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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 10, 2024 9:38:53 GMT
Moved your post Mundell as it looks like you were both posting at the same time Should be an interesting meeting! Maybe they want to get JCH signed before? Make the conversation less aggressive? Edit: Nevermind looks like you deleted it 👍 As I said yesterday, this has the potential to be very insightful. It’s a real opportunity to ask probing questions, not to simply throw brickbats. Too much focus on Michael Appleton will be a distraction. ^ this ^ |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 10, 2024 10:14:26 GMT
As I said yesterday, this has the potential to be very insightful. It’s a real opportunity to ask probing questions, not to simply throw brickbats. Too much focus on Michael Appleton will be a distraction. ^ this ^ Absolute toffee, but you and Mundell have a similar mindset on these matters, in so much as league position and results / attendances are not important to you. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 10, 2024 10:23:17 GMT
From the VOTV thread: Like him or loathe him, Rick Everitt has eviscerated Charlie Methven and SE7 Partners in a new VOTV on line tonight. I’m not Everitt’s biggest fan, but he’s hit many nails on the head in his new article regarding the bullshit, wishful thinking and delusion that have marked Methven’s ownership. The roles played by Andy Scott and “James” Rodwell are also analysed and exposed. If you are looking in , take a look at VOTV on line Charlie 👍 Many, many CAFC fans agree with the criticisms made of you 👍 you can tell that, just by the attendances. It's a very well written piece. Questions to be answered regarding all aspects of the club,on the pitch and off it. A token rehearsed/cherry picked Q&A,unlikely to provide any clarity,we've gone beyond the getting your feet under the table stage/using the previous regime(s) as excuses. You'd also like to think SE7 would've picked up on the fact our fanbase has been burnt so many times quelling our doubts/apprehension would be high on their agenda. It is a well written piece and Everitt is keen that fans don't waste the opportunity tonight by getting lost in the detail of catering or box office queries. It's obvious that we're underperforming budget and that injuries plus Sandgaard legacy contribute but don't fully explain where we are today. However, Everitt completely mangles the Championship picture for 2025 and beyond by failing to grasp that doubling the media deal goes a long, long way to making us break even, once promoted. A school child can easily cope with the arithmetic at play so why be deliberately obtuse?! It's all about execution so perhaps we shouldn't get too lost in the personalities and the gossip?! Essentially we secured decent results when Leaburn and Aneke were available but Tedic and Kanu didn't cut it. Therefore bring in a decent no. 9 ASAP, await Aneke's return and see how we go. If Scott fails to beg, borrow or steal a decent No. 9 then that's a different discussion. And if Appleton fails to deliver wins with a new No.9 and Aneke back, then we kinda know what happens next. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 10, 2024 10:38:44 GMT
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Post by valley on Jan 10, 2024 10:41:23 GMT
7pm - 7.25pm: Board members James Rodwell, Paul Elliott CBE MBE and Gavin Carter explain the plans for the club moving forward
7.25pm - 7.50pm: Questions via Zoom from fan representatives
7.50pm - 8.15pm: Questions from supporters via WhatsApp
How can fans ask questions via WhatsApp?
From the start of the meeting at 7pm, supporters can send their messages through on WhatsApp on 07384 517580. The club will endeavour to answer as many questions as possible
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Post by earlpurple on Jan 10, 2024 11:04:15 GMT
My own answers I'd like for these questions: Just some ideas.. Why do the SMT believe we are struggling so badly? We need to improve incrementally with what we have, and develop the players in our academy. This has meant seeing where we are for a few months with our existing squad. The SMT only just arrived. Clearly we are giving away too many late goals, possibly players are not running back to defend like they should. Missing strong players in key areas of the squad. But we do have some strengths, in particular Alfie May when he is actually played in the right position. And Miles Leaburn when he returns from injury. Firstly ensure we are not relegated this season, because you can't guarantee that yet. Ideally renew contracts of the players we want to keep, and strengthen in key areas where we lack with the best we can get available. Probably some of them arrived before SMT. If they're first team players regularly being picked right now then I hope not. If they are not and not required for the team then if we let them go it's all the better. I would like us to be adaptable and to be able to play the best way to beat the opponents in front of us, or at least not lose to them. We need to be able to change formation quickly if what we are doing is not working. A good coach will be able to do that, possibly making a substitution in the first half to achieve that, and if so, whoever is substituted must take it like a professional. I would hope the scouting network is improved so we find good targets to build the squad. I would also like to see the coaching improved so the players improve both personally and also playing together as a team. There is nothing we can do about what other teams are in the league with us, so we can only continually improve our own squad and their performance and hope that is good enough to get us promoted. There is, or at least should be, a full coaching team, not just Appleton. It appeared that he did well at first, and when he first came in, the team was actually improving in the second half, upping their game and winning games where they had played poorly in the first half. More recently it appears our performances have gone down after a good start. Some stability is good for the players, but even when the head coach is changed, much of the coaching staff remains the same. We need a head coach who can achieve the aims above (be adaptable to perform well against who we are playing) and in some ways Appleton did achieve that with the performance at Barnsley, a high-flying team we might have beaten but for the goal that had gone out of play. It's gone wrong since that point so we need to work out why. |
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Post by clarky on Jan 10, 2024 11:22:50 GMT
Moved your post Mundell as it looks like you were both posting at the same time Should be an interesting meeting! Maybe they want to get JCH signed before? Make the conversation less aggressive? Edit: Nevermind looks like you deleted it 👍 As I said yesterday, this has the potential to be very insightful. It’s a real opportunity to ask probing questions, not to simply throw brickbats. Too much focus on Michael Appleton will be a distraction. It won't be that insightful if they cherry pick the questions they wish to answer. I do agree with your comment re Appleton but there should plenty of focus on Scott as he appointed then sacked Holden, and then appointed Appleton as well as a bucket load of players who have failed which started a year ago. |
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Post by clarky on Jan 10, 2024 11:24:51 GMT
Not a massive fan of RE but this is a good, well written piece and highlights the extent of the mess we are currently in. |
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Post by leedsaddick on Jan 10, 2024 11:49:06 GMT
From the VOTV thread: It's a very well written piece. Questions to be answered regarding all aspects of the club,on the pitch and off it. A token rehearsed/cherry picked Q&A,unlikely to provide any clarity,we've gone beyond the getting your feet under the table stage/using the previous regime(s) as excuses. You'd also like to think SE7 would've picked up on the fact our fanbase has been burnt so many times quelling our doubts/apprehension would be high on their agenda. It is a well written piece and Everitt is keen that fans don't waste the opportunity tonight by getting lost in the detail of catering or box office queries. It's obvious that we're underperforming budget and that injuries plus Sandgaard legacy contribute but don't fully explain where we are today. However, Everitt completely mangles the Championship picture for 2025 and beyond by failing to grasp that doubling the media deal goes a long, long way to making us break even, once promoted. A school child can easily cope with the arithmetic at play so why be deliberately obtuse?! It's all about execution so perhaps we shouldn't get too lost in the personalities and the gossip?! Essentially we secured decent results when Leaburn and Aneke were available but Tedic and Kanu didn't cut it. Therefore bring in a decent no. 9 ASAP, await Aneke's return and see how we go. If Scott fails to beg, borrow or steal a decent No. 9 then that's a different discussion. And if Appleton fails to deliver wins with a new No.9 and Aneke back, then we kinda know what happens next. Like you, I thought it was a well written piece, but I’m left with the perception that he’s living in the past and wants to reignite the 1990’s onwards, and for me doesn’t acknowledge that the world has moved on. He’s right to call out that there needs to be engagement from the ownership to the terraces, but it’s probably going to be done via zoom calls and sanitised questions. Why? Football is a far more commercial business than it was in the 90’s and whether we like it or not and that warm fuzzy feeling that we had in the back to the valley days has gone, so the engagement will be zoom! Ultimately, the ownership will be judged on results and given our history of crap owners, they start at less than zero |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 10, 2024 11:49:24 GMT
As I said yesterday, this has the potential to be very insightful. It’s a real opportunity to ask probing questions, not to simply throw brickbats. Too much focus on Michael Appleton will be a distraction. It won't be that insightful if they cherry pick the questions they wish to answer. I do agree with your comment re Appleton but there should plenty of focus on Scott as he appointed then sacked Holden, and then appointed Appleton as well as a bucket load of players who have failed which started a year ago. My question is about Scott. I’m hoping to see it debated later. Anything else is just window dressing for anoraks. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 10, 2024 11:51:33 GMT
Absolute toffee, but you and Mundell have a similar mindset on these matters, in so much as league position and results / attendances are not important to you. With respect, that’s complete and utter nonsense. And I’m sure you know it. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 10, 2024 12:06:12 GMT
As I said yesterday, this has the potential to be very insightful. It’s a real opportunity to ask probing questions, not to simply throw brickbats. Too much focus on Michael Appleton will be a distraction. It won't be that insightful if they cherry pick the questions they wish to answer. I do agree with your comment re Appleton but there should plenty of focus on Scott as he appointed then sacked Holden, and then appointed Appleton as well as a bucket load of players who have failed which started a year ago. That depends entirely on what they say doesn’t it? How can you know it won’t be insightful if they cherry pick questions? Probing questions from fans might help to produce a more insightful session, but the questions need to be the right ones. My point shouldn’t be controversial. It’s simply that if a Q&A descends into an opportunity for the Qs to express frustration and anger, repeat questions that have already been answered or focuses on questions that can’t reasonably be answered (how long before Appleton and Scott are fired, for example), then it’s highly unlikely the session will be insightful. Ditto if all the Qs do is tell the Board they’re hopeless while providing advice on what they should be doing instead. We need to listen to what the Board have to say and then think about what to make of it. It might tell us things or imply things we already know or provide new insights and these might be positive or negative. It’ll be trying to manage my own “confirmation bias” when i assess how to evolve my current thinking. |
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Post by clarky on Jan 10, 2024 12:13:03 GMT
It won't be that insightful if they cherry pick the questions they wish to answer. I do agree with your comment re Appleton but there should plenty of focus on Scott as he appointed then sacked Holden, and then appointed Appleton as well as a bucket load of players who have failed which started a year ago. That depends entirely on what they say doesn’t it? How can you know it won’t be insightful if they cherry pick questions? Probing questions from fans might help to produce a more insightful session, but the questions need to be the right ones. My point shouldn’t be controversial. It’s simply that if a Q&A descends into an opportunity for the Qs to express frustration and anger, repeat questions that have already been answered or focuses on questions that can’t reasonably be answered (how long before Appleton and Scott are fired, for example), then it’s highly unlikely the session will be insightful. Ditto if all the Qs do is tell the Board they’re hopeless while providing advice on what they should be doing instead. We need to listen to what the Board have to say and then think about what to make of it. It might tell us things or imply things we already know or provide new insights and these might be positive or negative. It’ll be trying to manage my own “confirmation bias” when i assess how to evolve my current thinking. Because by cherry picking the questions they stick with their pre planned answers. Less talk more action is what we need. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 10, 2024 13:02:23 GMT
That depends entirely on what they say doesn’t it? How can you know it won’t be insightful if they cherry pick questions? Probing questions from fans might help to produce a more insightful session, but the questions need to be the right ones. My point shouldn’t be controversial. It’s simply that if a Q&A descends into an opportunity for the Qs to express frustration and anger, repeat questions that have already been answered or focuses on questions that can’t reasonably be answered (how long before Appleton and Scott are fired, for example), then it’s highly unlikely the session will be insightful. Ditto if all the Qs do is tell the Board they’re hopeless while providing advice on what they should be doing instead. We need to listen to what the Board have to say and then think about what to make of it. It might tell us things or imply things we already know or provide new insights and these might be positive or negative. It’ll be trying to manage my own “confirmation bias” when i assess how to evolve my current thinking. Because by cherry picking the questions they stick with their pre planned answers. Less talk more action is what we need. Read my post again clarky There are several non sequiturs in your response above. I agree we need action, but the Q&A can only be ‘talk’, by definition. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 10, 2024 13:12:12 GMT
Absolute toffee, but you and Mundell have a similar mindset on these matters, in so much as league position and results / attendances are not important to you. With respect, that’s complete and utter nonsense. And I’m sure you know it. has form on this! He will proclaim how he represents fans interests and that we should unite in order to present our views to the owners. And yet time and time again he surfaces with divisive rhetoric against fellow fans and SMT alike. Far easier than establishing common ground whilst listening to whatever the board has to say. As Rick Everitt requests, let's not waste this opportunity discussing trivia. I would add that we should also take time to digest the messages tonight. As well as observing how the team evolves this window. Most would agree that our club in 2023 was affected by both injuries and the Sandgaard legacy. And that the SMT needs to be skilled to navigate our way back to the top six as per the playing budget. |
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Post by clarky on Jan 10, 2024 13:21:10 GMT
Because by cherry picking the questions they stick with their pre planned answers. Less talk more action is what we need. Read my post again clarky There are several non sequiturs in your response above. I agree we need action, but the Q&A can only be ‘talk’, by definition. All I am saying is a Q&A session is quite meaningless when one side is controlling the agenda.. Of course we will be told things they want us to hear but questions they don't want to answer won't be raised. Until we see vast improvement in the squad, a vast performance on the pitch, and returning crowds then it really doesn't matter what they say. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 10, 2024 13:33:03 GMT
Read my post again clarky There are several non sequiturs in your response above. I agree we need action, but the Q&A can only be ‘talk’, by definition. All I am saying is a Q&A session is quite meaningless when one side is controlling the agenda.. Of course we will be told things they want us to hear but questions they don't want to answer won't be raised. Until we see vast improvement in the squad, a vast performance on the pitch, and returning crowds then it really doesn't matter what they say. I make you right re. the football side! It's all down to performances, results and our promotion chances. All the rest is noise! |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 10, 2024 13:33:57 GMT
Read my post again clarky There are several non sequiturs in your response above. I agree we need action, but the Q&A can only be ‘talk’, by definition. All I am saying is a Q&A session is quite meaningless when one side is controlling the agenda.. Of course we will be told things they want us to hear but questions they don't want to answer won't be raised. Until we see vast improvement in the squad, a vast performance on the pitch, and returning crowds then it really doesn't matter what they say. All I’m saying is that your first sentence above is illogical. I agree that a significant improvement in performances on the pitch and clear evidence that we have a team capable of winning promotion is the only outcome that really matters. Nothing we might be told this evening can directly influence that outcome (as you rightly said above, it’s only “words”), but it is possible that we might be able to infer from what is said whether the outcome we’re all hoping for is more or less likely than it seems to be today. I really don’t see how you can dispute that, not until we’ve actually heard what’s been said. To disregard now what we might told this evening just because it now seems that the Q&A isn’t go to be a free for all is perverse. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 10, 2024 13:39:41 GMT
Read my post again clarky There are several non sequiturs in your response above. I agree we need action, but the Q&A can only be ‘talk’, by definition. All I am saying is a Q&A session is quite meaningless when one side is controlling the agenda.. Of course we will be told things they want us to hear but questions they don't want to answer won't be raised. Until we see vast improvement in the squad, a vast performance on the pitch, and returning crowds then it really doesn't matter what they say. They should answer a lot of that in their opening section with the 'plans for the club moving forwards'. Outside of them announcing 11 new signings on the call and introducing them to the fans, I'm not sure what you are really asking for from this Q&A? It's only going to be words.. How can they show vast improvements to the squad in a Q&A? |
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Post by clarky on Jan 10, 2024 13:47:24 GMT
All I am saying is a Q&A session is quite meaningless when one side is controlling the agenda.. Of course we will be told things they want us to hear but questions they don't want to answer won't be raised. Until we see vast improvement in the squad, a vast performance on the pitch, and returning crowds then it really doesn't matter what they say. They should answer a lot of that in their opening section with the 'plans for the club moving forwards'. Outside of them announcing 11 new signings on the call and introducing them to the fans, I'm not sure what you are really asking for from this Q&A? It's only going to be words.. How can they show vast improvements to the squad in a Q&A? Exactly my point. I am basing my view on what I see, what they have done to date not what they say. I feel this is purely an exercise, in what is our lowest point since their takeover., to appease fans and take away some of the pressure on what many are considering to be an absolute failure both on and off the pitch. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 10, 2024 14:12:25 GMT
MundellGavin Carter (alleged CAFC fan from afar, and SMT member) has been conversing with our fans on LinkedIn this week. In his own words, “nobody at the club is happy with the position that we are in”. So I think we can predict the tone & content of what we are going to get tonight. 1. Collective mea culpa. 2. Things will get better. 3. Keep spending your money like mugs. So forgive me if I think that slightly more direct and pertinent questions are asked (if allowed). I certainly intend to probe on the competence of Andy Scott, and the metrics that are determining for how long he remains in post.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 10, 2024 14:15:22 GMT
With respect, that’s complete and utter nonsense. And I’m sure you know it. has form on this! He will proclaim how he represents fans interests and that we should unite in order to present our views to the owners. And yet time and time again he surfaces with divisive rhetoric against fellow fans and SMT alike. Far easier than establishing common ground whilst listening to whatever the board has to say. As Rick Everitt requests, let's not waste this opportunity discussing trivia. I would add that we should also take time to digest the messages tonight. As well as observing how the team evolves this window. Most would agree that our club in 2023 was affected by both injuries and the Sandgaard legacy. And that the SMT needs to be skilled to navigate our way back to the top six as per the playing budget. Coming from man who’s speech emptied Woolwich Town Hall faster than a dodgy fart, I’m not sure you are best qualified to talk about representing fans. Transfer success rates, league positions and dwindling attendances are not “trivia” as you put it, and deserve serious probing tonight. |
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Post by earlpurple on Jan 10, 2024 15:05:33 GMT
Why are there seven well paid new executives at the club, but no fit right back ? My best attempt to answer this is that these are completely different roles, and a club without experienced senior executives will not be able to ensure that the squad is to the standard required. Why there isn't a fit right-back is caused potentially by the last transfer window and injuries since then. The executives in charge of football are Andy Scott and Jim Rodwell. Presumably they will know the areas of the pitch where we need to improve. If we have a good scouting team in place we may be able to ask them for a suitable player in the right-back position who is fit to play now. And where will that come from? If not our academy, then go to lots of games, maybe League Two and National League, maybe U21 games. And it might mean get one on loan with a view that if they fit in, you sign them on a perm. The bigger the scouting network, the more chance you have to watch the potential players. Setting up this scouting network and funding it is part of the Senior Management Team. |
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Post by clarky on Jan 10, 2024 15:21:26 GMT
We may actually find out tonight what the likes of Rodwell, Warrick, Elliott etc actually do because since they arrived I haven't noticed any improvements!
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Post by valley on Jan 10, 2024 15:22:38 GMT
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Post by earlpurple on Jan 10, 2024 15:24:30 GMT
Mundell Gavin Carter (alleged CAFC fan from afar, and SMT member) has been conversing with our fans on LinkedIn this week. In his own words, “nobody at the club is happy with the position that we are in”. So I think we can predict the tone & content of what we are going to get tonight. 1. Collective mea culpa. 2. Things will get better. 3. Keep spending your money like mugs. So forgive me if I think that slightly more direct and pertinent questions are asked (if allowed). I certainly intend to probe on the competence of Andy Scott, and the metrics that are determining for how long he remains in post. Or they might tell us that "behind the scenes" they are keenly watching a lot of players and performances, and so will have all the information on targets for the summer transfer window. Of course, there will be 23 other clubs in League One next season who also want to sign the best players, and if the players are that good, Championship clubs may be after them too. On the first part of that, we are all playing under limited budgets, and our is quite competitive for League One. It is, of course, essential that we generate revenue from ticket sales and other things, and it is also obvious that a winning team raises the confidence and brings more people in, so there is a kind of "catch-22" situation there. From my own perspective, I cannot see that the team we currently have is better than the one we had this time last year. We have Alife May, but last year had Rak-Sayki on loan and this season none of the players we have on loan are anywhere near his level. They need to tell us that next season our team will be much better than what we have now, with a reasonable chance of the playoffs, and the season after that (assuming we don't get promoted next year), even better with a reasonable chance of automatic promotion. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 10, 2024 15:45:22 GMT
Why are there seven well paid new executives at the club, but no fit right back ? My best attempt to answer this is that these are completely different roles, and a club without experienced senior executives will not be able to ensure that the squad is to the standard required. Why there isn't a fit right-back is caused potentially by the last transfer window and injuries since then. The executives in charge of football are Andy Scott and Jim Rodwell. Presumably they will know the areas of the pitch where we need to improve. If we have a good scouting team in place we may be able to ask them for a suitable player in the right-back position who is fit to play now. And where will that come from? If not our academy, then go to lots of games, maybe League Two and National League, maybe U21 games. And it might mean get one on loan with a view that if they fit in, you sign them on a perm. The bigger the scouting network, the more chance you have to watch the potential players. Setting up this scouting network and funding it is part of the Senior Management Team. Unless I'm mistaken Asiimwe and Watson are right backs and are both match fit. Am I missing something? |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 10, 2024 16:53:40 GMT
Occam’s Razor has form on this! He will proclaim how he represents fans interests and that we should unite in order to present our views to the owners. And yet time and time again he surfaces with divisive rhetoric against fellow fans and SMT alike. Far easier than establishing common ground whilst listening to whatever the board has to say. As Rick Everitt requests, let's not waste this opportunity discussing trivia. I would add that we should also take time to digest the messages tonight. As well as observing how the team evolves this window. Most would agree that our club in 2023 was affected by both injuries and the Sandgaard legacy. And that the SMT needs to be skilled to navigate our way back to the top six as per the playing budget. Coming from man who’s speech emptied Woolwich Town Hall faster than a dodgy fart, I’m not sure you are best qualified to talk about representing fans. Transfer success rates, league positions and dwindling attendances are not “trivia” as you put it, and deserve serious probing tonight. You OK hun? I ask as the above is nonsense! This time attributing the word trivia to the fundamentals of our football status and then completely misrepresenting my views on these matters. Perhaps reamsofverse might have something to say about this provocative behaviour? Let's see where we are after the meeting  |
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Post by roburwash on Jan 10, 2024 17:23:46 GMT
Perhaps reamsofverse might have something to say about this provocative behaviour? This sounds pretty provocative in itself - trying to get teacher to send someone to the naughty step. It's obvious that you and Mundell and Occam's Razor have got previous between yourselves. Can't you three take your little scrap elsewhere? |
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Post by valley on Jan 10, 2024 18:36:52 GMT
Watch YouTube from 7pm.
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