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Post by seriouslyred on May 9, 2024 11:52:22 GMT
Greetings fellow fans
After nine months of GFP/SE7 and three months of Nathan Jones, CAFC has a different feel
The point of this survey is that every member vote is equal. It won't be statistically accurate but will give a flavour of renewals and lapsed ST holders returning.
I won't make the link between ST sales and budgets for two reasons: the owners can "donate" equity so as to comply with SCMP AND fans will return when they're ready / when performances and results improve.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 9, 2024 12:45:28 GMT
I voted 'might renew is the squad is strengthened', however, there is no might about it - I will renew if I think that the squad is capable of challenging at the top of the table. I just don't want to end up with a season ticket with the season over by the end of February, again.
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Post by Mundell on May 9, 2024 15:21:21 GMT
Hmmmm. There might be some sample bias in this poll so far!!
PS I’ve renewed.
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Post by seriouslyred on May 10, 2024 15:58:59 GMT
20 votes is a good start. Will leave up longer as we usually get 30+.
What's clear is that we have three clear tranches:
- those purchased already with early bird discount
- fans who only go a few times
- fans awaiting the outcome of the transfer window
Perhaps the club will announce numbers at some point or maybe we just have to wait for our first home game?
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Post by valley on May 11, 2024 12:41:11 GMT
Sold more then this time last year?.
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Post by reamsofverse on May 11, 2024 13:51:34 GMT
Sold more then this time last year?. Why answer a question with a question? |
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Post by seriouslyred on May 11, 2024 15:18:46 GMT
Sold more then this time last year?. Until the club announce numbers that's hard to tell. Some have been known to count available seats before games so as to estimate the crowd. |
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Post by valley on May 11, 2024 15:41:13 GMT
Sold more then this time last year?. Until the club announce numbers that's hard to tell. Some have been known to count available seats before games so as to estimate the crowd. OK. |
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Post by seriouslyred on May 15, 2024 9:57:54 GMT
Nigh on 40 replies with 75% renewed, 10% considering and another 10% saying not for them.
Let's see what the numbers look like end August.
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 5, 2024 19:51:17 GMT
Anyone who was on the fence waiting for signings now renewing I wonder..
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 10, 2024 13:04:07 GMT
Hopefully we can increase this some more! Not bad numbers considering how our last season ended. Plus there is/was a lack of belief in the new owners from a lot of fans (prior to this transfer window) due to our recent history.
Hopefully more of us are now seeing the positive direction of travel we appear to be going in!
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Post by dickybaby on Jul 10, 2024 13:23:08 GMT
I support my team through thick and thin. Dont get the idea of not renewing because the team arent good enough. Only reason i might not is if the owners are dodgy or i cant afford it. Neither is true and I'm not entitled so have renewed
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Post by seriouslyred on Jul 11, 2024 13:16:23 GMT
Ideally another 1,000-1,500 sign up by the time the window closes. Some might be convinced by the look of the squad. Others might watch a couple of games and decide to jump on board.
Once again, we need more fans to return to build the atmosphere as well as building the revenues. 60% of every ST sales (50% of the gross) goes towards the SCMP limits for the 16-18 players who are 21 and over.
Obviously we want the football management to make less mistakes / spend the budgets wisely. They've signed c.10 players on long term perm deals. So we'll definitely require more revenue for the 2025 windows or there will be a squeeze on acquisition of more talent.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 11, 2024 17:18:06 GMT
I support my team through thick and thin. Dont get the idea of not renewing because the team arent good enough. Only reason i might not is if the owners are dodgy or i cant afford it. Neither is true and I'm not entitled so have renewed Not everyone that chooses not to buy a season ticket is entitled! Just like not everyone that suggests it is an arse! |
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Post by dickybaby on Jul 11, 2024 19:11:52 GMT
I support my team through thick and thin. Dont get the idea of not renewing because the team arent good enough. Only reason i might not is if the owners are dodgy or i cant afford it. Neither is true and I'm not entitled so have renewed Not everyone that chooses not to buy a season ticket is entitled! Just like not everyone that suggests it is an arse! Some are still unable to make the connection between season ticket sales and having a squad able to compete at the upper end of the table |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 11, 2024 19:51:58 GMT
Not everyone that chooses not to buy a season ticket is entitled! Just like not everyone that suggests it is an arse! Some are still unable to make the connection between season ticket sales and having a squad able to compete at the upper end of the table I’m not sure that there are many that don’t make the connection. However, some fans may not attend enough games to make it worth paying for a whole season, so will save themselves some money by buying tickets, just for the matches they are going to go to. I don’t see why anyone should be expected to pay for matches they are not going to attend. Incidentally, all incomes counts, so the cost of a match ticket still gets added to the SCMP. People have lots of reasons for not attending all the games. Some are going to watch some on the tele - something that the clubs chose for extra revenue, some are going to be away (out of the country) for many games and some just feel that if the performances and/or results are not compelling enough to drag themselves to the game they would rather not have, already, paid for it. This is before the consideration of when games will be played and when fans will not be able to attend. I’m thinking, mainly, about early and late kick offs, including midweek games, that might affect family commitments - not everyone will want to insist that their family all fit their lives around football fixtures and Sky TV. Many people will have jobs that do not allow for attending most home games. To label all of these people entitled just seems a little unfair to me. In fact it could be argued that those demanding that their fellow fans pay for many games they won’t go to just to boost the clubs coffers is a little entitled. Just my opinion, obviously. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 11, 2024 19:59:03 GMT
Also the SCMP allows for capital injections from the owners so, at the risk of sounding entitled, the club can spend whatever it wants to as long as the owners put the money in.
For example, and I am being ridiculous to make a point, if the owners put £1bn into the club they could spend £600m this season.
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Post by valley on Jul 11, 2024 20:06:47 GMT
Ideally another 1,000-1,500 sign up by the time the window closes. Some might be convinced by the look of the squad. Others might watch a couple of games and decide to jump on board. Once again, we need more fans to return to build the atmosphere as well as building the revenues. 60% of every ST sales (50% of the gross) goes towards the SCMP limits for the 16-18 players who are 21 and over. Obviously we want the football management to make less mistakes / spend the budgets wisely. They've signed c.10 players on long term perm deals. So we'll definitely require more revenue for the 2025 windows or there will be a squeeze on acquisition of more talent. Have we got the fan base for another 1,500 more with cost of living and 12.30 kick offs don't help as people got jobs and taking kids out etc. |
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Post by dickybaby on Jul 12, 2024 5:43:32 GMT
Some are still unable to make the connection between season ticket sales and having a squad able to compete at the upper end of the table I’m not sure that there are many that don’t make the connection. However, some fans may not attend enough games to make it worth paying for a whole season, so will save themselves some money by buying tickets, just for the matches they are going to go to. I don’t see why anyone should be expected to pay for matches they are not going to attend. Incidentally, all incomes counts, so the cost of a match ticket still gets added to the SCMP. People have lots of reasons for not attending all the games. Some are going to watch some on the tele - something that the clubs chose for extra revenue, some are going to be away (out of the country) for many games and some just feel that if the performances and/or results are not compelling enough to drag themselves to the game they would rather not have, already, paid for it. This is before the consideration of when games will be played and when fans will not be able to attend. I’m thinking, mainly, about early and late kick offs, including midweek games, that might affect family commitments - not everyone will want to insist that their family all fit their lives around football fixtures and Sky TV. Many people will have jobs that do not allow for attending most home games. To label all of these people entitled just seems a little unfair to me. In fact it could be argued that those demanding that their fellow fans pay for many games they won’t go to just to boost the clubs coffers is a little entitled. Just my opinion, obviously. Same for every club |
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Post by dickybaby on Jul 12, 2024 7:01:06 GMT
Also the SCMP allows for capital injections from the owners so, at the risk of sounding entitled, the club can spend whatever it wants to as long as the owners put the money in. For example, and I am being ridiculous to make a point, if the owners put £1bn into the club they could spend £600m this season. Or you could support Man City  Not having enough money, busy with work, family etc are of course valid reasons for not buying a season ticket but not buying one because we wont win is an argument I struggle with. But hey its your money so do what you want with it (just like its the owners money too  |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 12, 2024 9:49:04 GMT
Also the SCMP allows for capital injections from the owners so, at the risk of sounding entitled, the club can spend whatever it wants to as long as the owners put the money in. For example, and I am being ridiculous to make a point, if the owners put £1bn into the club they could spend £600m this season. Or you could support Man City Not having enough money, busy with work, family etc are of course valid reasons for not buying a season ticket but not buying one because we wont win is an argument I struggle with. But hey its your money so do what you want with it (just like its the owners money too I don't think it's, just, about winning. The element that, for me, makes buying a season ticket a decision, opposed to a formality (and I should say that I had a season ticket for 32 years until the pandemic and I have had one since) is that, if results are poor, the season could be over with several games left, again. Add those, dead rubber, games to the the half a dozen that I'll miss due to being away, and midweek games being difficult to get to, and I could end up going to 15 of the 23 games. I'm more than happy to support the club but 15 x £31.50 is £472.50 and my season ticket was £630 - it's now £640. I won't be the only one making a decision like this. I just thought that it was a little flippant of you to label all fans as entitled if they choose not to buy a season ticket. Nowhere as near as flippant as suggesting I go support Man City though. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jul 12, 2024 12:07:42 GMT
Or you could support Man City Not having enough money, busy with work, family etc are of course valid reasons for not buying a season ticket but not buying one because we wont win is an argument I struggle with. But hey its your money so do what you want with it (just like its the owners money too I don't think it's, just, about winning. The element that, for me, makes buying a season ticket a decision, opposed to a formality (and I should say that I had a season ticket for 32 years until the pandemic and I have had one since) is that, if results are poor, the season could be over with several games left, again. Add those, dead rubber, games to the the half a dozen that I'll miss due to being away, and midweek games being difficult to get to, and I could end up going to 15 of the 23 games. I'm more than happy to support the club but 15 x £31.50 is £472.50 and my season ticket was £630 - it's now £640. I won't be the only one making a decision like this. I just thought that it was a little flippant of you to label all fans as entitled if they choose not to buy a season ticket. Nowhere as near as flippant as suggesting I go support Man City though. For sure if we're not competitive in the first ten games, then it's likely that the season will be over by February or March - again! Our pair of tickets come in at around £900 and I know fans who only go occasionally, some with cheaper seats, as well as those who buy hospitality or even sponsor games! Ultimately our club needs to regrow the fanbase, 1,000 fans at a time, just as we did back in the 1990s. It's not about winning every game, but most are reasonable to expect top six performances from a top six wage budget. The failure to deliver top six outcomes since 2018/19 has to be down to the owners. And doing this year after year has been corrosive. Let's see what the gates are after 20 games when we've watched our team, as well as adjusted to these new kick-off times. |
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Post by stu2020 on Jul 18, 2024 20:19:58 GMT
When are the season tix supposed to arrive? I thought I received them earlier last year … can anyone advise?
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Post by valley on Jul 18, 2024 20:28:22 GMT
When are the season tix supposed to arrive? I thought I received them earlier last year … can anyone advise? This month. |
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Post by stu2020 on Jul 20, 2024 17:32:01 GMT
Thanks
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