Far too easy to play against

[reamsofverse]

Our set up creates far too much space for our opponents to play around us.

We can talk all day long about Alfie but the fact is no striker is going to score goals given the lack of chances that we create for ourselves.

I honestly cannot believe what we have lest ourselves with between now and January.

Never has this club needed a CAM more than it does this season and it's both naive careless that we haven't got one.

[scabbyhorse]

Agreed, unbelievable own goal by the owners.

[valleydobson1]

Any free transfer CAM out there?

[995632]

Aug 31, 2024 16:17:42 GMT valleydobson1 said:

Any free transfer CAM out there?

Heard there was this Scottish bloke available on a free... Apparently was one of the best CAM in the league a couple of seasons ago, but lost his way/got lazy after getting a second fat contract...

[addicksi]

It's all about opinions I guess and these are mine: TC isn't a striker and is trying to learn on the job, Gas is battling with no service and someone along side him who doesn't understand the role. Godden isn't starting so is he struggling with that injury or have his legs gone, he never had any pace anyway. Chucks has lost some of his effectiveness although remaining uninjured to date and Kanu needs a league 2 loan. We are lacking a Cam or much creativity at all and appear to be banking on the returning Miles to bail us out.

[herewegoagain]

The club/owners have let the fans and NJ down over the remaining weeks of the transfer window. There was ample time to build on the positives we had made by shifting the deadwood, we could have more heavily subsidised wages for loan moves (surely that’s cheaper than paying a player off?!), used out of favour players as part of transfer deals (eg players plus cash where possible) or lowered our valuations if we were really desperate to get rid of certain players (again better than paying off surely?) but seemingly we were totally hopeless and clueless on what to do.

All it says to me is we yet again have owners that want to do it all on the cheap.

[eric]

Absolutely fuming after watching that shite .
An insult to every fan who spent money for utter garbage . Can’t believe some fans stayed and clapped those wasters at the end .
Small just isn’t trying , Ahadme looks a real donkey , none of the subs looked up for it . A thoroughly shit day .

[herewegoagain]

Aug 31, 2024 17:29:04 GMT eric said:

Absolutely fuming after watching that shite .
An insult to every fan who spent money for utter garbage . Can’t believe some fans stayed and clapped those wasters at the end .
Small just isn’t trying , Ahadme looks a real donkey , none of the subs looked up for it . A thoroughly shit day .

We have some very strange fans that will clap anything a Charlton player does, good or bad.  They’d probably clap if a player shit in their face tbh!

[weststandfruitloop]

The problem for me (from the sound of things) is there's no Plan B.

If the 3-5-2 high press tactic doesn't work (whether we can't capitalise on it or worse still opponents can bypass our central midfield and/or exploit opportunities where our wingbacks are out of position etc) we seemingly have nothing.

All we can do is bring on other players to fit the exact same tactic/structure.

You have to have a Plan B in everything (sport, work, life) particularly if your Plan A is so rigid and so bought into (via recruitment etc) as that of Nathan Jones.

Not least because once somebody (eg Reading today) have shown up the falabillities of your Plan A, every other future opponent will watch the tape of that game and do (in various different ways) likewise.

Why have we spent the entire transfer window moaning about Birmingham's billionaire American owners utilising the lack of FFP in League One to buy up exciting creative players to pretty much guarantee promotion, instead of moaning about our own billionaire American owners spending little more than the fluff they found in their butt crevices to condemn us to another eternity in League One?

F*** Methven and his army of tightarse billionaires - does that Sheffield United guy still want to buy us?

[clarky]

Whether NJ likes playing a CAM or not having one on the bench provides an alternative when the favoured system isn't working.
We had Anderson and Campbell on the bench on Saturday which is no different from Docherty's, Coventry's or Berry's style of play. Add to that Taylor who can't even get in the match day squad then there isn't anybody who can change a game.

[bexleyboy]

Again .. it’s an easy excuse when your looking for something to moan about fact is we created 5 good opportunities on Saturday for an away team that pretty good … … more chances then we created at home to Bolton .

[bexleyboy]

Aug 31, 2024 20:46:25 GMT weststandfruitloop said:

The problem for me (from the sound of things) is there's no Plan B.

If the 3-5-2 high press tactic doesn't work (whether we can't capitalise on it or worse still opponents can bypass our central midfield and/or exploit opportunities where our wingbacks are out of position etc) we seemingly have nothing.

All we can do is bring on other players to fit the exact same tactic/structure.

You have to have a Plan B in everything (sport, work, life) particularly if your Plan A is so rigid and so bought into (via recruitment etc) as that of Nathan Jones.

Not least because once somebody (eg Reading today) have shown up the falabillities of your Plan A, every other future opponent will watch the tape of that game and do (in various different ways) likewise.

Why have we spent the entire transfer window moaning about Birmingham's billionaire American owners utilising the lack of FFP in League One to buy up exciting creative players to pretty much guarantee promotion, instead of moaning about our own billionaire American owners spending little more than the fluff they found in their butt crevices to condemn us to another eternity in League One?

F*** Methven and his army of tightarse billionaires - does that Sheffield United guy still want to buy us?

Really … have a look around the club see how much they have invested both on and off the pitch .. one thing they not been is tight but people are very blinkered and only see what on the pitch but fact is if the structure from the ground upwards is not solid don’t matter who you have on the pitch …. success takes time as jones has said it’s a 4 year plan

[clarky]

Sept 3, 2024 13:16:38 GMT bexleyboy said:

Aug 31, 2024 20:46:25 GMT weststandfruitloop said:

The problem for me (from the sound of things) is there's no Plan B.

If the 3-5-2 high press tactic doesn't work (whether we can't capitalise on it or worse still opponents can bypass our central midfield and/or exploit opportunities where our wingbacks are out of position etc) we seemingly have nothing.

All we can do is bring on other players to fit the exact same tactic/structure.

You have to have a Plan B in everything (sport, work, life) particularly if your Plan A is so rigid and so bought into (via recruitment etc) as that of Nathan Jones.

Not least because once somebody (eg Reading today) have shown up the falabillities of your Plan A, every other future opponent will watch the tape of that game and do (in various different ways) likewise.

Why have we spent the entire transfer window moaning about Birmingham's billionaire American owners utilising the lack of FFP in League One to buy up exciting creative players to pretty much guarantee promotion, instead of moaning about our own billionaire American owners spending little more than the fluff they found in their butt crevices to condemn us to another eternity in League One?

F*** Methven and his army of tightarse billionaires - does that Sheffield United guy still want to buy us?

Really … have a look around the club see how much they have invested both on and off the pitch .. one thing they not been is tight but people are very blinkered and only see what on the pitch but fact is if the structure from the ground upwards is not solid don’t matter who you have on the pitch …. success takes time as jones has said it’s a 4 year plan

The amount spent, split between 3 billionaires may not be tight but it is an absolute pittance of their joint wealth.
Investing more on the pitch, and they haven't spent much above the outgoing transfers on incoming transfers, would put us in a better position in gaining a top six place thus increasing crowds and incoming revenue which will reduce the operation costs which Methven is extremely keen to do.
Whilst the team isnt too far offf the squad very much is and we are a couple of injuries away from really struggling particularly when playing a high press game with two fixtures a week.

[weststandfruitloop]

bexleyboy said:

Really … have a look around the club see how much they have invested both on and off the pitch .. one thing they not been is tight but people are very blinkered and only see what on the pitch but fact is if the structure from the ground upwards is not solid don’t matter who you have on the pitch …. success takes time as jones has said it’s a 4 year plan

Everything the owners are spending is with the aim of making even more money back. Here are just two examples.

THE NEW PITCH: This cost about £1m but the Premier League Stadium Fund paid £750k of that (on the proviso our women's team play there for the next ten years). The owners paid circa £250k but a standard summer pitch relay costs £60k-£70k anyway so the extra was more like £180k. As a result of the new pitch, the club are looking to rent out The Valley to rugby side Wasps from next season (for a hefty annual fee) so the owners will end up MAKING money from it.

DOCTOR WILL ABBOTT: The guy improving our players' recovery from injury won't have come cheap, but many many times cheaper than the wages we've had to pay crocked players in recent years. His job is also about maintaining and restoring our most saleable assets. If Leaburn (notably Doctor Will's key focus since he arrived) returns from injury back to his best, that's a future £4m-£5m transfer fee Doctor Will has helped guarantee.

You're genuinely naive if you think the owners aren't deliberately spending on things they think will earn them many times more in return. They're American. That's what Americans (and all successful capitalists tbh) do.

[kings hill addick]

Sept 5, 2024 16:15:39 GMT weststandfruitloop said:

bexleyboy said:

Really … have a look around the club see how much they have invested both on and off the pitch .. one thing they not been is tight but people are very blinkered and only see what on the pitch but fact is if the structure from the ground upwards is not solid don’t matter who you have on the pitch …. success takes time as jones has said it’s a 4 year plan

Everything the owners are spending is with the aim of making even more money back. Here are just two examples.

THE NEW PITCH: This cost about £1m but the Premier League Stadium Fund paid £750k of that (on the proviso our women's team play there for the next ten years). The owners paid circa £250k but a standard summer pitch relay costs £60k-£70k anyway so the extra was more like £180k. As a result of the new pitch, the club are looking to rent out The Valley to rugby side Wasps from next season (for a hefty annual fee) so the owners will end up MAKING money from it.

DOCTOR WILL ABBOTT: The guy improving our players' recovery from injury won't have come cheap, but many many times cheaper than the wages we've had to pay crocked players in recent years. His job is also about maintaining and restoring our most saleable assets. If Leaburn (notably Doctor Will's key focus since he arrived) returns from injury back to his best, that's a future £4m-£5m transfer fee Doctor Will has helped guarantee.

You're genuinely naive if you think the owners aren't deliberately spending on things they think will earn them many times more in return. They're American. That's what Americans (and all successful capitalists tbh) do.

I'm not saying you're wrong but we do have a better pitch for our players to play on.

Also, I, for one, am looking forward to having Leaburn back playing for us.

Just because it makes them money doesn't, actually, make it worse for us fans. 

If the main goal is to get us promoted so that they can sell the club for more money then I'm all for that too.

[seriouslyred]

Sept 5, 2024 16:21:26 GMT kings hill addick said:

Sept 5, 2024 16:15:39 GMT weststandfruitloop said:

Everything the owners are spending is with the aim of making even more money back. Here are just two examples.

THE NEW PITCH: This cost about £1m but the Premier League Stadium Fund paid £750k of that (on the proviso our women's team play there for the next ten years). The owners paid circa £250k but a standard summer pitch relay costs £60k-£70k anyway so the extra was more like £180k. As a result of the new pitch, the club are looking to rent out The Valley to rugby side Wasps from next season (for a hefty annual fee) so the owners will end up MAKING money from it.

DOCTOR WILL ABBOTT: The guy improving our players' recovery from injury won't have come cheap, but many many times cheaper than the wages we've had to pay crocked players in recent years. His job is also about maintaining and restoring our most saleable assets. If Leaburn (notably Doctor Will's key focus since he arrived) returns from injury back to his best, that's a future £4m-£5m transfer fee Doctor Will has helped guarantee.

You're genuinely naive if you think the owners aren't deliberately spending on things they think will earn them many times more in return. They're American. That's what Americans (and all successful capitalists tbh) do.

I'm not saying you're wrong but we do have a better pitch for our players to play on.

Also, I, for one, am looking forward to having Leaburn back playing for us.

Just because it makes them money doesn't, actually, make it worse for us fans. 

If the main goal is to get us promoted so that they can sell the club for more money then I'm all for that too.

That's where fans and owners always hold common interests. Improve performances, secure promotion over a period of time, AND improve revenue streams / keep a lid on losses.

It maybe that Miles is in the shop window once he returns?! Should we sulk, or urge the club to climb as high as we can so as to secure promotion and be in a position to retain talent?