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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 12:09:24 GMT
Because Mexico don't provoke the USA. If they did they might find the situation would change. Read up on it mate ffs ! |
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Post by earlpurple on Oct 27, 2023 12:21:13 GMT
Because Mexico don't provoke the USA. If they did they might find the situation would change. Read up on it mate ffs !
Read up on what?
To give another example, Russia invaded Ukraine and that was unjustified as Ukraine had never provoked Russia (by bombing them with rockets, or by crossing the border and murdering innocent civilians) nor undermined their security. But if they had, the invasion would have been justified to protect Russia's security.
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Post by DFT on Oct 27, 2023 12:42:18 GMT
from one who now lives in a wholly Catholic country Where's that then because as far as I'm aware there is no such place! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 13:21:10 GMT
from one who now lives in a wholly Catholic country Where's that then because as far as I'm aware there is no such place! Oh you've got a sense of humour, hope you like my New profile pic đ |
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Post by DFT on Oct 27, 2023 14:49:13 GMT
I genuinely don't know a wholly catholic country, enlighten me!
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Post by DFT on Oct 27, 2023 14:50:43 GMT
I can't even work out what your profile pic is!
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Post by Mundell on Oct 27, 2023 16:49:45 GMT
Exactly why bombing Gaza wonât destroy Hamas unless you are talking about ethnic cleansing, wipe everyone out there. All the bombings from Israel are oxygen for Hamas to thrive. The peace talk can only start when cease fire are discussed, which need big countries like US, EU to have a more open view about Palestinian right. You keep 2 million people in a small land without any mean to live for decades, more and more people there will turn to Hamas That there are a lot of them in a small area is something that is difficult to fix, unless some of them move to the West Bank where the population is far less dense, and the 2 state solution would essentially mean "Palestine" consists of both the West Bank
The Gaza Strip was intended to be the "test" of a 2-state solution but it failed. As I said above, âTo state the blindingly obvious, this is an incredibly complex and highly sensitive subjectâ. As Iâm sure you are aware, Benjamin Netanyahu and Israelâs right wing government have absolutely no interest whatsoever in a two-state solution. Indeed, the strategy has been to attempt to marginalise Palestinian influence while seeking to ânormaliseâ relations with the Arab world, including the UAE and Saudi Arabia, with the latter the big prize. This policy has been managed alongside an apartheid system which denies Arabs/Palestinians equal rights in the Jewish state. Meanwhile, the government is complicit in Jewish settlers illegally building homes in the West Bank. Developments which the IDF then protects. Much of Israelâs action is justified by genuine security concerns and these are entirely understandable. However, Palestinians have, quite literally, ânowhere to goâ and this was never going to be a sustainable situation. |
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Post by davemehmet on Oct 27, 2023 17:43:35 GMT
from one who now lives in a wholly Catholic country Where's that then because as far as I'm aware there is no such place! Vatican City |
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Post by cafc81 on Oct 27, 2023 18:33:21 GMT
That there are a lot of them in a small area is something that is difficult to fix, unless some of them move to the West Bank where the population is far less dense, and the 2 state solution would essentially mean "Palestine" consists of both the West BankÂ
The Gaza Strip was intended to be the "test" of a 2-state solution but it failed. As I said above, âTo state the blindingly obvious, this is an incredibly complex and highly sensitive subjectâ. As Iâm sure you are aware, Benjamin Netanyahu and Israelâs right wing government have absolutely no interest whatsoever in a two-state solution. Indeed, the strategy has been to attempt to marginalise Palestinian influence while seeking to ânormaliseâ relations with the Arab world, including the UAE and Saudi Arabia, with the latter the big prize. This policy has been managed alongside an apartheid system which denies Arabs/Palestinians equal rights in the Jewish state. Meanwhile, the government is complicit in Jewish settlers illegally building homes in the West Bank. Developments which the IDF then protects. Much of Israelâs action is justified by genuine security concerns and these are entirely understandable. However, Palestinians have, quite literally, ânowhere to goâ and this was never going to be a sustainable situation. Totally agree with you. Just to add one thing, you wonât destroy Hamas by attacking Gaza. I thought after Vietnam war, Afghanistan, Western world learnt something, apparently not. People there just become Hamas through generation under Israel strict control. And even if you destroy Hamas, Hamas 2.0 will replace it, that things never end with |
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Post by stu2020 on Oct 27, 2023 22:26:46 GMT
A football forum should be a location for discussing just that, not a political soundbox, take this thread down
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Post by cafc81 on Oct 28, 2023 0:49:29 GMT
Read up on what?
To give another example, Russia invaded Ukraine and that was unjustified as Ukraine had never provoked Russia (by bombing them with rockets, or by crossing the border and murdering innocent civilians) nor undermined their security. But if they had, the invasion would have been justified to protect Russia's security.
Big difference is Ukraine has their independence. Ukrainian people can travel to other countries. Now, given how much just waving a Palestinian flag triggered a few people on here, I canât imagine how they would react to live constant under threat for years. 2 millions people in Gaza, 50% are children. The unemployment rate is 45%. So you can see which route people there will turn to given they donât have a lot of options. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 28, 2023 9:38:35 GMT
As news spreads of Israeli land incursions into northern Gaza, this piece provides a broad appraisal of the situation. www.theneweuropean.co.uk/invading-gaza-a-strategic-mistake/It's shocking to contemplate what's about to happen together with Western impotence when it comes to managing Netanyahu. There's no clear end game once Israel fully invades Gaza. Hamas have succeeded in provoking the Israeli Government. If the IDF move as predicted then the whole landscape and calculus shifts. Once again there's no comparison to Ukraine or N.Ireland. For the GFA / Belfast agreement was signed 25 years ago whilst the Russia Ukraine conflict appears to have hit stalemate. Enough Western arms and ammunition shipped to Ukraine to stop Putin's Russia but not defeat. Perhaps in the Middle East there's no long term ceasefire with the likes of Netanyahu and Hamas about. But the outcome of an inevitable escalation simply isn't predictable. |
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Post by mersthamred on Oct 28, 2023 12:44:57 GMT
Scottish football is too mixed with religion, but I thought Celtic were mostly Catholic-affiliated. Religion...I doubt if they spend much time in prayer and love their enemies...including Rangers. Just a label they use. |
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