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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 9, 2023 19:09:45 GMT
I'm sorry but it's producing nothing like the quality it used to.
I think that somebody somewhere is pretending it does and ensuring the better players are elevated into the first team squad as soon as possible.
That's called living in the past as far as I'm concerned. Time to get real and end the theory of making a quick buck.
L1 clubs wouldn't take a look at some of those who have been involved in the last seven days let alone big name clubs.
I honestly believe that one or two of the new board thought that youngsters were the way forward and want them involved with the first team as soon as possible.
It's back fired and there's still half of the season to go.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Dec 9, 2023 23:44:34 GMT
I'm sorry but it's producing nothing like the quality it used to. I think that somebody somewhere is pretending it does and ensuring the better players are elevated into the first team squad as soon as possible. That's called living in the past as far as I'm concerned. Time to get real and end the theory of making a quick buck. L1 clubs wouldn't take a look at some of those who have been involved in the last seven days let alone big name clubs. I honestly believe that one or two of the new board thought that youngsters were the way forward and want them involved with the first team as soon as possible. It's back fired and there's still half of the season to go. Has to be an element of truth in this,rapid fast tracking of youth into the shop window. Technically they may be good,but as we're seeing we've become an unbelievably soft touch. NOBODY else would blood this many youngsters at once,asking for trouble plain and simple IMHO. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Dec 10, 2023 10:03:41 GMT
I count myself lucky, to have seen the Gomez, Konsa, Shelvey Parker, Walsh, Leaburn, Lee, Grant, Jenkinson, Solly & Waggy.
I know I have missed some, but I can see nothing in our youth to match these.
I think possibly Miles and Nathan Asiimwe being my pick at the moment.
Has Miles been overplayed, and rushed, due to the state of our squad?.
We need more with a decent attitude, as the body language from a lot, is not what I like to see.
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Post by valley on Dec 10, 2023 10:54:25 GMT
Lookman scored twice yesterday.
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Post by sevenoaks on Dec 10, 2023 10:59:20 GMT
Lookman scored twice yesterday. I dont class him, too much our academy. Came pretty late didn't he?. |
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Post by eric on Dec 10, 2023 11:03:36 GMT
Lookman scored twice yesterday. I dont class him, too much our academy. Came pretty late didn't he?. As did Leaburn of course. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Dec 10, 2023 11:36:20 GMT
I dont class him, too much our academy. Came pretty late didn't he?. As did Leaburn of course. Take more credit for his dad.. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 11, 2023 0:02:50 GMT
Lookman scored twice yesterday. I dont class him, too much our academy. Came pretty late didn't he?. One can say the same about Pope and others. But does it matter whether we pick them up at 10, 14, 16 or 18? As long as we have a conveyor belt of talent arriving every summer plus EPL loans plus well researched and priced permanent talent then we should always improve each season. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Dec 11, 2023 2:08:15 GMT
I count myself lucky, to have seen the Gomez, Konsa, Shelvey Parker, Walsh, Leaburn, Lee, Grant, Jenkinson, Solly & Waggy. I know I have missed some, but I can see nothing in our youth to match these. I think possibly Miles and Nathan Asiimwe being my pick at the moment. Has Miles been overplayed, and rushed, due to the state of our squad?. We need more with a decent attitude, as the body language from a lot, is not what I like to see. Excellant post mate, I agree 100% with everything you say here…. I don’t see a Gomez or Konsa in Ness or Deji….. sorry…… [m We will probably get a few bob for Leaburn who has the potential to have an excellant career once he starts to use his body properly as a footballer and start imposing himself on centre backs rather than the other way round I never rated Burstow or Morgan both whom will probably end up at Colchester further down the line…. Maybe Casey has the raw talent to be the real deal, he reminds me of Mendonca with his finishing which is the highest praise/ comparison that I can give an academy kid |
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Post by smudge7946 on Dec 11, 2023 4:57:54 GMT
I'm sorry but it's producing nothing like the quality it used to. I think that somebody somewhere is pretending it does and ensuring the better players are elevated into the first team squad as soon as possible. That's called living in the past as far as I'm concerned. Time to get real and end the theory of making a quick buck. L1 clubs wouldn't take a look at some of those who have been involved in the last seven days let alone big name clubs. I honestly believe that one or two of the new board thought that youngsters were the way forward and want them involved with the first team as soon as possible. It's back fired and there's still half of the season to go. Relying on academy players will keep us lower league for the foreseeable future. |
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Post by chertseyaddick on Dec 14, 2023 15:08:09 GMT
I think that the problem is not a lack of quality in the youngsters, but too many are blooded at same time, too young, and in relatively poor sides. Some even played out of position. And overplayed.
Rylah, Mitchell, Leaburn, Mbick, Anderson, Asiimwe, Elewere, Chin, Kanu, Campbell. Barely one debuted aged over 18, often 2 or 3 together, sometimes up to five. That's 10 kids, many of whom could or did play for U18s this season, or when they were introduced.
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Post by aaronaldo on Dec 14, 2023 15:16:38 GMT
A few might have expected us to be high on this list...
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Post by Mundell on Dec 14, 2023 15:51:09 GMT
We often see very strong statements being made aaronaldo (some highly critical, some bemoaning our luck) when it’s clear there has been no attempt to look at the data or check the facts. Do we really have more injuries than other clubs, for example? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the answer is no. Nor should it be at all surprising that many clubs field young teams. We are not uniquely blighted by disappointment or by bad luck. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Dec 14, 2023 16:36:28 GMT
We often see very strong statements being made aaronaldo (some highly critical, some bemoaning our luck) when it’s clear there has been no attempt to look at the data or check the facts. Do we really have more injuries than other clubs, for example? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the answer is no. Nor should it be at all surprising that many clubs field young teams. We are not uniquely blighted by disappointment or by bad luck. We are also in a division where there is so little money that teams have to pad out their squads with young, cheap, players. |
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Post by webbo on Dec 20, 2023 11:07:00 GMT
Against their equivalent aged players at other clubs in U18 and U21 matches our academy has been hugely successful over recent seasons.
The step up is always tricky and some fall on fertile ground, some on stony ground.
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Post by kings hill addick on Dec 20, 2023 11:13:29 GMT
Against their equivalent aged players at other clubs in U18 and U21 matches our academy has been hugely successful over recent seasons. The step up is always tricky and some fall on fertile ground, some on stony ground. I think the difference is that some of the smaller clubs hope for players that they can sell for a profit but have aspirations much lower than ours so don't expect as much from their academy players. Also, the further down the pyramid a club is (and aspires to be) the more clubs above them that will discard academy players that they can pick up and play in their first teams. We have had lots of players in our academy, over the years, that have not made it with us but have had good careers in the EFL. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 20, 2023 17:00:09 GMT
Against their equivalent aged players at other clubs in U18 and U21 matches our academy has been hugely successful over recent seasons. The step up is always tricky and some fall on fertile ground, some on stony ground. I think the difference is that some of the smaller clubs hope for players that they can sell for a profit but have aspirations much lower than ours so don't expect as much from their academy players. Also, the further down the pyramid a club is (and aspires to be) the more clubs above them that will discard academy players that they can pick up and play in their first teams. We have had lots of players in our academy, over the years, that have not made it with us but have had good careers in the EFL. Tend to agree with that and would add that we have often relied upon Academy players in August due to injuries and EPL loans not yet in the building. We should also be aware of several business model criteria: - we don't require 25 players for 12 months of the year - many Academy players improve after 20-30 games - or show enough to indicate that they need to drop a level on loan - add in a networked club and there are more possibilities to include players for some / all of the season without signing multi year deals - multi year perm deals can work well but quite a few are expensive mistakes... we need to make fewer mistakes in this regard |
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Post by webbo on Dec 21, 2023 9:48:31 GMT
The great unknown is the step up. I didn’t think Lucas Ness would survive as well has he has (not saying he is great) in first team football, but he has made the leap to some extent.
When a player is excellent at youth and reserve level, like Adigun is at the moment, you don’t really want to get rid of them until you see if they can make the step up.
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Post by sausagedog on Dec 27, 2023 18:46:16 GMT
Avory has a terrific reputation within the game, hopefully he'll remain with the club and not become a casualty.
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