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Post by yorkshireaddick on May 8, 2024 14:21:04 GMT
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Post by Mundell on May 8, 2024 17:27:15 GMT
I don’t think it’s possible to say this with any certainty. We simply don’t know what the impact will be. It’s a big moment though, that’s for sure. |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on May 8, 2024 19:21:32 GMT
The people who want to go, will go. Regardless of if the game is televised or not. I really don't understand this argument. Every single game we play is already available to watch at home with the right service provider or technical know how.
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Post by valley on May 8, 2024 19:22:45 GMT
The people who want to go, will go. Regardless of if the game is televised or not. I really don't understand this argument. Every single game we play is already available to watch with the right service provider or technical know how. Some work Saturday until say 1pm for example. |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on May 8, 2024 19:29:04 GMT
The people who want to go, will go. Regardless of if the game is televised or not. I really don't understand this argument. Every single game we play is already available to watch with the right service provider or technical know how. Some work Saturday until say 1pm for example. I wasn't aware they were scrapping the 3pm kick off. I guess we will find out the impact on crowds real soon. |
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Post by valley on May 8, 2024 19:40:58 GMT
Some work Saturday until say 1pm for example. I wasn't aware they were scrapping the 3pm kick off. I guess we will find out the impact on crowds real soon. I hope not many are 12.30 kick offs on a Saturday. Say away matches that time. |
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Post by kings hill addick on May 8, 2024 20:16:09 GMT
With all games being available to watch at home for a couple of years I don’t see the new broadcast deal making much difference.
Swapping games from a 3pm Saturday kick-off might make a bit of a difference but I suspect that it’ll only, really, be evening kick-offs that will be affected. Those with children are likely to pass on evening games so, hopefully, Sky won’t move many from 3pm to late kick-offs in a school night.
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Post by Mundell on May 8, 2024 22:02:48 GMT
I wasn't aware they were scrapping the 3pm kick off. I guess we will find out the impact on crowds real soon. I hope not many are 12.30 kick offs on a Saturday. Say away matches that time. This is a very important part of today’s announcements as I saw it, “Each full weekend of EFL fixtures will see 10 live matches shown - including three Championship, two League One and two League Two matches all broadcast live at 12:30pm on Saturdays.” It had previously been announced that of the ten live matches to be shown each weekend, there would be five from the Championship and five from Leagues One and Two combined. We can therefore infer from today’s news that only one live match from either League One or League Two will not be played at 12.30 or 3pm on Saturday. Further, it follows that if our game is chosen as one of the weekend’s live matches it’s most likely that it will be on Saturday at 12.30. From my personal perspective that’s not a bad outcome. |
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Post by kings hill addick on May 9, 2024 8:57:16 GMT
I hope not many are 12.30 kick offs on a Saturday. Say away matches that time. This is a very important part of today’s announcements as I saw it, “Each full weekend of EFL fixtures will see 10 live matches shown - including three Championship, two League One and two League Two matches all broadcast live at 12:30pm on Saturdays.” It had previously been announced that of the ten live matches to be shown each weekend, there would be five from the Championship and five from Leagues One and Two combined. We can therefore infer from today’s news that only one live match from either League One or League Two will not be played at 12.30 or 3pm on Saturday. Further, it follows that if our game is chosen as one of the weekend’s live matches it’s most likely that it will be on Saturday at 12.30. From my personal perspective that’s not a bad outcome. I agree. My preference would be to avoid Friday, Saturday or Sunday evening kick-offs. The 5:30 on a Saturday or the 4:30 on a Sunday would be fine, just not the 8pm slot, for me, personally. However, I imagine that there will be little interest in watching games at this time, especially if there is a Premier League match in at the same slot. My guess is that 12:30 kick-offs are designed for fans of the clubs only. I'm not sure how many neutrals will want to watch Leagues One and Two but showing 20 games a season might be enough to tempt fans of lower league clubs to sign up to Sky whereas they haven't bothered in recent years when they can spend c. £10 to watch their club's own streaming service. I would imagine that the other EFL slots over the weekend will be matches that have more interest to neutrals. I.e. top of the table clashes, local derbies, or Leeds United/Sheffield Wednesday/Wrexham ;-). |
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Post by somerton on May 9, 2024 9:45:16 GMT
12:30pm kick offs not a bad outcome for some home fans who live only a few miles away, and bad for away fans, for example if it is Wigan away.
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Post by Mundell on May 9, 2024 10:13:22 GMT
This is a very important part of today’s announcements as I saw it, “Each full weekend of EFL fixtures will see 10 live matches shown - including three Championship, two League One and two League Two matches all broadcast live at 12:30pm on Saturdays.” It had previously been announced that of the ten live matches to be shown each weekend, there would be five from the Championship and five from Leagues One and Two combined. We can therefore infer from today’s news that only one live match from either League One or League Two will not be played at 12.30 or 3pm on Saturday. Further, it follows that if our game is chosen as one of the weekend’s live matches it’s most likely that it will be on Saturday at 12.30. From my personal perspective that’s not a bad outcome. I agree. My preference would be to avoid Friday, Saturday or Sunday evening kick-offs. The 5:30 on a Saturday or the 4:30 on a Sunday would be fine, just not the 8pm slot, for me, personally. However, I imagine that there will be little interest in watching games at this time, especially if there is a Premier League match in at the same slot. My guess is that 12:30 kick-offs are designed for fans of the clubs only. I'm not sure how many neutrals will want to watch Leagues One and Two but showing 20 games a season might be enough to tempt fans of lower league clubs to sign up to Sky whereas they haven't bothered in recent years when they can spend c. £10 to watch their club's own streaming service. I would imagine that the other EFL slots over the weekend will be matches that have more interest to neutrals. I.e. top of the table clashes, local derbies, or Leeds United/Sheffield Wednesday/Wrexham ;-). On balance, from an entirely selfish point of view, I'm happy about this new deal. It won't stop me going to games, I don't expect to be inconvenienced more than once or twice a season (12.30 KO's might even be a positive for me), I already have a subscription to a package which will include Sky Sports+ and I'll have the option to watch what will probably turn out to be only a small number of matches involving other teams I have an interest in. However, I'm a bit surprised this is happening and it will interesting to see how it works out. The broadcast deal agreed with Sky Sports will run for five years and is made up of guaranteed payments of £895million, plus an extra £40m in marketing benefits. According to The Athletic, an EFL club official, who spoke to them about the deal anonymously, estimated the increase in annual revenues in League One will work out at £450,000 per club and maybe a little over half that in League Two. We're going to get "wall to wall" football and, once everyone gets used to the new landscape, it will be interesting to see how both Sky and the clubs feel its worked. To an extent, of course, what we're seeing is a replacement of iFollow, and hence a demand switch, but there is no doubt that extensive "illegal" streaming of games will continue using that platform. We'll see. |
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Post by leftbehind on May 9, 2024 10:58:02 GMT
Renewed weeks ago
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Post by jonkool on May 9, 2024 12:24:33 GMT
Yep all purchased a week or so ago … more enthusiastic for the coming season after many seasons of dross!
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Post by kings hill addick on May 9, 2024 12:41:39 GMT
I agree. My preference would be to avoid Friday, Saturday or Sunday evening kick-offs. The 5:30 on a Saturday or the 4:30 on a Sunday would be fine, just not the 8pm slot, for me, personally. However, I imagine that there will be little interest in watching games at this time, especially if there is a Premier League match in at the same slot. My guess is that 12:30 kick-offs are designed for fans of the clubs only. I'm not sure how many neutrals will want to watch Leagues One and Two but showing 20 games a season might be enough to tempt fans of lower league clubs to sign up to Sky whereas they haven't bothered in recent years when they can spend c. £10 to watch their club's own streaming service. I would imagine that the other EFL slots over the weekend will be matches that have more interest to neutrals. I.e. top of the table clashes, local derbies, or Leeds United/Sheffield Wednesday/Wrexham ;-). On balance, from an entirely selfish point of view, I'm happy about this new deal. It won't stop me going to games, I don't expect to be inconvenienced more than once or twice a season (12.30 KO's might even be a positive for me), I already have a subscription to a package which will include Sky Sports+ and I'll have the option to watch what will probably turn out to be only a small number of matches involving other teams I have an interest in. However, I'm a bit surprised this is happening and it will interesting to see how it works out. The broadcast deal agreed with Sky Sports will run for five years and is made up of guaranteed payments of £895million, plus an extra £40m in marketing benefits. According to The Athletic, an EFL club official, who spoke to them about the deal anonymously, estimated the increase in annual revenues in League One will work out at £450,000 per club and maybe a little over half that in League Two. We're going to get "wall to wall" football and, once everyone gets used to the new landscape, it will be interesting to see how both Sky and the clubs feel its worked. To an extent, of course, what we're seeing is a replacement of iFollow, and hence a demand switch, but there is no doubt that extensive "illegal" streaming of games will continue using that platform. We'll see. I agree with that. 12:30 kick-offs won't stop me going to home games and, realistically, if I am off to The Valley I won't be watching any of the televised 12:30 games on the same day. I rarely go to away games these days so that won't change much with earlier KOs either. I have, over the last few years, been less committed to evening games. It is a bit of a trek coming up from Maidstone and it tends to be a late night so I often give them a miss. This has only been the case, however, since it has been possible to watch all the games on TV. On the basis that season tickets work out to cost the same as 21 games (assuming no increase in the £30 price for 2024/25) it is likely to encourage some fans to pay as they go if they find that they end up watching more games on Sky. The club might have take that into account with season ticket prices in 2025/26 - assuming that we are not in the Championship by then. However, with the modern ticketing system, this is something that the club should be able to analyse easily and compare live game and previous seasons. I suspect that the biggest factor in live attendance over watching on the tele will be performances and/or results and this is (and has always been) the case. |
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Post by charlton4ever on May 9, 2024 14:15:49 GMT
Renewed
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Post by valley on May 9, 2024 14:42:32 GMT
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Post by Mundell on May 9, 2024 15:35:23 GMT
On balance, from an entirely selfish point of view, I'm happy about this new deal. It won't stop me going to games, I don't expect to be inconvenienced more than once or twice a season (12.30 KO's might even be a positive for me), I already have a subscription to a package which will include Sky Sports+ and I'll have the option to watch what will probably turn out to be only a small number of matches involving other teams I have an interest in. However, I'm a bit surprised this is happening and it will interesting to see how it works out. The broadcast deal agreed with Sky Sports will run for five years and is made up of guaranteed payments of £895million, plus an extra £40m in marketing benefits. According to The Athletic, an EFL club official, who spoke to them about the deal anonymously, estimated the increase in annual revenues in League One will work out at £450,000 per club and maybe a little over half that in League Two. We're going to get "wall to wall" football and, once everyone gets used to the new landscape, it will be interesting to see how both Sky and the clubs feel it’s worked. To an extent, of course, what we're seeing is a replacement of iFollow, and hence a demand switch, but there is no doubt that extensive "illegal" streaming of games will continue using that platform. We'll see. On the basis that season tickets work out to cost the same as 21 games (assuming no increase in the £30 price for 2024/25) it is likely to encourage some fans to pay as they go if they find that they end up watching more games on Sky. The club might have take that into account with season ticket prices in 2025/26 - assuming that we are not in the Championship by then. However, with the modern ticketing system, this is something that the club should be able to analyse easily and compare live game and previous seasons. Interesting comment kings hill addick With lots of available seats in the stadium and a very efficient online ticketing system, operating on a pay as you go basis may prove to be an increasingly straightforward and attractive proposition for some fans. With all midweek games being shown live, as well as all matches during holiday periods, I’m sure many fans will conclude they’re unlikely to reach the break even point in terms of games attended if they do buy a season ticket. It’s not clear what the club can do about this except by increasing attendances, creating scarcity in the stadium and hence by making it much more difficult for fans to pick and choose matches to attend. |
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Post by mrkinski on May 9, 2024 16:41:41 GMT
Renewed a couple of days ago. Even after the nightmare of last season, I miss The Valley and can’t wait to be back watching my beloved Reds.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 9, 2024 16:51:10 GMT
On the basis that season tickets work out to cost the same as 21 games (assuming no increase in the £30 price for 2024/25) it is likely to encourage some fans to pay as they go if they find that they end up watching more games on Sky. The club might have take that into account with season ticket prices in 2025/26 - assuming that we are not in the Championship by then. However, with the modern ticketing system, this is something that the club should be able to analyse easily and compare live game and previous seasons. Interesting comment kings hill addick With lots of available seats in the stadium and a very efficient online ticketing system, operating on a pay as you go basis may prove to be an increasingly straightforward and attractive proposition for some fans. With all midweek games being shown live, as well as all matches during holiday periods, I’m sure many fans will conclude they’re unlikely to reach the break even point in terms of games attended if they do buy a season ticket. It’s not clear what the club can do about this except by increasing attendances, creating scarcity in the stadium and hence by making it much more difficult for fans to pick and choose matches to attend. Indeed. I have a great idea. We should get promoted! I’m sure that will make the fans worry for their favourite seat. Heck, let’s get promoted twice then I’m sure all fans would rush to secure their seat for the whole season. I am joking, of course, but if we start the season well and end up in the top six after ten games I’m sure that most of the fans will want to attend most games. There is, literally, nothing like watching the games live. |
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Post by tonycafc on May 10, 2024 11:30:33 GMT
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Post by manikin on May 10, 2024 11:42:34 GMT
Paid for three 👍👍👍
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 12:23:08 GMT
Interesting comment kings hill addick With lots of available seats in the stadium and a very efficient online ticketing system, operating on a pay as you go basis may prove to be an increasingly straightforward and attractive proposition for some fans. With all midweek games being shown live, as well as all matches during holiday periods, I’m sure many fans will conclude they’re unlikely to reach the break even point in terms of games attended if they do buy a season ticket. It’s not clear what the club can do about this except by increasing attendances, creating scarcity in the stadium and hence by making it much more difficult for fans to pick and choose matches to attend. Indeed. I have a great idea. We should get promoted! I’m sure that will make the fans worry for their favourite seat. Heck, let’s get promoted twice then I’m sure all fans would rush to secure their seat for the whole season. I am joking, of course, but if we start the season well and end up in the top six after ten games I’m sure that most of the fans will want to attend most games. There is, literally, nothing like watching the games live. I agree for some supporters, that winning will encourage them to return. But I have had a Season ticket since we returned to the Valley and I will carry on supporting the Club and buying a Season ticket till I die. What else am I going to do? I don’t criticise fans that don’t go anymore, it is their personal choice. But it has always puzzled me that the people who complain the most about us not getting the best players in are the ones who don’t go anymore. The more people who buy a Season ticket, the more money that comes into the Club the less losses we make. |
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Post by kings hill addick on May 10, 2024 12:42:44 GMT
Indeed. I have a great idea. We should get promoted! I’m sure that will make the fans worry for their favourite seat. Heck, let’s get promoted twice then I’m sure all fans would rush to secure their seat for the whole season. I am joking, of course, but if we start the season well and end up in the top six after ten games I’m sure that most of the fans will want to attend most games. There is, literally, nothing like watching the games live. I agree for some supporters, that winning will encourage them to return. But I have had a Season ticket since we returned to the Valley and I will carry on supporting the Club and buying a Season ticket till I die. What else am I going to do? I don’t criticise fans that don’t go anymore, it is their personal choice. But it has always puzzled me that the people who complain the most about us not getting the best players in are the ones who don’t go anymore. The more people who buy a Season ticket, the more money that comes into the Club the less losses we make. I'm not sure it is about those that don't go anymore it's about those that will choose to pay for a whole season up front. My point was that if the club can generate enough demand people will buy a season ticket to secure their seat. If not they can pay as they go and always get the seat they want. The last four seasons have been, effectively, over with half a dozen home games remaining. Not only do we all have commitments that make us miss a few games a season, but if there is no success on the pitch then fans will be encouraged to pass on a few more games. I will go to most home games next season, but I will miss enough that I will spend less than the cost of a season ticket. So I will spread out a smaller sum of money over the next twelve months, opposed to paying for it all this summer. If I thought that there was a real risk of someone securing my seat for the whole season I would protect it by buying a season ticket. That was what Mundell was talking about and that is what my joke was referring to. Ignoring the change of ownership, having had a season ticket for 32 years, before I stopped buying one when Sandgaard was running the show, I think I have 'supported' the club enough to reserve the right not to pay for games that I'm not going to attend because the season is over before March. |
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Post by petetongthereturn on May 10, 2024 12:58:10 GMT
Renewed only because of Nathan Jones to be honest with you.
With the cost of living not coming down and the season ticket prices increased I just about managed to purchase two season tickets.
If it goes tits up next season I doubt I will renew the following season.
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Post by seriouslyred on May 10, 2024 13:03:22 GMT
I agree for some supporters, that winning will encourage them to return. But I have had a Season ticket since we returned to the Valley and I will carry on supporting the Club and buying a Season ticket till I die. What else am I going to do? I don’t criticise fans that don’t go anymore, it is their personal choice. But it has always puzzled me that the people who complain the most about us not getting the best players in are the ones who don’t go anymore. The more people who buy a Season ticket, the more money that comes into the Club the less losses we make. I'm not sure it is about those that don't go anymore it's about those that will choose to pay for a whole season up front. My point was that if the club can generate enough demand people will buy a season ticket to secure their seat. If not they can pay as they go and always get the seat they want. The last four seasons have been, effectively, over with half a dozen home games remaining. Not only do we all have commitments that make us miss a few games a season, but if there is no success on the pitch then fans will be encouraged to pass on a few more games. I will go to most home games next season, but I will miss enough that I will spend less than the cost of a season ticket. So I will spread out a smaller sum of money over the next twelve months, opposed to paying for it all this summer. If I thought that there was a real risk of someone securing my seat for the whole season I would protect it by buying a season ticket. That was what Mundell was talking about and that is what my joke was referring to. Ignoring the change of ownership, having had a season ticket for 32 years, before I stopped buying one when Sandgaard was running the show, I think I have 'supported' the club enough to reserve the right not to pay for games that I'm not going to attend because the season is over before March. In summary you (and thousands of us) will go to the majority of games, whilst others have either given up or await more certainty. From the club’s perspective they can count on perhaps 2,000 walk up fans per game and have 100% certainty once each ST sales is made. Same with commercial revenues. Therefore I'd recommend any fan buy an ST up front AND commit to food / beverages within the Valley AND look into one off purchase of lounge passes for some special event. If we fans aren't going to do our bit to maximise revenues (and certainty) which defines the player budget available for new signings, then who do we expect to do this on our behalf?! This is the kind of message that some think should come out of CASTRUST. At one point they had 2,500 members many of which would be ST holders and Valley Gold members. Ultimately we have a chicken and egg situation whereby the club need to sign quality players in June which will ideally lead to an uplift in revenues before kick-off. Every fan has there own choices to make. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 14:10:35 GMT
Renewed only because of Nathan Jones to be honest with you. With the cost of living not coming down and the season ticket prices increased I just about managed to purchase two season tickets. If it goes tits up next season I doubt I will renew the following season. Did you do it on terms? |
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Post by kings hill addick on May 10, 2024 14:25:59 GMT
I'm not sure it is about those that don't go anymore it's about those that will choose to pay for a whole season up front. My point was that if the club can generate enough demand people will buy a season ticket to secure their seat. If not they can pay as they go and always get the seat they want. The last four seasons have been, effectively, over with half a dozen home games remaining. Not only do we all have commitments that make us miss a few games a season, but if there is no success on the pitch then fans will be encouraged to pass on a few more games. I will go to most home games next season, but I will miss enough that I will spend less than the cost of a season ticket. So I will spread out a smaller sum of money over the next twelve months, opposed to paying for it all this summer. If I thought that there was a real risk of someone securing my seat for the whole season I would protect it by buying a season ticket. That was what Mundell was talking about and that is what my joke was referring to. Ignoring the change of ownership, having had a season ticket for 32 years, before I stopped buying one when Sandgaard was running the show, I think I have 'supported' the club enough to reserve the right not to pay for games that I'm not going to attend because the season is over before March. In summary you (and thousands of us) will go to the majority of games, whilst others have either given up or await more certainty. From the club’s perspective they can count on perhaps 2,000 walk up fans per game and have 100% certainty once each ST sales is made. Same with commercial revenues. Therefore I'd recommend any fan buy an ST up front AND commit to food / beverages within the Valley AND look into one off purchase of lounge passes for some special event. If we fans aren't going to do our bit to maximise revenues (and certainty) which defines the player budget available for new signings, then who do we expect to do this on our behalf?! This is the kind of message that some think should come out of CASTRUST. At one point they had 2,500 members many of which would be ST holders and Valley Gold members. Ultimately we have a chicken and egg situation whereby the club need to sign quality players in June which will ideally lead to an uplift in revenues before kick-off. Every fan has there own choices to make. To be fair, the 'investors' intend to sell the club for a profit - probably quite a substantial profit. I very much doubt that they will offer to share this profit with the fans that bought season tickets and burgers. At the end of the day there needs to be a relationship between what fans are going to pay and what they are going to get for that money. Crap football, crap signings, crap results and the season being over by March is not going to be worth as much to some as to others. I think it would be difficult to find many football fans that would criticise Charlton supporters for deciding to pick and choose the games they go to after the last three seasons. Remember that a recent study showed that, excluding the lower covered end, our tickets are among the most expensive outside of the Championship. Like you, I am very committed to the club and watching live games, but I recognise that, in the absence of more success on the pitch, we are a dwindling group. It is going to take more than Methven and some fans on message boards to convince people to attend games and/or pay for 23 matches upfront. |
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Post by valley on May 10, 2024 14:31:23 GMT
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Post by petetongthereturn on May 10, 2024 14:52:04 GMT
Renewed only because of Nathan Jones to be honest with you. With the cost of living not coming down and the season ticket prices increased I just about managed to purchase two season tickets. If it goes tits up next season I doubt I will renew the following season. Did you do it on terms? Yep |
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Post by earlpurple on May 13, 2024 12:31:26 GMT
I only go to Tuesday night home games. (I might go to home games if they were a different night, but only midweek, e.g. if they were Wednesday nights).
Last season I attended 5 home games against Bristol Rovers, Cheltenham, Northampton, Lincoln and Wigan of which we won 1, drew 2 and lost 2.
In the last 3 seasons I have really enjoyed just 2 of the games, Ipswich at home in 2021-22 and Plymouth at home in 2022-23. I think a 1-0 win at home against Gillingham is the only other home win I have actually witnessed in the last 3 seasons apart from those two and Cheltenham.
I have watched some games on stream, including Derby away last season (enjoyable) as well as Exeter the previous season when we won 4-2, which I recall was Chol Hamoed Sukkot so it was not easy to attend.
Maybe I should contact Paul Elliott about "diversity" reaching out to Sabbath-observing Jewish fans. Incidentally, the members of my community support quite a varied number of teams, with Watford being a particularly popular choice (they are quite local). There is a notion that Jews support Tottenham, and of course some of them do, but that is very much a sweeping generality and falsehood.
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