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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 28, 2024 14:50:13 GMT
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 28, 2024 14:53:25 GMT
I read the thread title as
“Charlton had too much intensity and desire for Reams” 😵💫
Interesting to read the Rams blogs after the game at the Valley.
Despite being second in the table, Derby fans really don’t like Paul Warne and his style of play.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Feb 28, 2024 20:01:46 GMT
Truly is great to read an opposition manager say pretty much "yeah they wanted it more."
NJ has coaxed performances out of the group,I REALLY,REALLY hope we can properly build on this attitude and belief NJ has managed to instill.
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Post by earlpurple on Feb 28, 2024 22:42:01 GMT
I just wondered if they underestimated us, particularly that we hadn't won for 3 months and in the first half created nothing and went in 1-0 down. What did he say to them in the half-time team-talk? Stay focused because they'll bring Chuks Aneke on? Or just "this is 3 points in the bag"?
The worry of course is that teams will be prepared for us and know what we're going to do, i.e. wait a while then bring Chuks on. We need to play well before he comes on, because we haven't been.
I think the loan players who have come in are showing signs of improvement as they have got back to match fitness.
We took advantage of a couple of defensive errors and a bad decision by the goalkeeper to come out and foul Kanu. Of course, we've lost many games because of bad defensive errors, and I guess at this level your opponents are liable to make them if you pressure them, and if when they do you can take advantage, you have a good chance of winning games.
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Post by jonkool on Feb 29, 2024 8:24:26 GMT
I just wondered if they underestimated us, particularly that we hadn't won for 3 months and in the first half created nothing and went in 1-0 down. What did he say to them in the half-time team-talk? Stay focused because they'll bring Chuks Aneke on? Or just "this is 3 points in the bag"? The worry of course is that teams will be prepared for us and know what we're going to do, i.e. wait a while then bring Chuks on. We need to play well before he comes on, because we haven't been. I think the loan players who have come in are showing signs of improvement as they have got back to match fitness. We took advantage of a couple of defensive errors and a bad decision by the goalkeeper to come out and foul Kanu. Of course, we've lost many games because of bad defensive errors, and I guess at this level your opponents are liable to make them if you pressure them, and if when they do you can take advantage, you have a good chance of winning games. The loan players are very hit and miss … Ladapo Barkson Fiorini and returning Camara have underwhelmed to date. Coventry stepped up massively and Small Gillespie and Reg have been steady and are important to us for the rest of the season. Big clear out in the summer.
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 29, 2024 8:54:58 GMT
I just wondered if they underestimated us, particularly that we hadn't won for 3 months and in the first half created nothing and went in 1-0 down. What did he say to them in the half-time team-talk? Stay focused because they'll bring Chuks Aneke on? Or just "this is 3 points in the bag"? The worry of course is that teams will be prepared for us and know what we're going to do, i.e. wait a while then bring Chuks on. We need to play well before he comes on, because we haven't been. I think the loan players who have come in are showing signs of improvement as they have got back to match fitness. We took advantage of a couple of defensive errors and a bad decision by the goalkeeper to come out and foul Kanu. Of course, we've lost many games because of bad defensive errors, and I guess at this level your opponents are liable to make them if you pressure them, and if when they do you can take advantage, you have a good chance of winning games. The loan players are very hit and miss … Ladapo Barkson Fiorini and returning Camara have underwhelmed to date. Coventry stepped up massively and Small Gillespie and Reg have been steady and are important to us for the rest of the season. Big clear out in the summer. Gotta love all the spellings we see of Bakinson lol. I think we need to give the loans more time. None came with much (if at any) match fitness. They also came into a side on it's worst run of form for a very long time (ever?). Lack of match fitness and a team scraping the barrel in terms of confidence is always going to be a disaster imo. Bakinson is fine as a CM/DM but is lacking going forwards. He's given 100% from day 1 though and provides a different option in the middle with his physical presence. Ladapo still looks unfit but I think he could be very useful in our run in. Fiorini was never for this season it seems. Hopefully we can see a little of him if we get a few more wins quickly. Camara is just getting up to speed. We know he has quality and I think he will provide something different in the middle when he's match fit. Can carry the ball well and be a link between the midfield and attack.
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Post by jonkool on Feb 29, 2024 9:04:41 GMT
The loan players are very hit and miss … Ladapo Barkson Fiorini and returning Camara have underwhelmed to date. Coventry stepped up massively and Small Gillespie and Reg have been steady and are important to us for the rest of the season. Big clear out in the summer. Gotta love all the spellings we see of Bakinson lol. I think we need to give the loans more time. None came with much (if at any) match fitness. They also came into a side on it's worst run of form for a very long time (ever?). Lack of match fitness and a team scraping the barrel in terms of confidence is always going to be a disaster imo. Bakinson is fine as a CM/DM but is lacking going forwards. He's given 100% from day 1 though and provides a different option in the middle with his physical presence. Ladapo still looks unfit but I think he could be very useful in our run in. Fiorini was never for this season it seems. Hopefully we can see a little of him if we get a few more wins quickly. Camara is just getting up to speed. We know he has quality and I think he will provide something different in the middle when he's match fit. Can carry the ball well and be a link between the midfield and attack. It’s an age thing … I could have referred to him as thingymebob or whatsitsname instead 😜 In my book they don’t have to impress me … they have to impress the gaffer and I am more than happy to rely on his judgement as far as team selection is concerned. But the players will know that high energy and enthusiasm will go a long as far as NJ is concerned.
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Post by manikin on Feb 29, 2024 9:12:40 GMT
The loan players are very hit and miss … Ladapo Barkson Fiorini and returning Camara have underwhelmed to date. Coventry stepped up massively and Small Gillespie and Reg have been steady and are important to us for the rest of the season. Big clear out in the summer. Gotta love all the spellings we see of Bakinson lol. I think we need to give the loans more time. None came with much (if at any) match fitness. They also came into a side on it's worst run of form for a very long time (ever?). Lack of match fitness and a team scraping the barrel in terms of confidence is always going to be a disaster imo. Bakinson is fine as a CM/DM but is lacking going forwards. He's given 100% from day 1 though and provides a different option in the middle with his physical presence. Ladapo still looks unfit but I think he could be very useful in our run in. Fiorini was never for this season it seems. Hopefully we can see a little of him if we get a few more wins quickly. Camara is just getting up to speed. We know he has quality and I think he will provide something different in the middle when he's match fit. Can carry the ball well and be a link between the midfield and attack. Totally agree, well said.
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Post by sevenoaks on Feb 29, 2024 9:22:09 GMT
So do we think Andy Scott has done better than we first thought?.. I appreciate Appleton completely wrong.. Just wondered what people's thoughts were now..
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Post by manikin on Feb 29, 2024 10:02:37 GMT
So do we think Andy Scott has done better than we first thought?.. I appreciate Appleton completely wrong.. Just wondered what people's thoughts were now.. He has certainly made some bad signings. Especially taking into account we needed players who were totally fit and ready to go, not having to wait four to six weeks before they can play week in week out. However some of the signings are now getting fit are showing their worth. Scotts marks out of 10 since he's been here, at the moment no more than 4.
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 29, 2024 10:36:51 GMT
So do we think Andy Scott has done better than we first thought?.. I appreciate Appleton completely wrong.. Just wondered what people's thoughts were now.. In January you mean? Too early to say for me but agree we may have been too harsh on some of the signings. He has certainly dropped the ball in terms of a no. 10 and attacking threat in the team. He's gambled that we have enough. We shall see.. However, he does seems to have strengthened us defensively with the signings of REG, Macca, Small, Ramsay (from the little we have seen), Coventry and Bakinson. There are definitely some in our fan base who have already put some of Scotts signings down as duds, no matter how well they play, just because Scott signed them. Some of the ratings for Coventry in this game were baffling. Luckily only a small percentage.
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Post by watameires on Feb 29, 2024 11:27:20 GMT
Mixed bag imo
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Post by seriouslyred on Feb 29, 2024 11:27:37 GMT
So do we think Andy Scott has done better than we first thought?.. I appreciate Appleton completely wrong.. Just wondered what people's thoughts were now.. He has certainly made some bad signings. Especially taking into account we needed players who were totally fit and ready to go, not having to wait four to six weeks before they can play week in week out. However some of the signings are now getting fit are showing their worth. Scotts marks out of 10 since he's been here, at the moment no more than 4. There have been some poor signings, just as there are in virtually every window. Perhaps it's a tad too early to evaluate the January window? Perhaps we might wait until the end of the season so as to assess what Jones makes of this squad. And witness around 10-12 first team squad players leaving our club end May. My understanding was that the objective was always to be in the running for promotion next season. Somewhat premature to make predictions on that front. So there's a strong case for allowing for a period of reflection - treat this as a very long pre-season once the threat of relegation has been eliminated. Hold fire on any judgement of executives but we can certainly assess what's emerging game by game. And then trust the owners / SMT to set budgets, objectives and strategy in a way that leads to us becoming competitive once again.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 29, 2024 11:31:27 GMT
He has certainly made some bad signings. Especially taking into account we needed players who were totally fit and ready to go, not having to wait four to six weeks before they can play week in week out. However some of the signings are now getting fit are showing their worth. Scotts marks out of 10 since he's been here, at the moment no more than 4. There have been some poor signings, just as there are in virtually every window. Perhaps it's a tad too early to evaluate the January window? Perhaps we might wait until the end of the season so as to assess what Jones makes of this squad. And witness around 10-12 first team squad players leaving our club end May. My understanding was that the objective was always to be in the running for promotion next season. Somewhat premature to make predictions on that front. So there's a a strong case for allowing for a period of reflection - treat this as a very long pre-season once the threat of relegation has been eliminated. Who in your opinion has been a poor signing by Andy Scott. Please name names 👍
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Post by seriouslyred on Feb 29, 2024 11:40:27 GMT
There have been some poor signings, just as there are in virtually every window. Perhaps it's a tad too early to evaluate the January window? Perhaps we might wait until the end of the season so as to assess what Jones makes of this squad. And witness around 10-12 first team squad players leaving our club end May. My understanding was that the objective was always to be in the running for promotion next season. Somewhat premature to make predictions on that front. So there's a a strong case for allowing for a period of reflection - treat this as a very long pre-season once the threat of relegation has been eliminated. Who in your opinion has been a poor signing by Andy Scott. Please name names 👍 Was Parker (replacing Grant) a poor signing five years ago? Once again, watch the 15 or 16 players that Jones utilises and then let's make a call about where we are as a club. And once again, there will be ten or more out of contract and loan players moving on end May. That's more than enough to create space in the squad and the wage budget for next time.
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Post by manikin on Feb 29, 2024 13:56:18 GMT
I think there have been quite a few Scott signings where the jury are still out and others where the judge has donned his black cap. Off the top of my head the signings I think have been poor ( especially taking into account what was needed at the time ) are - Louie Watson, Abankwah, Lloyd Jones, Terry Taylor, Ward, Edun, Fiorini, Tedic, Ramsey, Edmunds-Green, Campbell, Ladapo, Bakinson and Camara. That's fourteen, I may have missed one or two and I obviously haven't listed what I consider to be his better signings. Some of the above may still make it, but they were poor signings when we needed fully fit players who were ready to hit the ground running. Also certain positions weren't addressed properly, if at all.
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Post by se7sm on Feb 29, 2024 14:11:48 GMT
So do we think Andy Scott has done better than we first thought?.. I appreciate Appleton completely wrong.. Just wondered what people's thoughts were now.. the short answer is no, there is a long list of players that are obviously not good enough, and Nathan has already suggested a clear out next year. We needed a decent striker that we had to spend money on, and it wasn’t forthcoming. luckily, the kids and Chuks returning might save us .
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 29, 2024 14:56:22 GMT
Who in your opinion has been a poor signing by Andy Scott. Please name names 👍 Was Parker (replacing Grant) a poor signing five years ago? Once again, watch the 15 or 16 players that Jones utilises and then let's make a call about where we are as a club. And once again, there will be ten or more out of contract and loan players moving on end May. That's more than enough to create space in the squad and the wage budget for next time. You can’t bring yourself to do it, can you 🤦♂️ A master of meaningless obfuscation. As others on this thread have correctly pointed out, Scott has made a minimum of 14 unsuccessful/ poor signings in his 12 months at the club. At any serious football club, a Technical Director with that failure rate gets to walk the plank. The one consolation we hang on to is that Nathan Jones is now in control of player recruitment, not the hapless Scott, and the Welshman has made an excellent start with Theiry Small. What a contrast to Abankwah or Edun or Kane at full back 👏 It’s hard to escape the feeling that the inability to criticise Scott’s track record has more to do with the Passion- Free Poohbah’s being transfixed by his job title.
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 29, 2024 15:03:49 GMT
Was Parker (replacing Grant) a poor signing five years ago? Once again, watch the 15 or 16 players that Jones utilises and then let's make a call about where we are as a club. And once again, there will be ten or more out of contract and loan players moving on end May. That's more than enough to create space in the squad and the wage budget for next time. The one consolation we hang on to is that Nathan Jones is now in control of player recruitment, not the hapless Scott, and the Welshman has made an excellent start with Theiry Small. What a contrast to Abankwah or Edun or Kane at full back 👏 Didn't NJ say he wasn't involved in any january signings (or words to that effect)?
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Post by redplanet on Feb 29, 2024 15:18:01 GMT
The one consolation we hang on to is that Nathan Jones is now in control of player recruitment, not the hapless Scott, and the Welshman has made an excellent start with Theiry Small. What a contrast to Abankwah or Edun or Kane at full back 👏 Didn't NJ say he wasn't involved in any january signings (or words to that effect)? I have not seen anything 'Official' but I got the impression that NJ was involved somehow in getting Ramsey and Small in, just before he took up his position as Manager.
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Post by manikin on Feb 29, 2024 15:18:54 GMT
The one consolation we hang on to is that Nathan Jones is now in control of player recruitment, not the hapless Scott, and the Welshman has made an excellent start with Theiry Small. What a contrast to Abankwah or Edun or Kane at full back 👏 Didn't NJ say he wasn't involved in any january signings (or words to that effect)? Small joined 2nd Feb, Jones officially joined 4th Feb, may be wrong but I thought he had imput on the signing.
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Post by redplanet on Feb 29, 2024 15:21:54 GMT
Didn't NJ say he wasn't involved in any january signings (or words to that effect)? Small joined 2nd Feb, Jones officially joined 4th Feb, may be wrong but I thought he had imput on the signing. Was it Jones? I stand corrected.
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 29, 2024 15:22:27 GMT
I think there have been quite a few Scott signings where the jury are still out and others where the judge has donned his black cap. Off the top of my head the signings I think have been poor ( especially taking into account what was needed at the time ) are - Louie Watson, Abankwah, Lloyd Jones, Terry Taylor, Ward, Edun, Fiorini, Tedic, Ramsey, Edmunds-Green, Campbell, Ladapo, Bakinson and Camara. That's fourteen, I may have missed one or two and I obviously haven't listed what I consider to be his better signings. Some of the above may still make it, but they were poor signings when we needed fully fit players who were ready to hit the ground running. Also certain positions weren't addressed properly, if at all. With all due respect it is very difficult to sign fully fit players in January. If they are match fit they are playing, regularly, for their current clubs and are not going to be available. That means paying well over the odds for players and then we would have ended up with fewer bodies in - assuming that we are not demanding ten £2m signings in the third division. Some of the players signed at the end of the window in the summer were panic buys as Sandgaard held onto the club for to long, holding out for more money. I can forgive the gambles that we made in August and the players that came in in January were all much better on paper - especially bearing in mind that they were signed with next season in mind. If things continue to improve then those that brought in players, that were not match fit, so that we would have them for a challenge next season will have been proved to be right. I suspect, however, that there will still be some that will never find anyone that runs the club to be acceptable. Those fans have every right to complain, about everything, and demand more and more money is spent, and then complain that the money hasn't been spent how they wanted it to be. Everyone has that right, but in the end people stop listening to them because they just become predictable, and boring.
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Post by manikin on Feb 29, 2024 15:24:51 GMT
Small joined 2nd Feb, Jones officially joined 4th Feb, may be wrong but I thought he had imput on the signing. Was it Jones? I stand corrected. I was referring to Nathan Jones.
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Post by manikin on Feb 29, 2024 15:34:21 GMT
I think there have been quite a few Scott signings where the jury are still out and others where the judge has donned his black cap. Off the top of my head the signings I think have been poor ( especially taking into account what was needed at the time ) are - Louie Watson, Abankwah, Lloyd Jones, Terry Taylor, Ward, Edun, Fiorini, Tedic, Ramsey, Edmunds-Green, Campbell, Ladapo, Bakinson and Camara. That's fourteen, I may have missed one or two and I obviously haven't listed what I consider to be his better signings. Some of the above may still make it, but they were poor signings when we needed fully fit players who were ready to hit the ground running. Also certain positions weren't addressed properly, if at all. With all due respect it is very difficult to sign fully fit players in January. If they are match fit they are playing, regularly, for their current clubs and are not going to be available. That means paying well over the odds for players and then we would have ended up with fewer bodies in - assuming that we are not demanding ten £2m signings in the third division. Some of the players signed at the end of the window in the summer were panic buys as Sandgaard held onto the club for to long, holding out for more money. I can forgive the gambles that we made in August and the players that came in in January were all much better on paper - especially bearing in mind that they were signed with next season in mind. If things continue to improve then those that brought in players, that were not match fit, so that we would have them for a challenge next season will have been proved to be right. I suspect, however, that there will still be some that will never find anyone that runs the club to be acceptable. Those fans have every right to complain, about everything, and demand more and more money is spent, and then complain that the money hasn't been spent how they wanted it to be. Everyone has that right, but in the end people stop listening to them because they just become predictable, and boring. I think if you look at the list of names I put forward few were signed in January. As you say January is always a problem month, but signings had to be made mainly due to so many previous bad signings, we were desperate. It's beginning to look that those that were signed in January, now they are getting up to speed, may ( hopefully) bail us out of trouble.
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Post by seriouslyred on Feb 29, 2024 15:45:01 GMT
Was Parker (replacing Grant) a poor signing five years ago? Once again, watch the 15 or 16 players that Jones utilises and then let's make a call about where we are as a club. And once again, there will be ten or more out of contract and loan players moving on end May. That's more than enough to create space in the squad and the wage budget for next time. You can’t bring yourself to do it, can you 🤦♂️ A master of meaningless obfuscation. As others on this thread have correctly pointed out, Scott has made a minimum of 14 unsuccessful/ poor signings in his 12 months at the club. At any serious football club, a Technical Director with that failure rate gets to walk the plank. The one consolation we hang on to is that Nathan Jones is now in control of player recruitment, not the hapless Scott, and the Welshman has made an excellent start with Theiry Small. What a contrast to Abankwah or Edun or Kane at full back 👏 It’s hard to escape the feeling that the inability to criticise Scott’s track record has more to do with the Passion- Free Poohbah’s being transfixed by his job title. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts" - Bertrand Russell Next week marks the three month anniversary of your fifth(?) comeback on this forum. 700 posts bitching about players, coaches, SMT members and fellow fans! Here we are on a thread about the opposition manager's post match comments on our performance. The irony is that whilst basking in the aftermath of our first victory since you reappeared here, you want to talk Kill Bill hit lists, blame and regret. Whilst the rest of us simply want to enjoy turning a corner, and to see a few more games, figure out what's changed. Then perhaps consider what it might take to become contenders next season. "Sack the board" really isn't the first thing to come to mind.
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Post by jonkool on Feb 29, 2024 15:47:25 GMT
I feel that by the end of the season we will be able to get a far better handle on Scott’s signings.
The winter window is always tricky particularly when you don’t have much money to spend. At our level we will often be in for players who have a limited amount of game time due either to injury or lack of game time at their previous club. In both cases the new arrival will be undercooked fitness wise which will be a challenge to getting off to a flying start.
My instinct is that by the end of April there will be more ‘successes’ because of the appointment of the new gaffer. He demands high energy and enthusiasm for the challenge whilst Appleton and the subsequent caretaker boss played out from the back at a far slower tempo which put great pressure on defenders/midfielders.
Not wishing to parrot Red but I’m sure with the benefit of hindsight that we can’t make a value judgement until the last ball has been kicked for this season.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 29, 2024 16:09:26 GMT
Didn't NJ say he wasn't involved in any january signings (or words to that effect)? Small joined 2nd Feb, Jones officially joined 4th Feb, may be wrong but I thought he had imput on the signing. My understanding is that Nathan Jones recommended we sign Small based on his knowledge of the player from his time at Southampton.
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Post by Mundell on Feb 29, 2024 20:02:04 GMT
I feel that by the end of the season we will be able to get a far better handle on Scott’s signings. The winter window is always tricky particularly when you don’t have much money to spend. At our level we will often be in for players who have a limited amount of game time due either to injury or lack of game time at their previous club. In both cases the new arrival will be undercooked fitness wise which will be a challenge to getting off to a flying start. My instinct is that by the end of April there will be more ‘successes’ because of the appointment of the new gaffer. He demands high energy and enthusiasm for the challenge whilst Appleton and the subsequent caretaker boss played out from the back at a far slower tempo which put great pressure on defenders/midfielders. Not wishing to parrot Red but I’m sure with the benefit of hindsight that we can’t make a value judgement until the last ball has been kicked for this season. Completely agree. It’s obviously been a very disappointing season, but by the end of it, it’s entirely possible that we’ll have a very different perspective on our permanent signings (it’s our loan signings which have mostly flopped) and the same may well also go for the departures. We’ll see.
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 29, 2024 21:37:30 GMT
With all due respect it is very difficult to sign fully fit players in January. If they are match fit they are playing, regularly, for their current clubs and are not going to be available. That means paying well over the odds for players and then we would have ended up with fewer bodies in - assuming that we are not demanding ten £2m signings in the third division. Some of the players signed at the end of the window in the summer were panic buys as Sandgaard held onto the club for to long, holding out for more money. I can forgive the gambles that we made in August and the players that came in in January were all much better on paper - especially bearing in mind that they were signed with next season in mind. If things continue to improve then those that brought in players, that were not match fit, so that we would have them for a challenge next season will have been proved to be right. I suspect, however, that there will still be some that will never find anyone that runs the club to be acceptable. Those fans have every right to complain, about everything, and demand more and more money is spent, and then complain that the money hasn't been spent how they wanted it to be. Everyone has that right, but in the end people stop listening to them because they just become predictable, and boring. I think if you look at the list of names I put forward few were signed in January. As you say January is always a problem month, but signings had to be made mainly due to so many previous bad signings, we were desperate. It's beginning to look that those that were signed in January, now they are getting up to speed, may ( hopefully) bail us out of trouble. Sorry Manikin I wasn’t aiming my post at you, personally, there are other critics that I was thinking of that slag off everything and want everyone sacked. They are the ones that will never be happy. They are probably never happy with their own lives either but they hang around bitching at everyone and everything and it becomes tiresome.
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