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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 31, 2024 10:32:28 GMT
Is anyone concerned by the lack of games we’ve played this preseason? Seems that all the clubs in our league have had loads? Oh, my giddy Aunt! Let's look at this season compared to last, shall we? Last year we played (at least) 3 non league sides. Welling, we lost one of our best players, to a horrible tackle from a triallist, against Dartford a triallist got sent off for throwing a punch at Fraser, and we had a decent run out against Wealdstone. Look at how our season started. Within 6 games our manager had been sacked. This year we have played Dartford, (which is part of our agreement to allow our U21s to play at Princes Park) and all our other games have been against League opposition. In fact, only one has been against lower League opposition (Wimbledon). All the others have been against higher League opposition (Millwall, Palace, and Portsmouth on Saturday). Do you think that NJ has learnt more, or less, from seeing how we can play against teams who we COULD be playing against NEXT season, than a bunch of gung-ho postmen, bakers, candlestick makers etc who are desperately trying to make a name for themselves? Also, what are the chances of picking up injuries, playing MORE games with under cooked players? I'm sure NJ knows more about the capability of his players after the games this season, than he would have playing more games against local semi-pro sides, looking to make a name for themselves! He wasn't asking about the opponents, just the amount of games we've played. How do you get players who are 'under cooked' fit without playing games? |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jul 31, 2024 12:27:04 GMT
Is anyone concerned by the lack of games we’ve played this preseason? Seems that all the clubs in our league have had loads? Oh, my giddy Aunt! Let's look at this season compared to last, shall we? Last year we played (at least) 3 non league sides. Welling, we lost one of our best players, to a horrible tackle from a triallist, against Dartford a triallist got sent off for throwing a punch at Fraser, and we had a decent run out against Wealdstone. Look at how our season started. Within 6 games our manager had been sacked. This year we have played Dartford, (which is part of our agreement to allow our U21s to play at Princes Park) and all our other games have been against League opposition. In fact, only one has been against lower League opposition (Wimbledon). All the others have been against higher League opposition (Millwall, Palace, and Portsmouth on Saturday). Do you think that NJ has learnt more, or less, from seeing how we can play against teams who we COULD be playing against NEXT season, than a bunch of gung-ho postmen, bakers, candlestick makers etc who are desperately trying to make a name for themselves? Also, what are the chances of picking up injuries, playing MORE games with under cooked players? I'm sure NJ knows more about the capability of his players after the games this season, than he would have playing more games against local semi-pro sides, looking to make a name for themselves! Jones and the new Director of Performance have had six months in charge to evaluate both capability and fitness, as well as put in place individual plans / targets. There's plenty of time now to observe the final friendlies / opening games, assess what we have and land the final additions. Many of us had hoped that we would have a first choice keeper by now. As before let's hold back any assessment of players, tactics and preparation until we've seen how we actually play. Unlike previous summers we have enough directors and managers on the ground to land this next transformation phase... pretty soon we'll have played ten games and can consign the last few seasons to the past. Along with new signings we might also look out for news on Miles Leaburn's return - could make a big, big difference? But that doesn't change the requirement to improve our midfield. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 31, 2024 12:45:02 GMT
Oh, my giddy Aunt! Let's look at this season compared to last, shall we? Last year we played (at least) 3 non league sides. Welling, we lost one of our best players, to a horrible tackle from a triallist, against Dartford a triallist got sent off for throwing a punch at Fraser, and we had a decent run out against Wealdstone. Look at how our season started. Within 6 games our manager had been sacked. This year we have played Dartford, (which is part of our agreement to allow our U21s to play at Princes Park) and all our other games have been against League opposition. In fact, only one has been against lower League opposition (Wimbledon). All the others have been against higher League opposition (Millwall, Palace, and Portsmouth on Saturday). Do you think that NJ has learnt more, or less, from seeing how we can play against teams who we COULD be playing against NEXT season, than a bunch of gung-ho postmen, bakers, candlestick makers etc who are desperately trying to make a name for themselves? Also, what are the chances of picking up injuries, playing MORE games with under cooked players? I'm sure NJ knows more about the capability of his players after the games this season, than he would have playing more games against local semi-pro sides, looking to make a name for themselves! Jones and the new Director of Performance have had six months in charge to evaluate both capability and fitness, as well as put in place individual plans / targets. There's plenty of time now to observe the final friendlies / opening games, assess what we have and land the final additions. Many of us had hoped that we would have a first choice keeper by now. As before let's hold back any assessment of players, tactics and preparation until we've seen how we actually play. Unlike previous summers we have enough directors and managers on the ground to land this next transformation phase... pretty soon we'll have played ten games and can consign the last few seasons to the past. Along with new signings we might also look out for news on Miles Leaburn's return - could make a big, big difference? But that doesn't change the requirement to improve our midfield. There seems to be a lot of prioritising the need for a new number one keeper and a new midfielder with goals in him but let’s not lose sight of the fact that we seem incapable of keeping clean sheets…..obviously the keeper will have a big say in this and from what I have seen we have no worries in Mannion deputising before we bring one in but my priority would be to bring in that leader organiser at the back as we still look fragile at the back….Hopefully this will be resolved by Saturday week….. If we continue to ship soft goals in abundance like we did last season, we ain’t going anywhere apart from another season of mid table mediocrity….. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jul 31, 2024 13:08:59 GMT
If Begovic for some reason doesn't come off, we could do worse than look at Coventry's keepers (bearing in mind Scott was scouting at a recent friendly).
They're looking to move on either Ben Wilson or Bradley Collins asap. Both have plenty of Championship experience (100+ games). Collins would be my preference as he's younger (27 vs 31).
Both are only 6ft/6ft1 though and people seem convinced that shortarse NJ only wants longarse players.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 31, 2024 13:22:54 GMT
If Begovic for some reason doesn't come off, we could do worse than look at Coventry's keepers (bearing in mind Scott was scouting at a recent friendly). They're looking to move on either Ben Wilson or Bradley Collins asap. Both have plenty of Championship experience (100+ games). Collins would be my preference as he's younger (27 vs 31). Both are only 6ft/6ft1 though and people seem convinced that shortarse NJ only wants longarse players. With Championship experience and a Championship contract I suspect that neither of these 'Keepers will come cheap. We don't seem interested in spending a lot of money - which is, I assume, why so many of our signings have been out of contract. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Jul 31, 2024 13:28:21 GMT
If Begovic for some reason doesn't come off, we could do worse than look at Coventry's keepers (bearing in mind Scott was scouting at a recent friendly). They're looking to move on either Ben Wilson or Bradley Collins asap. Both have plenty of Championship experience (100+ games). Collins would be my preference as he's younger (27 vs 31). Both are only 6ft/6ft1 though and people seem convinced that shortarse NJ only wants longarse players. With Championship experience and a Championship contract I suspect that neither of these 'Keepers will come cheap. We don't seem interested in spending a lot of money - which is, I assume, why so many of our signings have been out of contract. So why was we looking to spend at least 1 mill on the Villa keeper that chose Celtic for 1.2 mill |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 31, 2024 13:32:57 GMT
If Begovic for some reason doesn't come off, we could do worse than look at Coventry's keepers (bearing in mind Scott was scouting at a recent friendly). They're looking to move on either Ben Wilson or Bradley Collins asap. Both have plenty of Championship experience (100+ games). Collins would be my preference as he's younger (27 vs 31). Both are only 6ft/6ft1 though and people seem convinced that shortarse NJ only wants longarse players. With Championship experience and a Championship contract I suspect that neither of these 'Keepers will come cheap. We don't seem interested in spending a lot of money - which is, I assume, why so many of our signings have been out of contract. I would tend to disagree with this, Adhadme is rumoured to be around a million including all the add ons, Edwards and Mitchell were both brought in on fees, Mitchell Allegedly 200-300k….i think we also paid a fee for Godden as I am sure he was still in contract….although I may be wrong on this For all our stattos on this site it would be very interesting to see which teams have paid the most in actual transfer fees to date this summer…..It wouldn’t surprise me to see us in the top 5…..though quite a long way behind Birmingham no doubt….. I might well be wrong but it seems the very vast majority of league one signings tend to be on frees so it will be interesting to see how many transfers this summer have been completed via a transfer fee |
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Post by tonyshootersbull on Jul 31, 2024 13:32:57 GMT
No they have not played 11 v 11 at sparrows Lane training ground.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 31, 2024 13:35:16 GMT
With Championship experience and a Championship contract I suspect that neither of these 'Keepers will come cheap. We don't seem interested in spending a lot of money - which is, I assume, why so many of our signings have been out of contract. So why was we looking to spend at least 1 mill on the Villa keeper that chose Celtic for 1.2 mill There is no actual evidence of this………just feedback from Reams that he had heard that we were prepared to pay a high fee for him…. |
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Post by dittonaddick on Jul 31, 2024 13:55:37 GMT
I am not sold on Begovic based on the QPR highlights. Have watched all the games back to Jan last season.
Looks slow, stays on his line, the shots he gets to are parried back into danger, doesn't seem to have power to dive/jump as much as you would expect.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Jul 31, 2024 14:02:02 GMT
With Championship experience and a Championship contract I suspect that neither of these 'Keepers will come cheap. We don't seem interested in spending a lot of money - which is, I assume, why so many of our signings have been out of contract. So why was we looking to spend at least 1 mill on the Villa keeper that chose Celtic for 1.2 mill We won't be spending 1.2mill on players this window |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 31, 2024 14:02:18 GMT
With Championship experience and a Championship contract I suspect that neither of these 'Keepers will come cheap. We don't seem interested in spending a lot of money - which is, I assume, why so many of our signings have been out of contract. So why was we looking to spend at least 1 mill on the Villa keeper that chose Celtic for 1.2 mill We were interested but didn't come anywhere near what Celtic offered. I have shared on here information from within that we bid 500k for Nombe, 700k for Collins, decent wedge for JCH and then the latest fantasy was the keeper mentioned above. Until they arrive it's just talking the talk. Love to know how the initial 500k for Nombe increased over three players to 1m for a keeper when the only player we have splashed out on was 75% covered by the fee for Alfie. Talk is cheap. We are nowhere near top 6 unless we bring in the extra bit of quality we are lacking. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jul 31, 2024 14:05:19 GMT
So why was we looking to spend at least 1 mill on the Villa keeper that chose Celtic for 1.2 mill There is no actual evidence of this………just feedback from Reams that he had heard that we were prepared to pay a high fee for him…. It was Kevin Miller (Exeter's goalkeeping coach) who let slip we were in for Sinisalo. Check out from 3'40" of this interview on Exeter City's YouTube page: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO9VBR3aD38"[Sinisalo] could have gone to Charlton, he was sort of waiting and waiting and waiting for the Celtic thing to happen." That's literally it, so it's unclear if we were talking to Villa about a loan or perm move. If the latter it's reasonable to think we must have been in a vaguely similar ballpark to the £1.2m Celtic reportedly paid (although likely nowhere near what they offered in wages) since we'd presumably have agreed a fee before being allowed to talk to the player? That soundbite from Miller is all we have to go on though, so anything beyond that is largely speculation. |
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Post by Bexleyranger on Jul 31, 2024 14:26:43 GMT
I am not sold on Begovic based on the QPR highlights. Have watched all the games back to Jan last season. Looks slow, stays on his line, the shots he gets to are parried back into danger, doesn't seem to have power to dive/jump as much as you would expect. Same. He is an accident waiting to happen for me. And will be one of our highest earners.. |
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Post by 995632 on Jul 31, 2024 14:55:43 GMT
With Championship experience and a Championship contract I suspect that neither of these 'Keepers will come cheap. We don't seem interested in spending a lot of money - which is, I assume, why so many of our signings have been out of contract. So why was we looking to spend at least 1 mill on the Villa keeper that chose Celtic for 1.2 mill Was never confirmed we actually made a bid, it was the fact that we were one of a number if clubs who were interested in him. Would think if we were seriously interested and Celtic weren't involved that the fee would be nowhere near £1.2m. Villa would know for L1 that's a crazy amount for a keeper! |
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Post by DFT on Jul 31, 2024 14:56:46 GMT
So why was we looking to spend at least 1 mill on the Villa keeper that chose Celtic for 1.2 mill We won't be spending 1.2mill on players this window How do you know that? |
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Post by valley on Jul 31, 2024 14:59:26 GMT
Celtic much bigger and more history happy with Begović for one season?.
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Post by cafcginge on Jul 31, 2024 15:27:06 GMT
Does anyone know if we still have the clause with Joe Gomez and if his move could mean anything for us?
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Post by clarky on Jul 31, 2024 15:35:08 GMT
I am not sold on Begovic based on the QPR highlights. Have watched all the games back to Jan last season. Looks slow, stays on his line, the shots he gets to are parried back into danger, doesn't seem to have power to dive/jump as much as you would expect. Same. He is an accident waiting to happen for me. And will be one of our highest earners.. Obviously past his best, on the way down and doesnt come with glowing references from those who saw him most. Problem is our main targets haven't worked out so if he is the next on the list I hate to think what comes after him. Mannion looks ok so wouldn't rush another in and perhaps wait until the end of the window and see what loans are available. |
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Post by 1978sussex on Jul 31, 2024 15:37:22 GMT
Does anyone know if we still have the clause with Joe Gomez and if his move could mean anything for us? Richard cawley has said in past their sell on clause for joe gomoz |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 31, 2024 15:37:27 GMT
Do we even know that there would be a sell on fee due if Liverpool sold Joe Gomez? Gomez had a release clause in his contract at Charlton and that meant he was free to move where and when he wanted, provided only that the club offering him a contract met the terms of the release clause. In his case, that meant a headline transfer fee of just £3.5, despite the fact it was clear he was worth much more. In principle, once the terms of a release clause have been met the selling club has no bargaining power whatsoever, while the buying club has no need or incentive to give the seller any ‘value’ beyond those original terms. Given this, I was a little surprised that when Gomez won an England cap in a competitive international we received a payment. I assume that this must either have been a condition of the release clause or the result of a negotiation with Liverpool when Gomez moved there. Either way, Katrien Meire had clearly done something right and all credit to her too if we receive further payments if Gomez is sold. It's worth up to 6m Chris. No need for a running commentary from Cawley on this one thanks. I posted the above in May 2023 and it came direct from one of the board. Still have the message on my phone. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jul 31, 2024 15:40:59 GMT
Does anyone know if we still have the clause with Joe Gomez and if his move could mean anything for us? It's reportedly either 20% or 25% on anything above what Liverpool paid us (which was an initial 3.5m but up to 6m total with add-ons - surely all those add-ons will have kicked in). So if he goes for £40m-ish as per rumours it will be either £6.8m (20%) or £8.5m (25%) for us based on the above. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 31, 2024 15:55:12 GMT
With Championship experience and a Championship contract I suspect that neither of these 'Keepers will come cheap. We don't seem interested in spending a lot of money - which is, I assume, why so many of our signings have been out of contract. I would tend to disagree with this, Adhadme is rumoured to be around a million including all the add ons, Edwards and Mitchell were both brought in on fees, Mitchell Allegedly 200-300k….i think we also paid a fee for Godden as I am sure he was still in contract….although I may be wrong on this For all our stattos on this site it would be very interesting to see which teams have paid the most in actual transfer fees to date this summer…..It wouldn’t surprise me to see us in the top 5…..though quite a long way behind Birmingham no doubt….. I might well be wrong but it seems the very vast majority of league one signings tend to be on frees so it will be interesting to see how many transfers this summer have been completed via a transfer fee I don't believe that we paid anything like £1m for Adhadme. Maybe with addons, or resale, but we have heard lots of rumours of us paying out a lot but the players never, actually, arrived. Also, this is before you factor in that we were rumoured to have sold Alfie May for close to £1m. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 31, 2024 15:56:12 GMT
With Championship experience and a Championship contract I suspect that neither of these 'Keepers will come cheap. We don't seem interested in spending a lot of money - which is, I assume, why so many of our signings have been out of contract. So why was we looking to spend at least 1 mill on the Villa keeper that chose Celtic for 1.2 mill We never were. Just like all the marque signings that we were told we were going to sign that never arrived! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2024 16:13:49 GMT
I would tend to disagree with this, Adhadme is rumoured to be around a million including all the add ons, Edwards and Mitchell were both brought in on fees, Mitchell Allegedly 200-300k….i think we also paid a fee for Godden as I am sure he was still in contract….although I may be wrong on this For all our stattos on this site it would be very interesting to see which teams have paid the most in actual transfer fees to date this summer…..It wouldn’t surprise me to see us in the top 5…..though quite a long way behind Birmingham no doubt….. I might well be wrong but it seems the very vast majority of league one signings tend to be on frees so it will be interesting to see how many transfers this summer have been completed via a transfer fee I don't believe that we paid anything like £1m for Adhadme. Maybe with addons, or resale, but we have heard lots of rumours of us paying out a lot but the players never, actually, arrived. Also, this is before you factor in that we were rumoured to have sold Alfie May for close to £1m. Ipswich were reporting 1M but as you say that it could be after add ons etc |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 31, 2024 16:14:44 GMT
I would tend to disagree with this, Adhadme is rumoured to be around a million including all the add ons, Edwards and Mitchell were both brought in on fees, Mitchell Allegedly 200-300k….i think we also paid a fee for Godden as I am sure he was still in contract….although I may be wrong on this For all our stattos on this site it would be very interesting to see which teams have paid the most in actual transfer fees to date this summer…..It wouldn’t surprise me to see us in the top 5…..though quite a long way behind Birmingham no doubt….. I might well be wrong but it seems the very vast majority of league one signings tend to be on frees so it will be interesting to see how many transfers this summer have been completed via a transfer fee I don't believe that we paid anything like £1m for Adhadme. Maybe with addons, or resale, but we have heard lots of rumours of us paying out a lot but the players never, actually, arrived. Also, this is before you factor in that we were rumoured to have sold Alfie May for close to £1m. Yep, which was exactly what I said on my post about Adhadme’s fee being around 1 million including the usual add ons……... Regardless of the Alfie money you were intimating that we hadn’t paid many fees for players but we have for Adhadme, Edward’s, Mitchell and Godden……Some clubs at our level may well have banked the Alfie money and still brought in frees…..We have paid fees… It would be very interesting to see the percentage of how many fees have been paid by league one clubs this summer against bringing in frees…I would imagine it would be quite low……. Previous summers I doubt we would have paid any fees so as much as I think we are still short of being a top 6 side to date I can’t fault the recruitment from an investment side so far……. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 31, 2024 16:26:14 GMT
So why was we looking to spend at least 1 mill on the Villa keeper that chose Celtic for 1.2 mill We never were. Just like all the marque signings that we were told we were going to sign that never arrived! I’m confused, what marquee signings are you talking about? And who told you we were definitely signing them? |
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Post by clarky on Jul 31, 2024 16:32:16 GMT
I don't believe that we paid anything like £1m for Adhadme. Maybe with addons, or resale, but we have heard lots of rumours of us paying out a lot but the players never, actually, arrived. Also, this is before you factor in that we were rumoured to have sold Alfie May for close to £1m. Ipswich were reporting 1M but as you say that it could be after add ons etc I thought it was around the £600/£650k mark, excluding added ones. Godden was a smallish fee without the add ons and we heard Edwards was possibly less than six figures. So the May money probably paid the upfront fees for those three. Considering we were told we had a healthy budget and there was money to buy Collins, both on the cards before selling May, I don't think we have pushed the boat out too far. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 31, 2024 16:58:12 GMT
We never were. Just like all the marque signings that we were told we were going to sign that never arrived! I’m confused, what marquee signings are you talking about? And who told you we were definitely signing them? Nombe, Collins, Clarke-Johnson. I think there were others that I can’t recall just now. We were, apparently, willing to pay large fees for all of them but didn’t. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 31, 2024 17:33:13 GMT
I’m confused, what marquee signings are you talking about? And who told you we were definitely signing them? Nombe, Collins, Clarke-Johnson. I think there were others that I can’t recall just now. We were, apparently, willing to pay large fees for all of them but didn’t. I would agree with you on Clarke-Harris, Peterborough accepted our offer and their management actually came out and said he wouldnt get a better deal in regards to wages anywhere else, but he decided to sit tight and then he joined Rotherham in the summer…..not too much the club could do about that one… Collins was just a rumour on here I think via Reams, but at the time Appleton had just been sacked, we were a complete circus at the time and quite understandably he joined Bolton……..I don’t recall anything from Cawley that said we had made any offers though… I Can’t even remember if we actually put a bid in for Nombe, maybe we did which they didn’t accept, fair enough, maybe we didn’t think he was worth what they wanted….. Think we have to remember that this is a rumours page, and posters may hear things which they pass on, doesn’t mean we are definitely signing them or have even put in a offer for them…… My personal opinion is that if the club thinks a player is worth paying a big fee such as Adhadme and possibly the keeper that went to Celtic then they will pay it……. |
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