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Post by sevenoaks on Jul 2, 2023 8:26:40 GMT
Zach Mitchell play at the back yesterday? Was it all change at half time? Yes, all change at half time.. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 2, 2023 8:29:16 GMT
Zach Mitchell play at the back yesterday? Was it all change at half time? Yep two completely different teams, but it was a kickabout against a park team full of triallists, neither of our keeps got their gloves dirty at all Mitchell is going to be a very good player for us but should be introduced slowly Ness was his usual efficient self and Mcgrandles did some useful work in the middle of the park, I personally think he should be in an around the first team this season and not loaned out, I just don’t think we have seen what he is really about yet |
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Post by Tom1982 on Jul 2, 2023 8:31:34 GMT
Zach Mitchell play at the back yesterday? Was it all change at half time? Yes, all change at half time.. Nice one, did it look 3-4-3 in both half’s? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 2, 2023 8:35:19 GMT
Yes, all change at half time.. Nice one, did it look 3-4-3 in both half’s? Yep it looked that way, we are certainly not short of quality CB’s to play 3 there, Deji looked good and looks bigger than last season, he will be a good player, Mitchell looked very comfortable on the ball, quite liked the look of Anderson in his cameo but as I said it was a kickabout only |
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Post by Tom1982 on Jul 2, 2023 8:42:51 GMT
Nice one, did it look 3-4-3 in both half’s? Yep it looked that way, we are certainly not short of quality CB’s to play 3 there, Deji looked good and looks bigger than last season, he will be a good player, Mitchell looked very comfortable on the ball, quite liked the look of Anderson in his cameo but as I said it was a kickabout only Interesting as to where that leaves a few of the players. Did Egbo play as one of the back 3 or on the right of the midfield 4? CBT up front of in midfield? Sorry, I probably should have just gone to the game!!! |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 2, 2023 8:48:53 GMT
Yep it looked that way, we are certainly not short of quality CB’s to play 3 there, Deji looked good and looks bigger than last season, he will be a good player, Mitchell looked very comfortable on the ball, quite liked the look of Anderson in his cameo but as I said it was a kickabout only Interesting as to where that leaves a few of the players. Did Egbo play as one of the back 3 or on the right of the midfield 4? CBT up front of in midfield? Sorry, I probably should have just gone to the game!!! Ha ha from the steam it looked like Egbo and Michell were pretty fluid and interchanging CBT played up top on the left of a 3 There was one funny moment with CBT where he roasted the poor right back but then left the ball completely behind him😂 Overall we played some decent football at times even though the oppo were in pure transition with more triallists playing than actual Welling players 😂😂 |
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Post by Tom1982 on Jul 2, 2023 9:24:40 GMT
Interesting as to where that leaves a few of the players. Did Egbo play as one of the back 3 or on the right of the midfield 4? CBT up front of in midfield? Sorry, I probably should have just gone to the game!!! Ha ha from the steam it looked like Egbo and Michell were pretty fluid and interchanging CBT played up top on the left of a 3 There was one funny moment with CBT where he roasted the poor right back but then left the ball completely behind him😂 Overall we played some decent football at times even though the oppo were in pure transition with more triallists playing than actual Welling players 😂😂 Same old CBT then a! Could be a real asset this season if used correctly but he’s always going to frustrate. Anyway cheers for the update 👍🏻 |
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Post by scoham on Jul 2, 2023 10:25:36 GMT
I'm probably in the minority here but I don't think he's as good as what a lot of people think he is. Put it this way if we can sell him for £5m and bring in two strikers for that who are proven goalscorers like Collins and Nombe I would snap your hand off. I was just about to say,and was worried about back lash, as I also feel Miles has been over hyped. I have seen, people like Paul Walsh and even Karlan Grant, and I don't think he is a patch on either of those two at the same age.. Grant was 21 when he was scoring regularly for us in 18/19. Miles turned 19 last season, got into double figures scoring a variety of goals - at the same age Grant made 1 start, 7 sub apps and failed to score in L1 during 16/17. If we can sell for big money and spend part of it on two cheaper but equally good strikers then that would be great business. For various reasons it’s not usually that easy though. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jul 2, 2023 10:52:08 GMT
I was just about to say,and was worried about back lash, as I also feel Miles has been over hyped. I have seen, people like Paul Walsh and even Karlan Grant, and I don't think he is a patch on either of those two at the same age.. Grant was 21 when he was scoring regularly for us in 18/19. Miles turned 19 last season, got into double figures scoring a variety of goals - at the same age Grant made 1 start, 7 sub apps and failed to score in L1 during 16/17. If we can sell for big money and spend part of it on two cheaper but equally good strikers then that would be great business. For various reasons it’s not usually that easy though. I stand corrected.. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 2, 2023 11:05:07 GMT
I was just about to say,and was worried about back lash, as I also feel Miles has been over hyped. I have seen, people like Paul Walsh and even Karlan Grant, and I don't think he is a patch on either of those two at the same age.. Grant was 21 when he was scoring regularly for us in 18/19. Miles turned 19 last season, got into double figures scoring a variety of goals - at the same age Grant made 1 start, 7 sub apps and failed to score in L1 during 16/17. If we can sell for big money and spend part of it on two cheaper but equally good strikers then that would be great business. For various reasons it’s not usually that easy though. I agree Scoham. Totally different level of course but when I was playing back in the, growing to the height I am know came with issues. Pulls, strains, all sorts and serious issues with achiles tendons. I think Miles will miss 20% of this coming season with injury issues so if a decent offer does come in I think we need to consider it. He's also one of those instinctive strikers. Right place at the right time. If he has to think about where he's going to put it he isnt as affective. |
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Post by valley on Jul 2, 2023 11:09:50 GMT
Grant was 21 when he was scoring regularly for us in 18/19. Miles turned 19 last season, got into double figures scoring a variety of goals - at the same age Grant made 1 start, 7 sub apps and failed to score in L1 during 16/17. If we can sell for big money and spend part of it on two cheaper but equally good strikers then that would be great business. For various reasons it’s not usually that easy though. I agree Scoham. Totally different level of course but when I was playing back in the, growing to the height I am know came with issues. Pulls, strains, all sorts and serious issues with achiles tendons. I think Miles will miss 20% of this coming season with injury issues so if a decent offer does come in I think we need to consider it. He's also one of those instinctive strikers. Right place at the right time. If he has to think about where he's going to put it he isnt as affective. May would only cost £200k so we don't need too sell player. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jul 2, 2023 12:01:45 GMT
Remember, seeing Mike's play at Tunbridge Wells a couple of years ago, looked so frail up against, some of the much older Tunbridge Wells players
Still growing into his body,and needs to be nurtured and not be our main striker.
I'm sure Jack Payne didn't have these issues.🙄
Maybe we won't know his full potential for a couple of years, and I doubt he will still be with us then..
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 2, 2023 13:30:35 GMT
I agree Scoham. Totally different level of course but when I was playing back in the, growing to the height I am know came with issues. Pulls, strains, all sorts and serious issues with achiles tendons. I think Miles will miss 20% of this coming season with injury issues so if a decent offer does come in I think we need to consider it. He's also one of those instinctive strikers. Right place at the right time. If he has to think about where he's going to put it he isnt as affective. May would only cost £200k so we don't need too sell player. No he wouldn't. He wants between 5-7k a week so that a full package of £1.3m for a 30 year-old. I keep repeating this because he's not worth that, nowhere near it. I know That's what the going rathe will be for a decent striker but if we are spending that kind of money I prefer we brought in a younger model like Same Nombe for example. He's only 26 and hasn't reached his peak yet, so there's at least three or four good years still to come from him. All these Alfie May fans just want a quick fix thinking he'll score 20 goals next season because he managed to last year. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jul 2, 2023 13:37:52 GMT
Grant was 21 when he was scoring regularly for us in 18/19. Miles turned 19 last season, got into double figures scoring a variety of goals - at the same age Grant made 1 start, 7 sub apps and failed to score in L1 during 16/17. If we can sell for big money and spend part of it on two cheaper but equally good strikers then that would be great business. For various reasons it’s not usually that easy though. I agree Scoham. Totally different level of course but when I was playing back in the, growing to the height I am know came with issues. Pulls, strains, all sorts and serious issues with achiles tendons. I think Miles will miss 20% of this coming season with injury issues so if a decent offer does come in I think we need to consider it. He's also one of those instinctive strikers. Right place at the right time. If he has to think about where he's going to put it he isnt as affective. Agree that Leaburn might well miss 20% of the season but that means he may well play 75% of the minutes, and put away 20+ goals? Compare that to last time when he played 1,800 minutes in the league - less than 45%. Why so low? He hardly featured under Garner due to a preference for Stockley as well as that injury. Can see him featuring far more from the off AND can see increasing offers arriving from January onwards as long as he grows into the role and shows Championship potential (whatever that means). |
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Post by smudge7946 on Jul 2, 2023 14:17:25 GMT
Can we have just one striker who isn't injured all the time?
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Post by petetongthereturn on Jul 2, 2023 15:16:14 GMT
Can we have just one striker who isn't injured all the time? Correction for you ‘can we have just one senior striker’ |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 2, 2023 16:20:25 GMT
I agree Scoham. Totally different level of course but when I was playing back in the, growing to the height I am know came with issues. Pulls, strains, all sorts and serious issues with achiles tendons. I think Miles will miss 20% of this coming season with injury issues so if a decent offer does come in I think we need to consider it. He's also one of those instinctive strikers. Right place at the right time. If he has to think about where he's going to put it he isnt as affective. Agree that Leaburn might well miss 20% of the season but that means he may well play 75% of the minutes, and put away 20+ goals? Compare that to last time when he played 1,800 minutes in the league - less than 45%. Why so low? He hardly featured under Garner due to a preference for Stockley as well as that injury. Can see him featuring far more from the off AND can see increasing offers arriving from January onwards as long as he grows into the role and shows Championship potential (whatever that means). Leaburn is not a 20 goal striker sorry. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jul 2, 2023 16:23:53 GMT
I have a feeling he will go to Palace...
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 2, 2023 16:45:58 GMT
I have a feeling he will go to Palace... Wash your mouth out Sevenoaks😂😂😂 |
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Post by vaangard on Jul 2, 2023 16:49:22 GMT
Agree that Leaburn might well miss 20% of the season but that means he may well play 75% of the minutes, and put away 20+ goals? Compare that to last time when he played 1,800 minutes in the league - less than 45%. Why so low? He hardly featured under Garner due to a preference for Stockley as well as that injury. Can see him featuring far more from the off AND can see increasing offers arriving from January onwards as long as he grows into the role and shows Championship potential (whatever that means). Leaburn is not a 20 goal striker sorry. 12 in 35 for a middling side during his inaugural season suggests otherwise. He was played wide right for half a dozen of those, and we rarely crossed from wings to play to his strengths. He played 1823 minutes in those 35 games, so many were as sub. 52 minutes per match. FFS the guy is 19. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 2, 2023 18:23:37 GMT
Leaburn is not a 20 goal striker sorry. 12 in 35 for a middling side during his inaugural season suggests otherwise. He was played wide right for half a dozen of those, and we rarely crossed from wings to play to his strengths. He played 1823 minutes in those 35 games, so many were as sub. 52 minutes per match. FFS the guy is 19. That's an average of a goal every three games, roughly 16 over the season. You need a lead striker to be scoring goals more regularly than that and one that has around the mid-20's over the season. |
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Post by garrynelson on Jul 2, 2023 18:54:40 GMT
12 in 35 for a middling side during his inaugural season suggests otherwise. He was played wide right for half a dozen of those, and we rarely crossed from wings to play to his strengths. He played 1823 minutes in those 35 games, so many were as sub. 52 minutes per match. FFS the guy is 19. That's an average of a goal every three games, roughly 16 over the season. You need a lead striker to be scoring goals more regularly than that and one that has around the mid-20's over the season. That is a very good return for an 18-19 year old over the course of his first professional season in a struggling team with little, to no, creativity. Put him in a better team and he’d very likely get into the 20+ goals category. He’s a lot further ahead than Karlan Grant was at the same age |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jul 2, 2023 19:10:02 GMT
I have a feeling he will go to Palace... Wash your mouth out Sevenoaks😂😂😂 🤣🤣😅 |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jul 2, 2023 19:12:19 GMT
That's an average of a goal every three games, roughly 16 over the season. You need a lead striker to be scoring goals more regularly than that and one that has around the mid-20's over the season. That is a very good return for an 18-19 year old over the course of his first professional season in a struggling team with little, to no, creativity. Put him in a better team and he’d very likely get into the 20+ goals category. He’s a lot further ahead than Karlan Grant was at the same age Karlan Grant, went backwards for a while, after leading the line at 17 was it?, seem to remember Bournemouth.. Possibly my memory is bad. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Jul 2, 2023 20:18:18 GMT
May would only cost £200k so we don't need too sell player. No he wouldn't. He wants between 5-7k a week so that a full package of £1.3m for a 30 year-old. I keep repeating this because he's not worth that, nowhere near it. I know That's what the going rathe will be for a decent striker but if we are spending that kind of money I prefer we brought in a younger model like Same Nombe for example. He's only 26 and hasn't reached his peak yet, so there's at least three or four good years still to come from him. All these Alfie May fans just want a quick fix thinking he'll score 20 goals next season because he managed to last year. Reams,I understand your thinking totally,recruit to perform and potentially sell on,sound sensible business. Could this be fully implemented when SE7 get their feet under the table,what I'm getting at is could May still be a target because the situation isn't ideal,their people aren't in situ to identify the targets they would 100% want. I'm not doing May down at all,he's clearly competent at this level and with our chronic lack of genuine goal threat I'd welcome him personally. I'm personally encouraged Cawley still seems to believe he's on our radar. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Jul 2, 2023 20:21:06 GMT
That is a very good return for an 18-19 year old over the course of his first professional season in a struggling team with little, to no, creativity. Put him in a better team and he’d very likely get into the 20+ goals category. He’s a lot further ahead than Karlan Grant was at the same age Karlan Grant, went backwards for a while, after leading the line at 17 was it?, seem to remember Bournemouth.. Possibly my memory is bad. He had a loan spell at Crawley didn't he? Might've been a different spell in time,but after Crawley he came back and looked the part. |
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Post by manikin on Jul 2, 2023 20:45:23 GMT
Karlan Grant, went backwards for a while, after leading the line at 17 was it?, seem to remember Bournemouth.. Possibly my memory is bad. He had a loan spell at Crawley didn't he? Might've been a different spell in time,but after Crawley he came back and looked the part. Made his full debut against Bournemouth in 2014. Loaned to Cambridge 2016 and Crawley 2018. |
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jul 2, 2023 22:15:36 GMT
Not sure if this is the right thread but I was talking to Ashley Maynard brewer after the game yesterday and he sounded so positive with the way things are down charlton, he said the boys are happy and working hard, Dean holden is a lovely guy and bringing isted in makes me work harder. I had quite a long chat with him when he came don to Ashford. He is a positive guy and a very good pro. |
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Post by smudge7946 on Jul 3, 2023 8:37:16 GMT
That is a very good return for an 18-19 year old over the course of his first professional season in a struggling team with little, to no, creativity. Put him in a better team and he’d very likely get into the 20+ goals category. He’s a lot further ahead than Karlan Grant was at the same age Karlan Grant, went backwards for a while, after leading the line at 17 was it?, seem to remember Bournemouth.. Possibly my memory is bad. Grant only improved after that Portugal unpleasantness. RCH got shown the door straight away, but Grant was spared. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 4, 2023 11:46:23 GMT
No he wouldn't. He wants between 5-7k a week so that a full package of £1.3m for a 30 year-old. I keep repeating this because he's not worth that, nowhere near it. I know That's what the going rathe will be for a decent striker but if we are spending that kind of money I prefer we brought in a younger model like Same Nombe for example. He's only 26 and hasn't reached his peak yet, so there's at least three or four good years still to come from him. All these Alfie May fans just want a quick fix thinking he'll score 20 goals next season because he managed to last year. Reams,I understand your thinking totally,recruit to perform and potentially sell on,sound sensible business. Could this be fully implemented when SE7 get their feet under the table,what I'm getting at is could May still be a target because the situation isn't ideal,their people aren't in situ to identify the targets they would 100% want. I'm not doing May down at all,he's clearly competent at this level and with our chronic lack of genuine goal threat I'd welcome him personally. I'm personally encouraged Cawley still seems to believe he's on our radar. I understand the clamour to sign players that will improve us and, also, get better, themselves, so that we can sign them on for a profit. The problem with that plan, though, is that the potential development is built into the price. Burstow was sold for c. £1.6m to Chelsea and, frankly, he was insignificant in our team that season. So we might have to pay over £1.5m for a player with potential that wouldn't increase our chances of success now! Dobson and Clare were brought in to add value for a transfer profit, as was Kirk, DJ, Lavelle, Gilby and, probably, some others. Clare was released after we paid a transfer fee for him and Dobson was signed on a free (although I suspect there was a signing on bonus for both the player and the Agent) and he is out of contract next summer. Gilby left on a free after we paid most of his wages for a season when he was singing about hating Charlton and all of the others are under contract as we can't give them away and don't, really, want to play them. The point I'm making is that signing young (ish) players with potential is a gamble. Signing older players that have proved what they can do is less of a gamble and every club needs a balance and a mix of both. |
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