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Post by redplanet on Mar 22, 2024 17:43:11 GMT
Speaking to reporters, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said he preferred the original and the national flag was a "source of pride" and identity.
"When it comes to our national flags, we shouldn't mess with them because they're a source of pride, identity, who we are, and they're perfect as they are," Mr Sunak said.
Meanwhile, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer told The Sun the "flag is used by everybody, it is a unifier, it doesn't need to be changed".
"We just need to be proud of it. So I think they should just reconsider this and change it back," he said.
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Post by se7sm on Mar 22, 2024 17:53:21 GMT
I couldn’t give a toss what people think the National flag should be on the ENGLAND KIT In the entire 152 year history of England football kits, the Palestinian saint’s cross has only appeared three times (all in the period 2006-2008). Why haven’t you been moaning about its absence for the past 15 years, rather than bitching about the colour of it when someone (Nike) finally brings it back? I genuinely don’t understand. You say it should be there when it hasn’t been for 98% of England shirt history, yet are complaining about its return because you don’t like the threads used. Slightly weird behaviour/attitude imho Sir x o dear you are one aren’t you |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Mar 22, 2024 18:01:58 GMT
In the entire 152 year history of England football kits, the Palestinian saint’s cross has only appeared three times (all in the period 2006-2008). Why haven’t you been moaning about its absence for the past 15 years, rather than bitching about the colour of it when someone (Nike) finally brings it back? I genuinely don’t understand. You say it should be there when it hasn’t been for 98% of England shirt history, yet are complaining about its return because you don’t like the threads used. Slightly weird behaviour/attitude imho Sir x o dear you are one aren’t you You could maybe either (a) explain what you did to campaign for the cross to return to the shirt since it was last there in 2008, or (b) apologise for your failure to do so. Those are the only legitmate responses you can make here. You know that. I know that. Everyone reading this knows that. I'm not holding my breath as I genuinely don't think you care about the cross beyond wanting to start arguments. With respect to the admins I will now step away from your (frankly silly and politically motivated) debate x |
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Post by se7sm on Mar 22, 2024 18:20:10 GMT
o dear you are one aren’t you You could maybe either (a) explain what you did to campaign for the cross to return to the shirt since it was last there in 2008, or (b) apologise for your failure to do so. Those are the only legitmate responses you can make here. You know that. I know that. Everyone reading this knows that. I'm not holding my breath as I genuinely don't think you care about the cross beyond wanting to start arguments. With respect to the admins I will now step away from your (frankly silly and politically motivated) debate x if Nike want to have the flag of Saint George on the shirt the argument is it should be a right colours , blah blah blah |
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Post by returnofpiestalker on Mar 23, 2024 16:15:01 GMT
This is turning into a Bud light moment.
All we need is for Gazza to start shooting at the offending shirt and we’re on.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Mar 23, 2024 17:46:01 GMT
Setting aside for a moment why any sane individual would pay £129.99 for an England shirt, this was almost a piece of very shrewd, counter intuitive PR from Nike.
I say *almost* because they under estimated the staunch patriotism of the English working class, and I read that the Nike share price has seen a chunk knocked off it as a result of the last 48 hours controversy.
Nike knew all along that tampering with our national emblem 🏴 would get them plenty of exposure, it’s just a pity for them that it’s backfired .
English football is still thankfully the working class’ game in this country, and the vast majority of these people in my experience love and are proud of our great country 🏴 ,and its symbols.
The poobbahing of our flag this week has come, as far as I can see, from the Usual Suspects
The backlash against the flag tampering was actually vaguely comforting, and served as a timely reminder that there is still a Silent Majority out there that loves England, is proud of England, and respects our heritage and our symbols.
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Post by redplanet on Mar 24, 2024 1:14:25 GMT
Setting aside for a moment why any sane individual would pay £129.99 for an England shirt, this was almost a piece of very shrewd, counter intuitive PR from Nike. I say *almost* because they under estimated the staunch patriotism of the English working class, and I read that the Nike share price has seen a chunk knocked off it as a result of the last 48 hours controversy. Nike knew all along that tampering with our national emblem 🏴 would get them plenty of exposure, it’s just a pity for them that it’s backfired . English football is still thankfully the working class’ game in this country, and the vast majority of these people in my experience love and are proud of our great country 🏴 ,and its symbols. The poobbahing of our flag this week has come, as far as I can see, from the Usual Suspects The backlash against the flag tampering was actually vaguely comforting, and served as a timely reminder that there is still a Silent Majority out there that loves England, is proud of England, and respects our heritage and our symbols. Some very good points. I just felt this was an overwhelming natural and logical reaction to this alphabet nonsense being once again pushed too far. Why? Because they thought they could get away with it, given the craven leadership of Great Britain. And now they learn this does not reflect the feelings of real people. Of course there will always be those wannabe wokes that pretend they think normal folk should bend over and take it up the proverbial because that means we are all 'Moving on'. Whatever that means. |
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Post by DFT on Mar 24, 2024 9:03:08 GMT
I don't know why the national flag has to be on the kit (is it FIFA/EUFA rules?) but as it is there it should not be tampered with.
The flag of England is a St Georges Cross, which as you know is a red cross on a white background, it should NEVER be altered for any reason at all!
As clarky said, if they want to display rainbow colours or whatever they are, they should do it on their own Nike swoosh.
I've nothing against inclusivity but the colours of the national flag are not something to be messed about with because when the colours are changed it is no longer the national flag!
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Post by whynot on Mar 26, 2024 15:14:44 GMT
DFT is correct if you want to put the country’s flag on the shirt it should not be changed. That I find is just disrespectful. If they want to make a statement about inclusivity fine put it somewhere else. But the real crime in regards to our kit is the price
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Post by zenga on Mar 26, 2024 16:18:53 GMT
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Post by kings hill addick on Mar 26, 2024 16:19:12 GMT
I don't know why the national flag has to be on the kit (is it FIFA/EUFA rules?) but as it is there it should not be tampered with. The flag of England is a St Georges Cross, which as you know is a red cross on a white background, it should NEVER be altered for any reason at all! As clarky said, if they want to display rainbow colours or whatever they are, they should do it on their own Nike swoosh. I've nothing against inclusivity but the colours of the national flag are not something to be messed about with because when the colours are changed it is no longer the national flag! They (both Nike and the FA) are under pressure to come up with something different every time a new shirt is released in order to convince fans to buy another one. Most fans must have a box full of the various England shirts, by now. I'm sure that I have most of them since the mid 90s. Apart from the size of the shirts (as I've expanded over the years) I can probably wear a different one every day for two weeks when the tournaments are on. Those selling them need to provide a reason to get people to buy the latest one. The price is a very good reason to wear an old shirt - unless you order a knock off version from China for about a tenner, of course. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Mar 26, 2024 22:43:13 GMT
I don't know why the national flag has to be on the kit (is it FIFA/EUFA rules?) but as it is there it should not be tampered with. It doesn't have to be on the kit and it almost never is. As I posted above, in the entire 152 year history of England football kits, the Palestinian saint’s cross has only previously appeared in the period 2006-2008. In this case it was generally stylised as the shoulder flash in the attached image (ie not the actual flag either). Nike have finally brought back a similar stylised hint of said Palestinian saint's crest and somehow (partly because it's an election year so politicians are moroning in on it) are getting absolute pelters for it! In previous years nobody would care. In fact people would praise them for bringing it back. (1878-2005 no cross on England shirts, 2006-2008 shoulder flash thing, 2009-2023 no cross on England shirts, 2024- some multi-coloured back of neck thing.) Sadly we live in a world of snowflakes who just want something meaningless (that doesn't remotely affect them) to cry about and this shirt cross thing is simply this week's version of that. Attachments:
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Post by redplanet on Mar 26, 2024 23:16:00 GMT
I don't know why the national flag has to be on the kit (is it FIFA/EUFA rules?) but as it is there it should not be tampered with. It doesn't have to be on the kit and it almost never is. As I posted above, in the entire 152 year history of England football kits, the Palestinian saint’s cross has only previously appeared in the period 2006-2008. In this case it was generally stylised as the shoulder flash in the attached image (ie not the actual flag either). Nike have finally brought back a similar stylised hint of said Palestinian saint's crest and somehow (partly because it's an election year so politicians are moroning in on it) are getting absolute pelters for it! In previous years nobody would care. In fact people would praise them for bringing it back. (1878-2005 no cross on England shirts, 2006-2008 shoulder flash thing, 2009-2023 no cross on England shirts, 2024- some multi-coloured back of neck thing.) Sadly we live in a world of snowflakes who just want something meaningless (that doesn't remotely affect them) to cry about and this shirt cross thing is simply this week's version of that. So people who still have some sense of national pride are the snowflakes? Hilarious! |
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Post by hongkongaddick on Mar 26, 2024 23:56:22 GMT
I don't know why the national flag has to be on the kit (is it FIFA/EUFA rules?) but as it is there it should not be tampered with. It doesn't have to be on the kit and it almost never is. As I posted above, in the entire 152 year history of England football kits, the Palestinian saint’s cross has only previously appeared in the period 2006-2008. In this case it was generally stylised as the shoulder flash in the attached image (ie not the actual flag either). Nike have finally brought back a similar stylised hint of said Palestinian saint's crest and somehow (partly because it's an election year so politicians are moroning in on it) are getting absolute pelters for it! In previous years nobody would care. In fact people would praise them for bringing it back. (1878-2005 no cross on England shirts, 2006-2008 shoulder flash thing, 2009-2023 no cross on England shirts, 2024- some multi-coloured back of neck thing.) Sadly we live in a world of snowflakes who just want something meaningless (that doesn't remotely affect them) to cry about and this shirt cross thing is simply this week's version of that. Perhaps we “(patriotic) snowflakes” are being so vocal about this because it’s one of the few things we can stand up against without threat of being cancelled by the shouty, pinko, urban self-styled elites. No-one is allowed to utter a word against the dogma of trans, radical Islam, BLM or any other of the bonkers minority causes that demand to be front & centre of daily life. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Mar 27, 2024 0:01:39 GMT
So people who still have some sense of national pride are the snowflakes? Hilarious! Have you not heard the term 'snowflake' before or do you just not know what it means? It's someone who gets offended/upset (and makes a big deal over it) about something that has no genuine effect on their life. It applies to all political perspectives. A vegan who gets upset (and bombards social media) about a vegan restaurant on the other side of the country adding a meat option is a snowflake. A nationalist who gets upset (and bombards social media) about a landscape format cross appearing on the England football shirt (for literally the first time in history) because they don't like the colour is a snowflake. That's what snowflake means. Five years ago more snowflakes were from the political left, nowadays more are from the political right (that's a change that seemed to occur during the pandemic/vaccine denial era) but they still exist on all sides of the political spectrum. And crying about being called a snowflake (like you seem to be doing) is peak snowflake behaviour! |
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Post by DFT on Mar 27, 2024 6:34:05 GMT
Why would someone use the term Palestinian saints cross instead of saying England flag?
Is that not just a deliberate and unnecessary attempt to wind people up?
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Mar 27, 2024 13:59:26 GMT
Why would someone use the term Palestinian saints cross instead of saying England flag? Is that not just a deliberate and unnecessary attempt to wind people up? It's to make clear what symbol I'm referring to. The main 'flag' on England shirts (the one that has existed on every shirt since the first in 1872) is the three lions crest. This is what most people would understand we are talking about when discussing the national symbology on the England shirt, not the Palestinian saint's crest that has only ever previously appeared on England shirts for a couple of years in the mid-2000s. You are of course aware that the three lions predates the use of the saint's cross as the emblem for England. The Plantagenet coat of arms (ie the three lions) was the de facto England flag from 1200 until being gradually replaced by the cross in 1500-ish. I know a few genuine English patriots (rather than people who do it as an affectation for political reasons) and many of them recognise neither of the above as the actual England flag, incidentally. Instead these patriots favour the emblem of St Athelstan, the original King of England (from the year 979). Feel free to Google it, but be warned it's in Crystal Palace colours! For much of the history of the England football team, most fans treated the Union flag (rather than the Palestinian saint's symbol) as the team's flag - indeed, Peter Shilton waded into the Nike debate last week by saying the colours of the English flag were red, white and blue. With so many different national symbologies associated with England football clothes, it's important to know which one we're talking about. That's the only reason I'm being specific re the Palestinian saint's crest in these posts. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Mar 27, 2024 14:14:38 GMT
I'm closing this thread to save all of our sanity's.
For reference though, it's the St George's Cross on our shirts from the Mid-2000's. As you well know.
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