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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 15, 2024 8:54:47 GMT
Given the realistic scenario of adopting a 532 formation and being limited to two additional acquisitions in this transfer window, which positions would individuals prefer to strengthen?
I would go Striker and Attacking Midfielder.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 15, 2024 9:00:18 GMT
Given the realistic scenario of adopting a 532 formation and being limited to two additional acquisitions in this transfer window, which positions would individuals prefer to strengthen? I would go Striker and Attacking Midfielder. A dominant CB as we only have three now and a striker who will complement May |
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Post by newyorkaddick on Jan 15, 2024 9:05:31 GMT
Unfortunately in a 5-3-2 the two wing backs are absolutely key and Watson certainly isn't good enough and Edun might not be, so replacing this pair is key but unlikely in this window especially given we obviously also need a target man striker.
Squad is so unbalanced as we arguably have ELEVEN central midfielders (Dobson, Bakinson, Fiorini, Coventry, Fraser, Anderson, Watson, Taylor, Camara, McGrandles, C Campbell) but a paucity of wide players especially if CBT goes (and he can't play wing back anyhow).
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 15, 2024 9:24:51 GMT
Unfortunately in a 5-3-2 the two wing backs are absolutely key and Watson certainly isn't good enough and Edun might not be, so replacing this pair is key but unlikely in this window especially given we obviously also need a target man striker. Squad is so unbalanced as we arguably have ELEVEN central midfielders (Dobson, Bakinson, Fiorini, Coventry, Fraser, Anderson, Watson, Taylor, Camara, McGrandles, C Campbell) but a paucity of wide players especially if CBT goes (and he can't play wing back anyhow). I think we will bring a new wing back to replace Watson who I agree is not good enough Any yes we have been unbalanced with far too many midfield players for ages |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 15, 2024 9:34:59 GMT
If we are adopting 3-5-2, then I would like to see a wingback come in. Hopefully one which can play either side, to provide some cover. I do think Assimwe will be better as a Wingback than he was as a Fullback, should we need him.
Obviously a striker or two. Plus a CB now Hector is out.
I don't think we will be looking for any more in the midfield considering the numbers we have there. It's more about who goes to me and who works best from the one's left. We certainly have pletny of cover there.
Summer window is a different beast. Lot's to do there! We're a team that lack pace imo. With CBT going, we are in serious need so some pace in attack and ideally defence.
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Post by manikin on Jan 15, 2024 9:36:33 GMT
Has to be two robust players, a CB with skipper potential and a physical striker.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 15, 2024 9:44:56 GMT
I put a few updates on the rumours page last night about the positions we are still looking to fill. They were a number 10, a wide player and two strikers, a loan and a permanent who I have named.Hectir's inhury meabs we now need snother CB too. Three more will arrive in this window.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 15, 2024 10:06:40 GMT
I wouldn’t play 3-5-2 for starters.
As Darren Ferguson commented after Peterborough’s victory on Saturday, 75% of clubs in League One play 3-5-2 (one for the Clipboard Clive’s there ), and it is easy to plan for & negate.
We would be far better off IMO playing a 4-4-2 given the players at our disposal.
You’ve almost got a spine there with that formation.
Two CBs in Jones & Gillesphey
Two CMs in Dobson & Coventry
Two strikers in Leaburn & May
We desperately need two decent new full backs in January, who’s names are not Tennai & Edun.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 15, 2024 10:29:52 GMT
It was just hypothetical question of course! I hope we bring in another 4!
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 15, 2024 10:47:04 GMT
I wouldn’t play 3-5-2 for starters. As Darren Ferguson commented after Peterborough’s victory on Saturday, 75% of clubs in League One play 3-5-2 (one for the Clipboard Clive’s there ), and it is easy to plan for & negate. We would be far better off IMO playing a 4-4-2 given the players at our disposal. You’ve almost got a spine there with that formation. Two CBs in Jones & Gillesphey Two CMs in Dobson & Coventry Two strikers in Leaburn & May We desperately need two decent new full backs in January, who’s names are not Tennai & Edun. Who are you playing LM and RM? Especially if CBT goes in Jan. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 15, 2024 12:05:43 GMT
I wouldn’t play 3-5-2 for starters. As Darren Ferguson commented after Peterborough’s victory on Saturday, 75% of clubs in League One play 3-5-2 (one for the Clipboard Clive’s there ), and it is easy to plan for & negate. We would be far better off IMO playing a 4-4-2 given the players at our disposal. You’ve almost got a spine there with that formation. Two CBs in Jones & Gillesphey Two CMs in Dobson & Coventry Two strikers in Leaburn & May We desperately need two decent new full backs in January, who’s names are not Tennai & Edun. Who are you playing LM and RM? Especially if CBT goes in Jan. We’d need new players in both slots. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 15, 2024 13:41:43 GMT
Unfortunately in a 5-3-2 the two wing backs are absolutely key and Watson certainly isn't good enough and Edun might not be, so replacing this pair is key but unlikely in this window especially given we obviously also need a target man striker. Squad is so unbalanced as we arguably have ELEVEN central midfielders (Dobson, Bakinson, Fiorini, Coventry, Fraser, Anderson, Watson, Taylor, Camara, McGrandles, C Campbell) but a paucity of wide players especially if CBT goes (and he can't play wing back anyhow). Eleven sounds a lot. Except three are out injured, one loan has just been terminated, whilst another four are out of contract / loans finish in four months. Think we have to live with full backs for now and Scott has to focus upon beefing up our attacking threat. Whatever formation we play over next two games we need a win, and that requires a significant goal threat. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 15, 2024 13:43:27 GMT
All very speculative obviously and I've said on another thread that figuring out how to use the talent now at is disposal is a big challenge. Nevertheless, assuming everyone is fit and that we sign a classic '9', I'd go with 4-3-1-2 and with the following personnel,
T Watson, Hector, Gillesphey, Jones (though I'm not sure how Jones would do at LB)
Bakinson, Coventry, Edun
Fiorini
May, AN Other
That might convert to a 3-4-1-2 when in possession and on the front foot, i.e. with T Watson pushed forward.
The position to prioritise then is obviously at '9'. However, we play we need a significant upgrade there. Not sure what I'd look to do next. It might make sense to see how it works with the above. Much would depend on how we want to play next season. Two 'elite' level full backs and an elite replacement for Edun might be next.
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 15, 2024 13:46:13 GMT
Who are you playing LM and RM? Especially if CBT goes in Jan. We’d need new players in both slots. You said, "given the players at our disposal". 4-4-2 does not work with our players at all. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 15, 2024 23:40:24 GMT
I wouldn’t play 3-5-2 for starters. As Darren Ferguson commented after Peterborough’s victory on Saturday, 75% of clubs in League One play 3-5-2 (one for the Clipboard Clive’s there ), and it is easy to plan for & negate. We would be far better off IMO playing a 4-4-2 given the players at our disposal. You’ve almost got a spine there with that formation. Two CBs in Jones & Gillesphey Two CMs in Dobson & Coventry Two strikers in Leaburn & May We desperately need two decent new full backs in January, who’s names are not Tennai & Edun. I wouldn't go 3-5-2 either for reasons stated by others higher up: we simply don't have the wing backs for the job. But that's for the SMT and Scott to decide - my tuppence worth would be by all means build in the summer and switch. But not in the fly with the way we're playing. We all know we need to play our way out of this winless run. Leaving aside Leaburn as injured, nobody can disagree about the centre-backs and CDM choices you mention. And we should add AMB plus the two full backs. Though I'd like to see more of Asiimwe. Can't see the club adding more full backs right now but that's for another time. We should also consider Fiorini and Bakinson as decent additions - just waiting for a nine to show up. And that we require quality on the bench. Tonight I'm curious as to whether the football (and results) will actually improve. The longer the SMT leaves things the further we might slide and the more expensive a remedy becomes. If we recall 2015/16, things improved once Riga returned plus he signed a few. Perhaps not enough?! The football certainly improved and at one point we had chances. So how did we get relegated? As Hemingway put it "Gradually, and then suddenly!" |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 16, 2024 9:06:26 GMT
I wouldn’t play 3-5-2 for starters. As Darren Ferguson commented after Peterborough’s victory on Saturday, 75% of clubs in League One play 3-5-2 (one for the Clipboard Clive’s there ), and it is easy to plan for & negate. We would be far better off IMO playing a 4-4-2 given the players at our disposal. You’ve almost got a spine there with that formation. Two CBs in Jones & Gillesphey Two CMs in Dobson & Coventry Two strikers in Leaburn & May We desperately need two decent new full backs in January, who’s names are not Tennai & Edun. I wouldn't go 3-5-2 either for reasons stated by others higher up: we simply don't have the wing backs for the job. But that's for the SMT and Scott to decide - my tuppence worth would be by all means build in the summer and switch. But not in the fly with the way we're playing. We all know we need to play our way out of this winless run. Leaving aside Leaburn as injured, nobody can disagree about the centre-backs and CDM choices you mention. And we should add AMB plus the two full backs. Though I'd like to see more of Asiimwe. Can't see the club adding more full backs right now but that's for another time. We should also consider Fiorini and Bakinson as decent additions - just waiting for a nine to show up. And that we require quality on the bench. Tonight I'm curious as to whether the football (and results) will actually improve. The longer the SMT leaves things the further we might slide and the more expensive a remedy becomes. If we recall 2015/16, things improved once Riga returned plus he signed a few. Perhaps not enough?! The football certainly improved and at one point we had chances. So how did we get relegated? As Hemingway put it "Gradually, and then suddenly!" We are still in a similar situation post summer transfer window. We seem to be in a transition period where the formation isn't clear from the players we have. After the summer window many of us pointed out the fact out best attacking players (CBT and May) didn't suit the same formation. When we had JRS and CBT you HAD to play 4-3-3 to get the best out of them. Then we just had CBT (maybe not for long) and then this formation makes a lot less sense. Hopefully we can find something that works for the rest of the season even if it doesn't suit us to the ground. I think we'd need the summer window to really plug the big holes in our squad strength. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 16, 2024 15:26:18 GMT
352 … as we stand today if everyone was fit
Isted
Jones Hector and Gillesphey
Watson and Edun wing backs two very good young players who will only get better
Midfield 3 Coventry Bakinson Camara
May plus new striker
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 16, 2024 15:32:11 GMT
352 … as we stand today if everyone was fit Isted Jones Hector and Gillesphey Watson and Edun wing backs two very good young players who will only get better  Midfield 3 Coventry Bakinson Camara May plus new striker As we stand..."plus new striker". Tough to get someone called that for our next game. That aside, there's no way Dobson is just dropped. Also the creativity in that team has got 0.1 xG written all over it. Who's creating the openings? Camara?  |
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Post by watameires on Jan 16, 2024 18:57:55 GMT
Xg count added to
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Post by Mundell on Jan 16, 2024 19:32:21 GMT
352 … as we stand today if everyone was fit Isted Jones Hector and Gillesphey Watson and Edun wing backs two very good young players who will only get better Midfield 3 Coventry Bakinson Camara May plus new striker For what it’s worth, that’s more or less how I had it in my post above, though I had Fiorini instead of Camara, and I’d set up 4-3-1-2 (with Fiorini at ‘10’), converting to 3-4-1-2 when in possession with Watson stepping forward. This makes it very clear that we desperately need to sign a ‘9’, while it seems we more or less agree who our best players are. The challenge for Michael Appleton is to figure out how to combine them. The setup here has more quality than we’ve had previously, but at the expense of width. The question is then whether Watson and Edun can provide that and/or if May and AN Other (new striker) can run the channels to offer an out ball. |
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Post by jonkool on Jan 17, 2024 14:29:17 GMT
I wouldn’t play 3-5-2 for starters. As Darren Ferguson commented after Peterborough’s victory on Saturday, 75% of clubs in League One play 3-5-2 (one for the Clipboard Clive’s there ), and it is easy to plan for & negate. We would be far better off IMO playing a 4-4-2 given the players at our disposal. You’ve almost got a spine there with that formation. Two CBs in Jones & Gillesphey Two CMs in Dobson & Coventry Two strikers in Leaburn & May We desperately need two decent new full backs in January, who’s names are not Tennai & Edun. I believe in playing two strikers up front as it applies so much pressure on the opposing CBs As you say 3-5-2 is B easy to combat with balls between the WB as and the CB on the same side. 442 is the other option and I note Norwich set up with a 442 with one of the strikers dropping in when necessary which can revert to 352 when attacking with one of the defenders pushing up. He’s only young but I’ve been impressed by Assimwe who is strong and prepared to go forward on the right side. He would get more playing time than TW in my opinion. |
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