn't justify his wages but I'm not sure we have many other high earners at the club that were not brought in by those making the decisions now. Typically teams that are under resourced, and fighting to win games they should lose, tend towards high intensity, aggression and effort/commitment. A team can improve results quite dramatically by increasing effort etc. but that seems to be our whole MO. Surely with the 4th highest budget we should have more than just trying harder than the opposition. I agree kings hill addick It’s probably too early to judge, but if by the time the January window opens we aren’t mounting a serious challenge for a place in the top six, despite our very competitive wage budget, then questions will need to be asked. From my perspective, Nathan Jones will be primarily responsible if this season is another abject failure. Tactically, he’s a fundamentalist with a very strong belief set around how he wants his teams to play. It might be argued that the chosen style is extreme, but nevertheless players have been recruited specifically to suit Jones’s approach and his requirements. We’re only four games in, but the data tells us very clearly what the result of the Jonesian revolution is. On the positive side of the ledger, only Bolton, Stockport and Birmingham have conceded fewer chances than we have and their lead in this respect is almost insignificant. Jones has made us very difficult to score against. On the other hand, only Wigan and Leyton Orient have created fewer chances. One of the most striking aspects of Opta’s data set on us is their “Zones of control”, which measures areas of the pitch where we have more than 55% of the touches and vice versa. Last season, under Appleton, at least before Christmas, we tended to be quite dominant, having more than 55% of touches in most areas of the pitch, now the reverse is true. This doesn’t necessarily correlate with goals scored or conceded, but it is stunningly clear evidence of how Jones wants to play. He’s not trying to retain possession or to “control” matches. He clearly doesn’t believe we need to do so in order to win matches. Jones may prove to be right of course. After all, despite our data, we’ve won three games out of four and are well placed in the table. We obviously need to find a way to create more chances, but perhaps Jones believes that will come? As I see it Jones is doing what he believes is right and though we don’t have a Birmingham type of budget we are way ahead of most clubs in terms of the wages we’ve been able to offer. He’ll get the credit if we have a successful season, but equally it will be down to him if we don’t finish in or around the top six. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Sept 2, 2024 12:40:14 GMT
It's likely the system at fault, but it's also the system Jones has chosen to play. So, why scout Ahadme? As I've mentioned before, our midfield has shown little cohesive play—no quick passing to advance up the field and support the front two. We seem content to let the opposition have the ball, hoping our press forces them into mistakes. When we do have the ball, we often launch it forward in the hope that our forwards can latch onto it. Campbell, despite not being a striker, has looked more dangerous due to his pace, whereas Ahadme has struggled because he lacks the speed to beat defenders. If Jones continues with this tactic, it raises the question of why Ahadme was recruited when a forward with pace would have been a much better option. Ahadme's strength is his ariel ability from crosses.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 2, 2024 12:45:47 GMT
Well said scabbyhorse.
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Post by clarky on Sept 2, 2024 12:52:51 GMT
It's likely the system at fault, but it's also the system Jones has chosen to play. So, why scout Ahadme? As I've mentioned before, our midfield has shown little cohesive play—no quick passing to advance up the field and support the front two. We seem content to let the opposition have the ball, hoping our press forces them into mistakes. When we do have the ball, we often launch it forward in the hope that our forwards can latch onto it. Campbell, despite not being a striker, has looked more dangerous due to his pace, whereas Ahadme has struggled because he lacks the speed to beat defenders. If Jones continues with this tactic, it raises the question of why Ahadme was recruited when a forward with pace would have been a much better option. Ahadme's strength is his ariel ability from crosses. Spot on. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 2, 2024 13:43:46 GMT
It's likely the system at fault, but it's also the system Jones has chosen to play. So, why scout Ahadme? As I've mentioned before, our midfield has shown little cohesive play—no quick passing to advance up the field and support the front two. We seem content to let the opposition have the ball, hoping our press forces them into mistakes. When we do have the ball, we often launch it forward in the hope that our forwards can latch onto it. Campbell, despite not being a striker, has looked more dangerous due to his pace, whereas Ahadme has struggled because he lacks the speed to beat defenders. If Jones continues with this tactic, it raises the question of why Ahadme was recruited when a forward with pace would have been a much better option. Ahadme's strength is his ariel ability from crosses. I don't disagree with any of what you've said but I think that Ahadme's attraction to Jones was his energy and the fact that he runs about all the time and the high press is likely to create the mistakes that will lead to us scoring. He put pressure on Santos that led to the stray ball that led to our first goal against Bolton. I think he is doing what the manager wants him to and as Mundell says, above, we don't know, yet, if this is going to be enough to secure us a top six place. With our defence I would fancy us in the playoffs. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 2, 2024 14:10:33 GMT
It's likely the system at fault, but it's also the system Jones has chosen to play. So, why scout Ahadme? As I've mentioned before, our midfield has shown little cohesive play—no quick passing to advance up the field and support the front two. We seem content to let the opposition have the ball, hoping our press forces them into mistakes. When we do have the ball, we often launch it forward in the hope that our forwards can latch onto it. Campbell, despite not being a striker, has looked more dangerous due to his pace, whereas Ahadme has struggled because he lacks the speed to beat defenders. If Jones continues with this tactic, it raises the question of why Ahadme was recruited when a forward with pace would have been a much better option. Ahadme's strength is his ariel ability from crosses. I don't disagree with any of what you've said but I think that Ahadme's attraction to Jones was his energy and the fact that he runs about all the time and the high press is likely to create the mistakes that will lead to us scoring. He put pressure on Santos that led to the stray ball that led to our first goal against Bolton. I think he is doing what the manager wants him to and as Mundell says, above, we don't know, yet, if this is going to be enough to secure us a top six place. With our defence I would fancy us in the playoffs. You may have a good point here. Whilst our xGF is 4th worst (2.5 xG across 4 games), our xGA is 3rd lowest/best (2.6 xG). They are very closely matched. I do feel we need a tweak in the team to make our attacking flow more, but if we can continue to have a great xGA then we shouldn't be far off come the end of the season. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 2, 2024 15:16:00 GMT
I don't disagree with any of what you've said but I think that Ahadme's attraction to Jones was his energy and the fact that he runs about all the time and the high press is likely to create the mistakes that will lead to us scoring. He put pressure on Santos that led to the stray ball that led to our first goal against Bolton. I think he is doing what the manager wants him to and as Mundell says, above, we don't know, yet, if this is going to be enough to secure us a top six place. With our defence I would fancy us in the playoffs. You may have a good point here. Whilst our xGF is 4th worst (2.5 xG across 4 games), our xGA is 3rd lowest/best (2.6 xG). They are very closely matched. I do feel we need a tweak in the team to make our attacking flow more, but if we can continue to have a great xGA then we shouldn't be far off come the end of the season. As everybody has noted, our xGa is fantastic now. And let's acknowledge that's been achieved through recruiting Mannion, Mitchell and Docherty. We had the rest already. Four games is far too soon to write off any player or system, but given what has been written above, should Jones consider a 3-4-3?! That's to say T. Campbell out wide or some other more dynamic combination. Put simply, our attacking game isn't working so well. This is on Jones and he has had the luxury of a top six budget plus bringing in ex Luton players he knows. But let's be patient as it's not like we can change anything! Plus Leaburn and Edwards back in a matter of weeks. Ideally we stay in or around 6th place, then the owners / SMT make significant funds available so as to ensure we can make the next step up. That might mean new faces, a plan B approach or simply four months more coaching and playing together... probably a mix of all three. |
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Post by roburwash on Sept 2, 2024 16:16:35 GMT
Some people haven't got the balls to criticise other players who have been equally inneffective just because they are youngsters so what do they do, pick on a 23-year old just because in their heads it's his fault that he replaced Alfie May. Try turning your frustrations on the real problem here, the owners who have not given NJ enough money. I am perfectly prepared to criticise other players if they merit it, but this thread is about Ahadme so I have been talking about him. I was responding to BB's litany of the great things he thinks that Ahadme has done. Thus far, I have not seen what he has to contribute apart from running around. If he was bought to score goals and it is known that he mostly does that with headers from crosses, it seems to me that NJ either picked the wrong striker or is failing to provide him with players and a style of play that plays to his strengths. As for blaming the owners for not giving NJ enough money, I was under the impression that Ahadme is our most expensive acquisition. |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 2, 2024 17:00:36 GMT
I don't disagree with any of what you've said but I think that Ahadme's attraction to Jones was his energy and the fact that he runs about all the time and the high press is likely to create the mistakes that will lead to us scoring. He put pressure on Santos that led to the stray ball that led to our first goal against Bolton. I think he is doing what the manager wants him to and as Mundell says, above, we don't know, yet, if this is going to be enough to secure us a top six place. With our defence I would fancy us in the playoffs. You may have a good point here. Whilst our xGF is 4th worst (2.5 xG across 4 games), our xGA is 3rd lowest/best (2.6 xG). They are very closely matched. I do feel we need a tweak in the team to make our attacking flow more, but if we can continue to have a great xGA then we shouldn't be far off come the end of the season. Leaburn’s return could well be pivotal in our season. Jones has been very positive about him and if he hits the ground running he could make a big difference. The question then would be who starts alongside him. Godden and Ahadme would presumably be the front runners with Aneke, Campbell, Kanu and perhaps Dixon options off the bench. We could suddenly look much more potent and with our defence so solid might be capable of putting together long runs of wins. This might be the bet Jones is making. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 2, 2024 17:08:02 GMT
You may have a good point here. Whilst our xGF is 4th worst (2.5 xG across 4 games), our xGA is 3rd lowest/best (2.6 xG). They are very closely matched. I do feel we need a tweak in the team to make our attacking flow more, but if we can continue to have a great xGA then we shouldn't be far off come the end of the season. Leaburn’s return could well be pivotal in our season. Jones has been very positive about him and if he hits the ground running he could make a big difference. The question then would be who starts alongside him. Godden and Ahadme would presumably be the front runners with Aneke, Campbell, Kanu and perhaps Dixon options off the bench. We could suddenly look much more potent and with our defence so solid might be capable of putting together long runs of wins. This might be the bet Jones is making. We could also take more risks when attacking. If we’re more confident with our defence to handle counters then we could risk more getting forward into the box etc. Getting more people forward and into the box will provide more options and can make a team look so much better without the added creativity from say a CAM. The key is movement for me. You need people to move in and (almost more importantly imo) out of space to create it for others. I don’t feel like we do this enough. Everyone seems to stick to their positions or positional areas. This makes it harder for the opposition to counter but also easier for them to defend. The balance here atm for me is off. We’re too defensive minded. I can see why Nathan would start out this way, I just hope he’s flexible going forwards. |
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Post by newyorkaddick on Sept 3, 2024 20:06:57 GMT
I'm minded to defend Ahadme for now as his non-stop pressing is apparent and his 'service' has been absolutely awful (even the best target men in the world would struggle to maintain possession from 50 yard long balls in their general direction with a strike partner rarely in the same postcode).
However I have nagging fear he has not actually been bought for his athleticism but as an 'outlet', in which case we either have to quickly acknowledge the mistake, or hopefully more optimistically provide him with a partner he can actually play off.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 3, 2024 20:20:12 GMT
I'm minded to defend Ahadme for now as his non-stop pressing is apparent and his 'service' has been absolutely awful (even the best target men in the world would struggle to maintain possession from 50 yard long balls in his general direction with a strike partner rarely in the same postcode). However I have nagging fear he has not actually been bought for his athleticism but as an 'outlet', in which case we either have to quickly acknowledge the mistake, or hopefully more optimistically provide him with a partner he can actually play off. I think the answer to the last paragraph is the in the latter IMO……I am not sure how much longer the TC centre forward experiment is going to last… We have currently a proven experienced championship striker kicking his heels on the bench….. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 3, 2024 21:23:34 GMT
Some people haven't got the balls to criticise other players who have been equally inneffective just because they are youngsters so what do they do, pick on a 23-year old just because in their heads it's his fault that he replaced Alfie May. Try turning your frustrations on the real problem here, the owners who have not given NJ enough money. When you look at the buzz currently being created by the owners of Birmingham and Wrexham and compare it to us I must admit to a bit of jealousy Both clubs have heavily invested in their squads and obviously paid the going rate to get the players in that they feel they need to get them promoted, both clubs have full grounds at every home game…… When you look at the transfer activity around deadline day, Wrexham paid 500k for a new forward, Birmingham brought in Stansfield for silly money, Barnsley brought in Keillor-Dunne, Bolton brought in Macatee…….We brought in a five a side pitch in the car park for the kids to have a kick around…..Nothing wrong with making the match day experience better but unless we get that buzz as a club it will be the kids of the 9000 or so die hards who will attend come what may when we really as a club want to be filling the Valley by bringing in marquee players to give us a top 6 squad which at present I don’t think we are At present I think we are very much WIP…..Jones goes on about us having a better squad than before at the end of the window but let’s be honest we were so poor that being better was not too hard to achieve…..Yes we are better and stronger than last season but top 6 I really don’t think so……hopefully I have got it all wrong |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 3, 2024 22:27:09 GMT
I think the owners are trying to create a club they can sell in 12 months time if things don't go according to plan.
To help them do so they are touching it up a bit here and there to make it a more attractive proposition for someone.
When that day comes to sell the players will just be like cheap furniture thrown in and included in the price.
They aren't buying young, hungry, talented players for somebody to come along and make a profit from after they have gone. Instead we are playing our own despite them not being good enough so they are 'on show' with the aim of striking big and getting some of their money back further down the line.
This is just my opinion.
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 4, 2024 4:55:12 GMT
I think the owners are trying to create a club they can sell in 12 months time if things don't go according to plan. To help them do so they are touching it up a bit here and there to make it a more attractive proposition for someone. When that day comes to sell the players will just be like cheap furniture thrown in and included in the price. They aren't buying young, hungry, talented players for somebody to come along and make a profit from after they have gone. Instead we are playing our own despite them not being good enough so they are 'on show' with the aim of striking big and getting some of their money back further down the line. This is just my opinion. Can't see another owner coming along in a years time saying he is £30m or more for the club only. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 4, 2024 7:55:03 GMT
I think the owners are trying to create a club they can sell in 12 months time if things don't go according to plan. To help them do so they are touching it up a bit here and there to make it a more attractive proposition for someone. When that day comes to sell the players will just be like cheap furniture thrown in and included in the price. They aren't buying young, hungry, talented players for somebody to come along and make a profit from after they have gone. Instead we are playing our own despite them not being good enough so they are 'on show' with the aim of striking big and getting some of their money back further down the line. This is just my opinion. Whilst they will be looking to sell at some point, I don't think it's in their plans any time soon. I think our recruitment strategy was to look at experienced players / leaders as we have plenty of youth already. The talent of this youth is up for debate, but we have plenty of young players. Recruiting more young players would've made us a very youthful and inexperienced team imo. |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 4, 2024 8:17:09 GMT
If the investors sell the club while we’re still playing in League One they’ll make a very significant loss. Charlie Methven would also make a very significant personal loss given the size of his own shareholding. Since a sale wouldn’t be driven by cash flow considerations (that’s one of the benefits of the consortium) it follows the investors would only look to sell if they’ve concluded the investment case no longer makes sense to them. I’d be very surprised by that and, in addition, Methven will be desperate to persuade them the club has significant potential and remains a highly attractive investment.
PS We’ve been here before. The issue is execution. That’s what the club needs to get right and the investors need to ensure they have the right management team in place to deliver.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 4, 2024 9:44:44 GMT
Some people haven't got the balls to criticise other players who have been equally inneffective just because they are youngsters so what do they do, pick on a 23-year old just because in their heads it's his fault that he replaced Alfie May. Try turning your frustrations on the real problem here, the owners who have not given NJ enough money. When you look at the buzz currently being created by the owners of Birmingham and Wrexham and compare it to us I must admit to a bit of jealousy Both clubs have heavily invested in their squads and obviously paid the going rate to get the players in that they feel they need to get them promoted, both clubs have full grounds at every home game…… When you look at the transfer activity around deadline day, Wrexham paid 500k for a new forward, Birmingham brought in Stansfield for silly money, Barnsley brought in Keillor-Dunne, Bolton brought in Macatee…….We brought in a five a side pitch in the car park for the kids to have a kick around…..Nothing wrong with making the match day experience better but unless we get that buzz as a club it will be the kids of the 9000 or so die hards who will attend come what may when we really as a club want to be filling the Valley by bringing in marquee players to give us a top 6 squad which at present I don’t think we are At present I think we are very much WIP…..Jones goes on about us having a better squad than before at the end of the window but let’s be honest we were so poor that being better was not too hard to achieve…..Yes we are better and stronger than last season but top 6 I really don’t think so……hopefully I have got it all wrong I'm not sure one can or should take deadline day in isolation for we recruited around seven players before that this summer, most of whom appear on a matchday. Once again, four games is a tad early to judge a player or the squad, but we shouldn't ignore the fact that we're sixth. And that two xG sites plus the bookies forecast us to finish in the top six. That's a massive improvement on recent seasons which most of us would have taken back in July. No, let's take a look after Saturday (a six pointer) and after ten games played. The fact that Birmingham have spent big shouldn't really affect our assessment of progress at CAFC. We might also look at our attendances once it becomes clear whether we're truly competitive. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 4, 2024 10:38:35 GMT
When you look at the buzz currently being created by the owners of Birmingham and Wrexham and compare it to us I must admit to a bit of jealousy Both clubs have heavily invested in their squads and obviously paid the going rate to get the players in that they feel they need to get them promoted, both clubs have full grounds at every home game…… When you look at the transfer activity around deadline day, Wrexham paid 500k for a new forward, Birmingham brought in Stansfield for silly money, Barnsley brought in Keillor-Dunne, Bolton brought in Macatee…….We brought in a five a side pitch in the car park for the kids to have a kick around…..Nothing wrong with making the match day experience better but unless we get that buzz as a club it will be the kids of the 9000 or so die hards who will attend come what may when we really as a club want to be filling the Valley by bringing in marquee players to give us a top 6 squad which at present I don’t think we are At present I think we are very much WIP…..Jones goes on about us having a better squad than before at the end of the window but let’s be honest we were so poor that being better was not too hard to achieve…..Yes we are better and stronger than last season but top 6 I really don’t think so……hopefully I have got it all wrong I'm not sure one can or should take deadline day in isolation for we recruited around seven players before that this summer, most of whom appear on a matchday. Once again, four games is a tad early to judge a player or the squad, but we shouldn't ignore the fact that we're sixth. And that two xG sites plus the bookies forecast us to finish in the top six. That's a massive improvement on recent seasons which most of us would have taken back in July. No, let's take a look after Saturday (a six pointer) and after ten games played. The fact that Birmingham have spent big shouldn't really affect our assessment of progress at CAFC. We might also look at our attendances once it becomes clear whether we're truly competitive. Absolutely no problem with the first seven signings which came in……My alarm bells started go off when we were told we had to offload players then to bring more players in, even though we had already offloaded around 10 player wages plus including loans….. This situation was hardly going to create the same buzz that Birmingham and Wrexham fans had……and hardly going to get fans who were a little on the fence rushing out to get their season ticket which surely is what the club wants……. Lets not forget we are only a few injuries away from having AMB back in goal, Watson playing as a wingback, Anderson and Edun running around in the midfield and REG who has played very little football in our back three…..that hardly looks like top 6 material to me…. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 4, 2024 10:48:41 GMT
If the investors sell the club while we’re still playing in League One they’ll make a very significant loss. Charlie Methven would also make a very significant personal loss given the size of his own shareholding. Since a sale wouldn’t be driven by cash flow considerations (that’s one of the benefits of the consortium) it follows the investors would only look to sell if they’ve concluded the investment case no longer makes sense to them. I’d be very surprised by that and, in addition, Methven will be desperate to persuade them the club has significant potential and remains a highly attractive investment. PS We’ve been here before. The issue is execution. That’s what the club needs to get right and the investors need to ensure they have the right management team in place to deliver. This is the bit that I am just not getting? The owners will only make money if they invest in a side to go up through the leagues just like Birmingham and Wrexham are doing or have done……. Have the investors been told that the current budget is sufficient to get us promoted? Or is it case that the budget is the budget regardless….. NJ spoke about asking the owners for more money to get more players in…….nothing has materialised as yet……No new out of contract keeper, no Potts or even Hylton who I imagine would be really cheap…….so what does that tell you? Whilst we sit in league one with the usual 9000 die hards attending there is only more money to be lost, the buzz will not be there until the club creates the buzz…… |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 4, 2024 10:49:50 GMT
I think the owners are trying to create a club they can sell in 12 months time if things don't go according to plan. To help them do so they are touching it up a bit here and there to make it a more attractive proposition for someone. When that day comes to sell the players will just be like cheap furniture thrown in and included in the price. They aren't buying young, hungry, talented players for somebody to come along and make a profit from after they have gone. Instead we are playing our own despite them not being good enough so they are 'on show' with the aim of striking big and getting some of their money back further down the line. This is just my opinion. Whilst they will be looking to sell at some point, I don't think it's in their plans any time soon. I think our recruitment strategy was to look at experienced players / leaders as we have plenty of youth already. The talent of this youth is up for debate, but we have plenty of young players. Recruiting more young players would've made us a very youthful and inexperienced team imo. No problem signing or playing young players as long as they are good enough…..Rak Saki being the proven point…… |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 4, 2024 11:49:25 GMT
If the investors sell the club while we’re still playing in League One they’ll make a very significant loss. Charlie Methven would also make a very significant personal loss given the size of his own shareholding. Since a sale wouldn’t be driven by cash flow considerations (that’s one of the benefits of the consortium) it follows the investors would only look to sell if they’ve concluded the investment case no longer makes sense to them. I’d be very surprised by that and, in addition, Methven will be desperate to persuade them the club has significant potential and remains a highly attractive investment. PS We’ve been here before. The issue is execution. That’s what the club needs to get right and the investors need to ensure they have the right management team in place to deliver. This is the bit that I am just not getting? The owners will only make money if they invest in a side to go up through the leagues just like Birmingham and Wrexham are doing or have done……. Have the investors been told that the current budget is sufficient to get us promoted? Or is it case that the budget is the budget regardless….. NJ spoke about asking the owners for more money to get more players in…….nothing has materialised as yet……No new out of contract keeper, no Potts or even Hylton who I imagine would be really cheap…….so what does that tell you? Whilst we sit in league one with the usual 9000 die hards attending there is only more money to be lost, the buzz will not be there until the club creates the buzz…… I’m sure the investors have been told that we have a top six wage budget (Methven said top four recently) and that this means we should have a decent chance of finishing in the top six and hence a chance of promotion. The key word here is “chance”. There is no certainty. There is obviously a question of how much more money they’d need spend to significantly increase those chances, but however much they spend there can be no certainty. Rightly or wrongly, they’ve set the budget where they feel the balance of cost v competitiveness is about right and appear to believe that if they spend consistently at this level, and execute well, promotion will eventually be achieved. For perspective, if you look back over the last ten years or so, there haven’t been many clubs in League One who’ve spent as much as we’re doing this season whether you measure that by wage bill, operating losses or owner funding. Birmingham and Ipswich are very much outliers. In the season they were promoted the owners of Ipswich provided £30m of funding. That was in addition to what they paid for the club and the significant funding they provided the previous season. Even then they could easily have found themselves in the playoffs. They made a very big bet which turned out very well for them. There was no certainty it would though and it seems our owners are not willing to do something similar. Again, rightly or wrongly. Birmingham will probably spend more. Wrexham is a different case because their owners are generating enormous football related revenues, even if they don’t all accrue directly to the club. In some ways Wrexham are evidence of a bigger problem than Birmingham or Ipswich though. American ownership in particular is increasing the professionalism in the EFL, raising the bar for success. League One is a much tougher gig than it was ten years ago. We need to execute well and right now that appears to be the challenge not money per se. |
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Post by siamred on Sept 4, 2024 12:20:17 GMT
Rome wasn't built in a day just comes to mind when reading this thread. I work with children who have more patience than modern football fans. Is everything perfect? No. Could it all go tits up? Maybe. Let's see how it goes after more games. Digging out players after a few games is honestly pathetic. Maybe when we've lost a few on the bounce them those shiny pitchforks might be worth dusting off for those in charge.
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Post by df3 on Sept 4, 2024 12:34:57 GMT
Ahadme hasnt got going yet, but were only 4 games in, Im fairly certain it took Alfie a few games to get going too, Its way to early to close the door, I think hes been better than TC, who I do not personally rate, all the pace in the world is fine but his production is woeful.
Hopefully Gas can get going, maybe NJ will tinkle with a few things and he gets comfy and performs.
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