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Post by watameires on Feb 2, 2024 12:26:28 GMT
I don’t believe we will go down but agree we could.
I’ve stated that a decent and timely management appointment was more of a priority than new signings.
Reason being as stated in different words albeit by Mundell - Appleton was hopeless and his temporary/permanent successors appear not to be.
The players we have in the squad (albeit limited) should with better coaching and motivational influence do far better than they could under the Appleton
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Post by se7sm on Feb 2, 2024 12:43:01 GMT
Given football’s inherent unpredictability, we clearly can’t rule out the possibility we’ll get relegated. Of course it could happen even if it’s not the most likely outcome. Here’s a genuine question though. Given that many fans believe that Michael Appleton was a completely clueless and hopeless Head Coach and that it now looks as if we’re about to appoint someone the same fans appear to believe is a significant upgrade, why the doom and gloom? Why isn’t there more optimism? Appleton’s league record overall was 5-9-8, i.e. 24 points from 22 matches, and over a full season that’s worth just over fifty points. We don’t need to improve by much to survive comfortably and yet some fans seem to think Appleton was so useless this shouldn’t be very difficult. It’s also instructive to look at Appleton’s record in each of its two very different phases. After his first twelve league games his record was 5-5-2 and fairly respectable. It began to fall apart as recently as December 9th in that fateful game against Cambridge when we failed to protect a two goal lead and over the last ten games his record was 0-4-6. I’m not defending Appleton here, but during that winless run we conceded many late goals (something we’re told any decent coach would have prevented), costing several points, and suffered with a number of important injuries. We’ve lost Blackett-Taylor and that will require a change of system, but overall we appear to have strengthened and we’ll have a number of players back from injury so with a “much better Head Coach in place” we ought to be in a much better place surely? To be clear, I’m not saying we can’t go down. Football can be radically uncertain. I just struggle sometimes with a narrative which appears to be highly internally inconsistent. You can’t believe it was completely obvious Appleton was desperately unfit for the job and massively underperforming and not also believe we won’t now see a significant improvement. Well mundell you sort of answered this question yourself the worry of relegation is still there. Yes Coventry is a good addition. we have lost some though Frazer CBT, but When we are being linked with 500,000 for this player, 700,000 for that player it’s always going to fall through them raised hopes don’t last long yes being up-and-down like a yo-yo is all part of the fun being a Charlton fan 😁😉 |
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Post by gmantaxi on Feb 3, 2024 16:05:44 GMT
You can’t polish a turd , keep playing 3 holding midfielders in a 3 and we are doomed .
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 3, 2024 17:08:40 GMT
We are bang in trouble now .
Anyone posting otherwise is WUM’ing.
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Post by wiggyatthebackpost on Feb 3, 2024 17:11:24 GMT
Bang in TROUBLE
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Post by aucklandaddick on Feb 3, 2024 17:15:26 GMT
We are bang in trouble now . Anyone posting otherwise is WUM’ing. How long have I been saying this mate Sorry but we have some folks who are deluded and in denial on both forums We haven’t got a win in us, we had the chance to bring in the quality required but chose not to Players who we were after decided to go to other clubs because of the decision making of this SLT I had a peep at Bolton’s subs bench today and every one would get in our first team without a doubt, Collins couldn’t even get a game We play a CB in our midfield and leave Watson out Been doing this shit all season and they think results will change…. What’s the definition of madness again |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 3, 2024 17:19:11 GMT
We are bang in trouble now . Anyone posting otherwise is WUM’ing. How long have I been saying this mate Sorry but we have some folks who are deluded and in denial on both forums We haven’t got a win in us, we had the chance to bring in the quality required but chose not to Players who we were after decided to go to other clubs because of the decision making of this SLT I had a peep at Bolton’s subs bench today and every one would get in our first team without a doubt, Collins couldn’t even get a game We play a CB in our midfield and leave Watson out Been doing this shit all season and they think results will change…. What’s the definition of madness again Can’t see us getting much from February’s fixtures. The players need absolutely crucifying by the fans for their basic lack of effort & ability. They’d be banging on the tunnel roof at Millwall …at our place we’ve got a “head of player care” (whatever that is ) giving them consoling pats on the head. The players at this club get away with murder. |
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Post by ExeterAddick on Feb 3, 2024 18:28:33 GMT
How long have I been saying this mate Sorry but we have some folks who are deluded and in denial on both forums We haven’t got a win in us, we had the chance to bring in the quality required but chose not to Players who we were after decided to go to other clubs because of the decision making of this SLT I had a peep at Bolton’s subs bench today and every one would get in our first team without a doubt, Collins couldn’t even get a game We play a CB in our midfield and leave Watson out Been doing this shit all season and they think results will change…. What’s the definition of madness again Can’t see us getting much from February’s fixtures. The players need absolutely crucifying by the fans for their basic lack of effort & ability. They’d be banging on the tunnel roof at Millwall …at our place we’ve got a “head of player care” (whatever that is ) giving them consoling pats on the head. The players at this club get away with murder. I disagree slightly on this. I've seen a fair few Charlton sides over the years who have completely given up, gone missing and generally been a disgrace to the shirt. I don't get that impression with these boys. I really do think that, on the whole, they're giving it everything they have, but they're just very technically limited and poorly coached. That midfield trio of Bakinson, Coventry and Edmonds-Green put themselves about today, but don't have an ounce of creativity between them. Likewise, Ness, Thomas and Gillesphey put their bodies on the line for the cause, but were undone by another horrific error. If we go down, and it's certainly a possibility, I'll lay the blame primarily at Scott's door for assembling a squad sorely lacking in width, pace and creativity rather than the players for not trying. That said, there's the odd player like T.Watson and Ladapo who I don't get the sense are necessarily giving 100%. |
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Post by valley on Feb 3, 2024 18:30:24 GMT
Could go down 30 matches gone.
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Post by LoyalAddick on Feb 3, 2024 18:30:56 GMT
I'll be surprised if jones turns this round and gets a tune out of these players none of them look up for the fight.
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Post by valley on Feb 3, 2024 18:34:14 GMT
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Feb 3, 2024 18:35:39 GMT
If there's anyone seriously thinking we couldn't be relegated: I know teams at the bottom generally don't win and some of the postponed games might be between two of these teams BUT purely hypothetically if all the teams at the bottom won their games in hand this is what the bottom of the table would look like right now after 30 of 46 games (with the line marking the relegation zone). We're well in the mix.
Burton 32
Charlton 31 (-3 GD)
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Reading 31 (-6 GD or better)
Cheltenham 29
Fleetwood 25
Carlisle 20
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Post by LoyalAddick on Feb 3, 2024 18:53:57 GMT
We're at 7's at the moment to get relegated.
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Feb 3, 2024 19:34:21 GMT
We're at 7's at the moment to get relegated. The investors need to lump on so at least they'll have extra money to dig us out if we do go down. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Feb 3, 2024 19:51:29 GMT
6th from bottom of the third division! I honestly never thought I’d see the day. In years to come when we are back in the prem, at least I’ll have an answer when people sing “where were you when you were shit” Jones confirmed next week? Only way is up from here!
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Post by clarky on Feb 3, 2024 19:55:56 GMT
After today's performance it is very possible. Apart from a bad February for fixtures four of our six games in March are away.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Feb 3, 2024 20:06:13 GMT
6th from bottom of the third division! I honestly never thought I’d see the day. In years to come when we are back in the prem, at least I’ll have an answer when people sing “where were you when you were shit” Jones confirmed next week? Only way is up from here! Get NJ in the building ASAP! New voice/ideas needed! How do you piece back together shattered confidence? Have we got the arsehole to go to Reading and get a win? |
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Post by Tom1982 on Feb 3, 2024 20:21:57 GMT
I think someone said earlier, Fleming is as useless as Appleton for me. Coventry, Bakinson and Edmonds-Green as a 3 is mental. No cutting edge there at all. At least Watson uses the ball well. I’d like to see us go 4-4-2 diamond for the rest of the season and hope against all hope that Fiorini ain’t as shite as he seems. Jones seems a big character, I think it’ll be a complete breath of fresh air as of next week. Wishful thinking maybe but I’m a lot more optimistic now!
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Post by jonkool on Feb 3, 2024 20:50:08 GMT
I think someone said earlier, Fleming is as useless as Appleton for me. Coventry, Bakinson and Edmonds-Green as a 3 is mental. No cutting edge there at all. At least Watson uses the ball well. I’d like to see us go 4-4-2 diamond for the rest of the season and hope against all hope that Fiorini ain’t as shite as he seems. Jones seems a big character, I think it’ll be a complete breath of fresh air as of next week. Wishful thinking maybe but I’m a lot more optimistic now! Fiorini has been out injury forever and it shows … he has no pace or stamina and having been out for such a long time he’s completely lost his touch and feel. A completely inappropriate signing for a club struggling to avoid relegation to tier 4! |
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Post by manikin on Feb 3, 2024 20:56:21 GMT
We were in trouble before the season started, we've been sinking ever since.
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Post by valleyvon on Feb 3, 2024 21:17:41 GMT
We were in trouble before the season started, we've been sinking ever since. This! I still think there will be worse teams by the end of the season although it doesn’t feel like it at the moment. Just need something to trigger the confidence |
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Post by roburwash on Feb 3, 2024 21:26:45 GMT
If you were Nathan Jones and watched today's game, would you want to become manager?
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Post by manikin on Feb 3, 2024 21:33:42 GMT
If you were Nathan Jones and watched today's game, would you want to become manager? That's what worries me. |
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Post by eric on Feb 3, 2024 22:10:48 GMT
We have taken 5 points from our last 12 fixtures. Let that sink in , 5 points from a possible 36 . I get that there are 16 games to go but at some point we’re going to have to win some . With the midweek games coming up we could be bottom 4 by Saturday. Jones needs to hit the ground running .
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Post by valley on Feb 3, 2024 22:29:19 GMT
67 days without a win.
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Post by iomvaliants on Feb 3, 2024 23:52:50 GMT
We are in real trouble, the team is so poor and the worst I've seen for a while. Shocking players, some not fit to wear the shirt, poor game and team management from Appleton and poor signings from Scott. So yes a very real possibility we could get relegated!! unless NJ can polish a turd!
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Post by zhengsociety on Feb 4, 2024 10:10:36 GMT
For a long time I thought we had enough to stay up but yesterday has filled me with dread. I just can’t see us picking up any upwards momentum, unless Jones can bring some steel to the side.
This club in league 2 will be horrendous.
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