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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 26, 2023 13:54:36 GMT
Firstly we had enough chances two win two games let alone one. Carlisle had five players out and were there for the taking.
Any of the top six clubs would have had a field day in Cumbria yesterday while we made very weather of it.
The football has improved under Appleton, I have no doubt about that but sometimes it is too pretty and predicatble. We dominated from start to finish yesterday but I never felt confident that we were going to run away with it because we were so wasteful. That made us vulnerable and we all know that opponents always have a chance against us because of our defending or lack of.
Ok their goal came from a fluke of a ricochet off Tennai Watson that fell perfectly into the path of their left winger so perfectly that he didn't have to break his stride as it fell perfectly into his path to go on and cross it. There was still plenty of work for them to do to take advantage of it and that they did but why was Sam Levelle given time and space to control and side foot past Maynard-Brewer to score a slow-motion goal?
We need another CB and I am hoping that man is Caleb Taylor in January. I gave his name to the club in January and I believe it has been followed up.
The thing that stood out most of all for me though yesterday is how desperately we need a Mark Kinsella or Scott Parker type player, Graham Stuart even. Just somebody who has a bit more aggression to his game than we currently have and one who cuts out all of the fancy one-two touch passing and instead gets his head down and drives towards the opponents goal centrally. If you do that and there no options once you get within 20-25 yards then you look up and get in a shot on goal. Nobody in our side does that.
At the minute we are all left side. I acknowledge that CBT is our main outlet going forward but sometimes you just need to mix it up a bit and have other options that are just as effective.
I didn't get Appleton's decision to play Alfie out wide to be honest. Leaburn just isn't doing it at the moment so if we are playing him to put him in the shop window then it is having a dertrimental affect on us scoring goals. My should have been the central striker not Miles. I would go as far to say that was the sole reason we didn't win the game.
I watched Alfie give an interview ahead of the Cray Valley game and he clearly said loud and clear what he thrives on. That is the ball played in front of him for him to run onto.
That didn't happen once at Brunton Park and it was both annoying and frustrating that MA didn't change it so it could.
Time and time again yesterday when we swept forward, mainly to CBT although occasionally on the right side too, the ball came in to the box only to be cleared by Carlisle's defenders. We just didn't make them work hard enough to win the ball. We didn't challenge enough physically in the final third. I lost count of the times our frontline made the same run as each other as the ball flashed across the 18 yard box. They were just too square, one of them surely has to hold his run to give the player crossing the ball another option but too many times it was played in across the face of goal. All one of our strikers had to do was hold back a little and and arrive a fraction later. I was sat two seats away from Andy Scott and we both looked at each other in disbelief as cross after cross came in without anyone being there to execute the cross.
We also made eye contact several times as we both sat and watched the Carlisle keeper catch every corner or free kick that he was in range of. This is a serious issue for me because he did so totally unchallenged and we just don't put pressure on him. You see strikers at other clubs make a bee-line for the goalkeeper every time they have a dead ball situation, standing in front of him to make it difficult for him come and collect. There was no blocking of paths which was poor. Surely that's something you practice on the training ground? We just don't make it difficult enough for opposing defenders to clear their lines. Maybe that's because we don't have a defender or defenders who are confident enough to win the ball aerially and have an attempt on target.
The point yesterday felt more like a defeat to be honest. After such a dominant performance it was so disappointng to come away with just a point. We'll play worse this season and win games but unless we bring in three players we are missing, we won't be going anywhere near the top six.
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Post by leedsaddick on Nov 26, 2023 14:22:25 GMT
Did you get a chance to talk to Andy Scott re potential targets in January, or get any insights to contract negotiations with CBT and Dobson, that you’re in a position to share with the class?
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 26, 2023 14:33:51 GMT
The football has improved under Appleton but we are still some distance from the top six on XG, points gained and the ability to collect three points from lower half sides.
The question facing Scott, Appleton and the club is whether to try to shut down games and win 1-0 or go for a more expansive style and win 3-1?
Another decent CB, another CDM and another striker would give Appleton options for the first XI and from the bench. Appleton is using just 15 players out of the squad so time to move on a few.
Plenty of games to go before the window opens. One wonders if we can keep the gap to five or six points thus keeping the season alive.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Nov 26, 2023 15:07:06 GMT
Did you get a chance to talk to Andy Scott re potential targets in January, or get any insights to contract negotiations with CBT and Dobson, that you’re in a position to share with the class? Any hints would be greatly appreciated Reams.Although we understand IF not possible as you don't want to lose sources of info. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Nov 26, 2023 15:10:31 GMT
The football as improved under Appleton but we are still some distance from the top six on XG, points gained and the ability to collect three points from lower half sides. The question facing Scott, Appleton and the club is whether to try to shut down games and win 1-0 or go for a more expansive style and win 3-1? Another decent CB, another CDM and another striker would give Appleton options for the first XI and from the bench. Appleton is using just 15 players out of the squad so time to move on a few. Plenty of games to go before the window opens. One wonders if we can keep the gap to five or six points thus keeping the season alive. The last sentence sums it up perfectly,IF we can stay in touch and IF SE7 get their chequebook out. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 26, 2023 18:46:46 GMT
The football has improved under Appleton but we are still some distance from the top six on XG, points gained and the ability to collect three points from lower half sides. The question facing Scott, Appleton and the club is whether to try to shut down games and win 1-0 or go for a more expansive style and win 3-1? Another decent CB, another CDM and another striker would give Appleton options for the first XI and from the bench. Appleton is using just 15 players out of the squad so time to move on a few. Plenty of games to go before the window opens. One wonders if we can keep the gap to five or six points thus keeping the season alive. When you say keep the gap to 4 or 6 points, it’s 7 now to Derby and we don’t even any games in hand on them. We are 11 points behind Peterborough, in 4th and we have just one game in hand. I fear that we are already nailed on to be further behind the top six by the end of December when the decisions about January will need to be made. If we don’t close that gap I would expect to see Dobson and/or Blackett-Taylor sold and, probably Leaburn too. What worries me is that there is little evidence that those running the club will be able to use any money coming in to make us, truly, competitive in 2024/25. Not to mention that I’m getting fed up of jam tomorrow, which is all we ever seem to hear about. It’s always thee transfer windows away. It has been three transfer windows away for four seasons. |
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Post by valley on Nov 26, 2023 18:56:04 GMT
The football has improved under Appleton but we are still some distance from the top six on XG, points gained and the ability to collect three points from lower half sides. The question facing Scott, Appleton and the club is whether to try to shut down games and win 1-0 or go for a more expansive style and win 3-1? Another decent CB, another CDM and another striker would give Appleton options for the first XI and from the bench. Appleton is using just 15 players out of the squad so time to move on a few. Plenty of games to go before the window opens. One wonders if we can keep the gap to five or six points thus keeping the season alive. When you say keep the gap to 4 or 6 points, it’s 7 now to Derby and we don’t even any games in hand on them. We are 11 points behind Peterborough, in 4th and we have just one game in hand. I fear that we are already nailed on to be further behind the top six by the end of December when the decisions about January will need to be made. If we don’t close that gap I would expect to see Dobson and/or Blackett-Taylor sold and, probably Leaburn too. What worries me is that there is little evidence that those running the club will be able to use any money coming in to make us, truly, competitive in 2024/25. Not to mention that I’m getting fed up of jam tomorrow, which is all we ever seem to hear about. It’s always thee transfer windows away. It has been three transfer windows away for four seasons. All this talk of selling players,should be building. |
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Post by crapgame on Nov 26, 2023 20:08:19 GMT
The football and style of play has definitely improved with Appleton. I'm slowly coming round to thinking he is a decent fit for our current situation. We are dominating games more, creating a lot more chances and we have a prolific striker for once! I can see improvement in a number of players, but perhaps not the goalkeepers! We do look a fitter side than previous and dont seem to wilt as much as we used to. Appleton has stated he cannot play 442 in this league otherwise we lose the midfield battle, so where does AM play? Most have said and we have seen previously that we are not as effective when he plays as lone striker and he lacks the obvious physical attributes to hold the ball up and fend-off big CB's. CBT has to be LW, so Appleton has to either, play AM as an attacking CM or RW! TBH, he's been playing everywhere but as CF and has bagged loads of goals! I thought the final ball on saturday was generally poor quality. ML and AM rely on crosses and apart from the goal, we didnt really give our forwards too many chances.
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Post by melrose555 on Nov 26, 2023 21:30:30 GMT
A simple message to Appleton. Stop playing Alfie May on the right wing. Play Louie Watson as a definite start, otherwise Luton might recall him. Unlike others, I'm not at all sure about Appleton
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 26, 2023 23:35:09 GMT
A simple message to Appleton. Stop playing Alfie May on the right wing. Play Louie Watson as a definite start, otherwise Luton might recall him. Unlike others, I'm not at all sure about Appleton Not one loan player started yesterday. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 27, 2023 1:18:58 GMT
A simple message to Appleton. Stop playing Alfie May on the right wing. Play Louie Watson as a definite start, otherwise Luton might recall him. Unlike others, I'm not at all sure about Appleton Not one loan player started yesterday. Watson should be one of the first names on the team sheet👍 Tedic, Campbell and the young CB should all go back in Jan, what’s the point in keeping them MA clearly doesn’t rate any of them |
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Post by DFT on Nov 27, 2023 6:20:29 GMT
A simple message to Appleton. Stop playing Alfie May on the right wing. Play Louie Watson as a definite start, otherwise Luton might recall him. Unlike others, I'm not at all sure about Appleton Not one loan player started yesterday. If it's possible, we should send Tedic, Campbell and Abankwah back to their clubs in Jan. They clearly have no part to play at Charlton and their clubs surely can't be happy that they're not playing. The current situation is pointless for us and their clubs. We might be able to get 3 more suitable loanees in or permanent signings. I'm sure Andy Scott will be on top of it all. January could be a busy time if we're within striking distance of a play off spot. |
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Post by discocafc on Nov 27, 2023 8:27:38 GMT
Have to say Reams everything you said I totally agree with. Good to briefly meet you yesterday.
Lavelle’s goal is a prime example of how we defend and I agree we do need a CB. I think this is Charlton’s biggest let down this season.
Again, I agree with you about the midfield and the amount of crosses we put in straight to the keeper.
Having said all that, a couple of Carlisle supporters said we should’ve won the game. We did dominate but the final 3rd was a let down.
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 27, 2023 9:38:54 GMT
Have to say Reams everything you said I totally agree with. Good to briefly meet you yesterday. Lavelle’s goal is a prime example of how we defend and I agree we do need a CB. I think this is Charlton’s biggest let down this season. Again, I agree with you about the midfield and the amount of crosses we put in straight to the keeper. Having said all that, a couple of Carlisle supporters said we should’ve won the game. We did dominate but the final 3rd was a let down. You too mate. Had a few fans walking up to me in the Griffin asking if I was Reams and shaking my hand. Great atmosphere in there and very friendly too. Felt like I was back in the good books of a few Charlton fans! 😄 |
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Post by se7sm on Nov 27, 2023 10:24:47 GMT
It’s all staring us in the face week in week out, the set pieces are abysmal. When was the last time one actually led to a goal?.
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 27, 2023 10:51:51 GMT
A simple message to Appleton. Stop playing Alfie May on the right wing. Play Louie Watson as a definite start, otherwise Luton might recall him. Unlike others, I'm not at all sure about Appleton Not one loan player started yesterday. I imagine that this is one of the metrics that the new owners have given to Appleton. Why would they wast to develop other club’s players when their whole MO is to develop our own players to sell them on to cover the losses the club makes. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 27, 2023 11:34:30 GMT
Not one loan player started yesterday. I imagine that this is one of the metrics that the new owners have given to Appleton. Why would they wast to develop other club’s players when their whole MO is to develop our own players to sell them on to cover the losses the club makes. That's all well and good but that assumes our players are good enough at this level to develop them whilst meeting the season objectives. Assimwee and Anderson have done ok but I'd not go as far as to say they are good enough for us to get into top 6 this year and that's considering how poor the league is this year. 70% of the time I'd also add Tyreece to that list. He only seems to perform for a small percentage of games or a small percentage within a game. Ness and others aren't getting in ahead of our current squad (which isn't good enough overall) either. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 27, 2023 12:48:04 GMT
Not one loan player started yesterday. If it's possible, we should send Tedic, Campbell and Abankwah back to their clubs in Jan. They clearly have no part to play at Charlton and their clubs surely can't be happy that they're not playing. The current situation is pointless for us and their clubs. We might be able to get 3 more suitable loanees in or permanent signings. I'm sure Andy Scott will be on top of it all. January could be a busy time if we're within striking distance of a play off spot. Worse than pointless as loans will burn some of the wage budget which is limited by SCMP. Scott has eight years experience of recruitment at Championship level plus this is the first window where he will have complete control of planning and execution. And we have a manager/ head coach entering his first window with us. One who has held down roles for three years at two other clubs. Irrespective of whether we make the play-offs in May we all want to see improvements in results, performances and XG. Else next season will be a real struggle. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 27, 2023 15:01:14 GMT
I imagine that this is one of the metrics that the new owners have given to Appleton. Why would they wast to develop other club’s players when their whole MO is to develop our own players to sell them on to cover the losses the club makes. That's all well and good but that assumes our players are good enough at this level to develop them whilst meeting the season objectives. Assimwee and Anderson have done ok but I'd not go as far as to say they are good enough for us to get into top 6 this year and that's considering how poor the league is this year. 70% of the time I'd also add Tyreece to that list. He only seems to perform for a small percentage of games or a small percentage within a game. Ness and others aren't getting in ahead of our current squad (which isn't good enough overall) either. Tedic, Abankwah and Chem Campbell have been given different opportunities to impress but should probably return. L. Watson has impressed - he, T. Campbell and Asiimwe have all played well and contributed but don't always feature in the starting XI. I'd imagine Scott, Appleton, SMT and investors all have an eye on our best 15 for August 2024? |
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 27, 2023 18:16:31 GMT
I imagine that this is one of the metrics that the new owners have given to Appleton. Why would they wast to develop other club’s players when their whole MO is to develop our own players to sell them on to cover the losses the club makes. That's all well and good but that assumes our players are good enough at this level to develop them whilst meeting the season objectives. Assimwee and Anderson have done ok but I'd not go as far as to say they are good enough for us to get into top 6 this year and that's considering how poor the league is this year. 70% of the time I'd also add Tyreece to that list. He only seems to perform for a small percentage of games or a small percentage within a game. Ness and others aren't getting in ahead of our current squad (which isn't good enough overall) either. That's my point. I believe that the metrics that the manager is being asked to satisfy are not in the short term best interests of the first team, and it's results. Those running the club also have to be aware of the long term financial situation and I worry that Methven has made promises to the money men that they will not need to invest much money. The only way to achieve that is to sell the best talent, after developing it. The only way to develop players is to give them games when their contribution is not, always, worth a place in the side. |
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