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Post by willett on Nov 5, 2023 22:24:34 GMT
It can’t only be me that’s already worried by the quality of the signings that this bloke made in The Summer.
We can’t afford for the same mistakes in January.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 5, 2023 22:30:41 GMT
It can’t only be me that’s already worried by the quality of the signings that this bloke made in The Summer. We can’t afford for the same mistakes in January. Andy Scott took up his post early August when much of the squad was already in place. I've just updated the squad thread, highlighting who's playing, injured and gone out on loan. 2024 is a big year for Scott, Appleton and CAFC. Certain loans will need to go back and certain players Sold/ Loaned out so that we have a decent budget to bring in talent. |
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Post by petetongthereturn on Nov 6, 2023 6:35:08 GMT
The players Scott will move out will be the ones with money on their heads: Dobson, Taylor, Leaburn.
Not the likes of Kirk etc.
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Post by ENdeavour on Nov 6, 2023 7:59:50 GMT
I think Scott has got off lightly so far. The jury is still very much out for me. Let’s see what he does in Jan.
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 6, 2023 8:10:00 GMT
We do have short memories as fans. We barely had chance of a summer window this* year. It won't be until next summer that we really see what Scott and others are made of imo.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 6, 2023 14:06:20 GMT
We do have short memories as fans. We barely had chance of a summer window last year. It won't be until next summer that we really see what Scott and others are made of imo. SE7 Partners and Andy Scott might have been consulted on player retention and acquisition by Peter Storrie from May-July. But there's no way that they were in charge. This season we might have a shot at the play-offs? But the time to judge SE7 Partners, Scott and Appleton will be end September 2024 after 10 games of next season and two 2024 windows. By that time 90% of the squad inherited will be out of contract - so all down to SE7 and Scott to release players or offer renewals. As posted elsewhere we need to also see better coaching and improvements in culture and fitness. It's been a long, long time since our club has been run by an SMT with a track record in the game. Scott has spent eight seasons in player recruitment at a far higher level than our club. The SMT have League One play-off experience at different clubs. And if things don't go well by next Autumn then both fans and investors will have questions! |
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 6, 2023 15:24:03 GMT
My worry with Andy Scott is that he was 'involved' in the appointment of Dean Holden and the recruitment of Hector, Bonne, Kilkenny, Penny and Kane, as well as selling O'Connell - who I imagine would be first choice for us now!
Hector is the only survivor from those signings (including the manager) and the general view is that he is a bit pants and, at least partly, responsible for us being outside the top ten with a third of the season gone.
Alfie May looks to have been a great signing, all be it that Cheltenham wanted to cash in, and the player, clearly, wanted to come to us.
Other than May, Louie Watson and maybe Lloyd Jones, I'm not sure that any of the other signings, this summer, have demonstrated that they have improved us. Signing players that are injured, in my view, removes any excused when they are unable to play due to 'other', 'new', injuries.
I know that we had some players to move out, and that is very difficult, but I don't think we are any stronger than we were a year ago before Andy Scott, and the current owners, rocked up in December 2022.
In light of the above, I am far from convinced of the value of Andy Scott, at this point in time.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 6, 2023 15:43:00 GMT
My worry with Andy Scott is that he was 'involved' in the appointment of Dean Holden and the recruitment of Hector, Bonne, Kilkenny, Penny and Kane, as well as selling O'Connell - who I imagine would be first choice for us now! Hector is the only survivor from those signings (including the manager) and the general view is that he is a bit pants and, at least partly, responsible for us being outside the top ten with a third of the season gone. Alfie May looks to have been a great signing, all be it that Cheltenham wanted to cash in, and the player, clearly, wanted to come to us. Other that May, Louie Watson and maybe Lloyd Jones, I'm not sure that any of the other signings, this summer, have demonstrated that they have improved us. Signing players that are injured, in my view, removes any excused when they are unable to play due to 'other', 'new', injuries. I know that we had some players to move out, and that is very difficult, but I don't think we are any stronger than we were a year ago before Andy Scott, and the current owners, rocked up in December 2022. In light of the above, I am far from convinced of the value of Andy Scott, at this point in time. We're five points behind Stevenage in 6th place with a game in hand so far better than the last two seasons. But it's too early to tell, especially as we went into a slump around this time last season AND the year before. On both occasions we emerged with the manager sacked and FOUR wins behind the play-offs. Dean Holden was appointed with SE7 blessing and perhaps he was the right man at the time?! As posted before, Holden and Scott despatched 75% of the Matchday 18 from 12 months ago. That kinda transformation takes management. Many of last January's signings were short term and left in May. But we should also consider the promotion / emergence of Academy talent: Ness & AMB promoted to first XI whilst Leaburn and Campbell became fixtures in the front three AFTER Christmas. To that we have added Asiimwe and Anderson over the summer as well as loans and the players you mention. We look far better with Asiimwe and Campbell linking up on the right hand side than we did back in August. It's always possible to talk up potential as opposed looking at realistic outcomes. Right now it's possible for Scott to shift some players in January AND release any that are out of contract in June. The question is whether we have the budgets and the ability to retain the talent AND and decent players across 2024. After less than four months the football and the narrative suggests that we're facing the right direction. Right now it looks like the first XI emerging. Many have criticised Hector but he appears to have benefitted from a consistent selection for the back five plus 2 x CDM in front of him. Remember the 5 vs 2 breakaway goal conceded at Oxford away?! This League is full of mistakes, poor refs and random instances of players booting the ball off of the pitch under no pressure! Let's see where we are after 23 games as the January Window opens 😉 |
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Post by Joinerama on Nov 6, 2023 18:26:24 GMT
Spending the right money wisely can pay off. The SMT should show the investors what Ipswich have achieved. They are second in the Championship and could well go up again into the Prem. There was scepticism when the U.S. investment firm bought them for a rumoured £40million but it’s paid off with the right player recruitment and manager. Having said all that if they do go up the financial demands obviously go through the roof.
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 6, 2023 19:00:19 GMT
My worry with Andy Scott is that he was 'involved' in the appointment of Dean Holden and the recruitment of Hector, Bonne, Kilkenny, Penny and Kane, as well as selling O'Connell - who I imagine would be first choice for us now! Hector is the only survivor from those signings (including the manager) and the general view is that he is a bit pants and, at least partly, responsible for us being outside the top ten with a third of the season gone. Alfie May looks to have been a great signing, all be it that Cheltenham wanted to cash in, and the player, clearly, wanted to come to us. Other that May, Louie Watson and maybe Lloyd Jones, I'm not sure that any of the other signings, this summer, have demonstrated that they have improved us. Signing players that are injured, in my view, removes any excused when they are unable to play due to 'other', 'new', injuries. I know that we had some players to move out, and that is very difficult, but I don't think we are any stronger than we were a year ago before Andy Scott, and the current owners, rocked up in December 2022. In light of the above, I am far from convinced of the value of Andy Scott, at this point in time. We're five points behind Stevenage in 6th place with a game in hand so far better than the last two seasons. But it's too early to tell, especially as we went into a slump around this time last season AND the year before. On both occasions we emerged with the manager sacked and FOUR wins behind the play-offs. Dean Holden was appointed with SE7 blessing and perhaps he was the right man at the time?! As posted before, Holden and Scott despatched 75% of the Matchday 18 from 12 months ago. That kinda transformation takes management. Many of last January's signings were short term and left in May. But we should also consider the promotion / emergence of Academy talent: Ness & AMB promoted to first XI whilst Leaburn and Campbell became fixtures in the front three AFTER Christmas. To that we have added Asiimwe and Anderson over the summer as well as loans and the players you mention. We look far better with Asiimwe and Campbell linking up on the right hand side than we did back in August. It's always possible to talk up potential as opposed looking at realistic outcomes. Right now it's possible for Scott to shift some players in January AND release any that are out of contract in June. The question is whether we have the budgets and the ability to retain the talent AND and decent players across 2024. After less than four months the football and the narrative suggests that we're facing the right direction. Right now it looks like the first XI emerging. Many have criticised Hector but he appears to have benefitted from a consistent selection for the back five plus 2 x CDM in front of him. Remember the 5 vs 2 breakaway goal conceded at Oxford away?! This League is full of mistakes, poor refs and random instances of players booting the ball off of the pitch under no pressure! Let's see where we are after 23 games as the January Window opens 😉 All of what you say is factually correct. However, there is nothing in your post that removes my reservations about Andy Scott. He says all the right stuff, which is the easiest thing, in the world, to do. We might be five points behind Stevenage but not only are we in eleventh place since the start of the season (15 games) we are also in eleventh place based on the last six games. That suggests that there has been little, real, improvement since we finished last season in tenth. I'm not calling for Scott to be sacked, or anything, I've, just, not seen anything, in a year, that suggests that he has achieved more than a net income in transfer fees and a reduced wage bill. Also, I'm willing to stick my neck out, and predict that we will be no more fancied to win promotion, this season, after 23 games. All we are doing, which I accept is all we can do, is giving them more and more time to demonstrate that they are going to 'turn the corner'. Talk is cheap, and we have had way too much of that, in proportion to success on the pitch or successful squad building. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Nov 6, 2023 21:08:21 GMT
Spending the right money wisely can pay off. The SMT should show the investors what Ipswich have achieved. They are second in the Championship and could well go up again into the Prem. There was scepticism when the U.S. investment firm bought them for a rumoured £40million but it’s paid off with the right player recruitment and manager. Having said all that if they do go up the financial demands obviously go through the roof. I was hoping Ipswich would be the template we try and match,their recruitment admittedly with significant outlay has been superb. Plymouth might be a more achievable,realistic model for us possibly? As others have said Andy Scott looks to have all the relevant experience and tools needed to turn us around,Jan window will be a good indicator,but I've got a nasty feeling all the usual tropes will be trotted out again "inflated market" "can't get good value in this window" IF we want to make a fist of it,significant money will have to be spent. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 6, 2023 21:56:09 GMT
We're five points behind Stevenage in 6th place with a game in hand so far better than the last two seasons. But it's too early to tell, especially as we went into a slump around this time last season AND the year before. On both occasions we emerged with the manager sacked and FOUR wins behind the play-offs. Dean Holden was appointed with SE7 blessing and perhaps he was the right man at the time?! As posted before, Holden and Scott despatched 75% of the Matchday 18 from 12 months ago. That kinda transformation takes management. Many of last January's signings were short term and left in May. But we should also consider the promotion / emergence of Academy talent: Ness & AMB promoted to first XI whilst Leaburn and Campbell became fixtures in the front three AFTER Christmas. To that we have added Asiimwe and Anderson over the summer as well as loans and the players you mention. We look far better with Asiimwe and Campbell linking up on the right hand side than we did back in August. It's always possible to talk up potential as opposed looking at realistic outcomes. Right now it's possible for Scott to shift some players in January AND release any that are out of contract in June. The question is whether we have the budgets and the ability to retain the talent AND and decent players across 2024. After less than four months the football and the narrative suggests that we're facing the right direction. Right now it looks like the first XI emerging. Many have criticised Hector but he appears to have benefitted from a consistent selection for the back five plus 2 x CDM in front of him. Remember the 5 vs 2 breakaway goal conceded at Oxford away?! This League is full of mistakes, poor refs and random instances of players booting the ball off of the pitch under no pressure! Let's see where we are after 23 games as the January Window opens 😉 All of what you say is factually correct. However, there is nothing in your post that removes my reservations about Andy Scott. He says all the right stuff, which is the easiest thing, in the world, to do. We might be five points behind Stevenage but not only are we in eleventh place since the start of the season (15 games) we are also in eleventh place based on the last six games. That suggests that there has been little, real, improvement since we finished last season in tenth. I'm not calling for Scott to be sacked, or anything, I've, just, not seen anything, in a year, that suggests that he has achieved more than a net income in transfer fees and a reduced wage bill. Also, I'm willing to stick my neck out, and predict that we will be no more fancied to win promotion, this season, after 23 games. All we are doing, which I accept is all we can do, is giving them more and more time to demonstrate that they are going to 'turn the corner'. Talk is cheap, and we have had way too much of that, in proportion to success on the pitch or successful squad building. The typical total for sixth place after 23 games is 37 points. And Stevenage are all set to secure that. Question is how close we might get over the next eight games? And 34 points is certainly one likely outcome. There's a plethora of other stats one might examine and XG after 20 or 23 games might well be informative Nobody is arguing we are candidates for the top four since we are nowhere near two points per game. This on account of a sluggish start and poor XG against - perhaps mid-table. But it may be possible to suggest that we need less pieces of the jigsaw than we did last year? Replacing three or four in January with quality players will add depth and options. Fact is that Scott and SE7 haven't held the reins for 12 months solid. They had control for seven weeks last Christmas and perhaps 17 weeks since the takeover. Appleton has been around for two months. There's simply no guarantee that he's in charge next November! But it's in his interests (and the club and the fans) to make the case for adding top six talent in a few weeks time. If we don't then you will be far from alone in predicting mid-table mediocrity forever and a day. 😉 |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 23, 2023 17:06:13 GMT
11 points off the Play Offs at this early stage of the season is a sackable offence.
He’s a charlatan.
Scott Out.
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Post by sittingbourne11 on Dec 23, 2023 17:14:19 GMT
Appleton out first please.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Dec 23, 2023 17:48:09 GMT
11 points off the Play Offs at this early stage of the season is a sackable offence. He’s a charlatan. Scott Out. HAS TO deliver in this window,simple as. ANOTHER clear example of what we lack today. Quality Backbone Without these improving,we'll go nowhere. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Dec 23, 2023 17:50:02 GMT
11 points off the Play Offs at this early stage of the season is a sackable offence. He’s a charlatan. Scott Out. He barely had a summer window. Don’t even start about last January. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Dec 23, 2023 17:53:19 GMT
Appleton out first please. AS dressing his appointment up as anything other than who's cheap and available is a lie. League one experience....other than that what other qualities stood out making SE7 think he would start the desired upwards trajectory? |
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 23, 2023 18:32:58 GMT
11 points off the Play Offs at this early stage of the season is a sackable offence. He’s a charlatan. Scott Out. HAS TO deliver in this window,simple as. ANOTHER clear example of what we lack today. Quality Backbone Without these improving,we'll go nowhere. 100% SMT and investors have to deliver the appropriate budgets - they've paid off Kirk which is a start. Scott and others need to target and land three or four quality additions. Appleton has do deliver at the training ground AND on the pitch. If I were an investor or a CAFC executive, I'd be looking at succession planning for 2024! For I've been consistent in stating that we can and should be in a decent place after two 2024 transfer windows. But looks like somebody's gonna drop the ball. |
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