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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 27, 2024 22:27:37 GMT
So that’s three goals in the last two games that were down to him….mainstay for years to come or liability 🤔🤔🤔🤔 The first goal was down to losing the ball in mid and the player skipping past a player without a challenge ..plus Gilly was the last defender .. second goal good strike by Hoskins who lost his marker ( not jones ) and had a free hit … so no he wasn’t .. As I have said previously fella you watch a completely different game to the rest of us and have an agenda for laying blame elsewhere away from players that you clearly rate Why do you think Jones was hooked at half time if as you say he was blameless for both Northampton goals and why do you think he was dropped for todays game…. Have a little think about that?His confidence is clearly shot to pieces after the mistakes he has made and him having to come on at halftime time after Tuesday nights calamities was not ideal for him or the team |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 27, 2024 23:23:05 GMT
You have a point! We have a top six budget... many were happy to blame Sandgaard, Gallen and Garner for where we were back in 2022. But it appears to be quite a challenge to return us back to where we were in 2018. On paper most were encouraged by six signings early January, but we've lost our goal threat. Blaming the keeper or individual defenders for errors really doesn't help. One could go further but it's late. A top 6 budget with a team weak as piss sitting 18th in the league and churning through managers at 3 per season….. so far……. If I was the owners I would be looking very closely at other areas of our business rather than just rinse and repeating managers I know we probably wouldn’t be able to afford him but I would love Warnock to take us on as a final project, I am pretty sure he would get this squad playing to its potential and also discard the players who are clearly not good enough With all due respect, tell us something we don't know! You and others wish to "discard players who are clearly not good enough". But you said that last year, and the year before that. Perhaps time will tell whether this SMT are able to recruit a head coach plus a couple of players so as to ensure that our next win arrives fairly soon. In the meantime, why not celebrate the end of a three game losing streak and digest what this feels has to say about the game. Most of us would much rather listen to considered comments from somebody in the middle of this challenge rather than blame and scapegoating uttered with total assurance! www.charltonafc.com/news/fleming-players-worked-very-very-hard |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 27, 2024 23:31:22 GMT
A top 6 budget with a team weak as piss sitting 18th in the league and churning through managers at 3 per season….. so far……. If I was the owners I would be looking very closely at other areas of our business rather than just rinse and repeating managers I know we probably wouldn’t be able to afford him but I would love Warnock to take us on as a final project, I am pretty sure he would get this squad playing to its potential and also discard the players who are clearly not good enough With all due respect, tell us something we don't know! You and others wish to "discard players who are clearly not good enough". But you said that last year, and the year before that. Perhaps time will tell whether this SMT are able to recruit a head coach plus a couple of players so as to ensure that our next win arrives fairly soon. In the meantime, why not celebrate the end of a three game losing streak and digest what this feels has to say about the game. Most of us would much rather listen to considered comments from somebody in the middle of this challenge rather than blame and scapegoating uttered with total assurance! www.charltonafc.com/news/fleming-players-worked-very-very-hardFella you go ahead and celebrate a point away from home at Blackpool, our first point in how many games and how many games is it now since our last win? Fleming is obviously going to put the positive spin on it, TBH it’s wins with our top 6 budget team that I want to celebrate not just the usual talk from our merry go round of managers Each to their own eh |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 28, 2024 5:44:52 GMT
SR so you are basically saying that it is our midfields fault that our defenders are not doing the basics of defending, like marking, tracking runners, winning headers, stepping out to play offside with a colleague five yards behind you The two battle hardened CB,s at Burton don’t seem to have a problem defending and not for one minute do I think they have better players than ours around them, and no doubt they have had to defend as much as our back four ..they just know how to defend and it’s pretty disgraceful that a club with limited resources with piss poor crowds is sitting higher than us in the league I think I would swap Brayford for Jones on present form Coaching... patterns... fitness... coherence... consistency We've all seen catastrophic mistakes. We've also seen wins and decent performances by the back five. Edun, Asiimwe and T.Watson have all played well at various times. Of course we might all name and shame individuals as a response to these mistakes / an emotional reaction to our disappointment if you will. But my proposition is that the coaching, recruitment, cohesion and fitness of our midfield has been sub par for some time. Today we got lucky. As Gary Player famously said: "the harder I work, the luckier I get" We can talk about swapping players to illustrate the issues. But fundamentally the SMT need to bring in the right head coach ASAP, Scott might need to add to our attacking options. And we need to see evidence of some f@cking hard work at the training ground during the week when we all roll up to The Valley next Saturday. I do actually agree the Midfield has been awful to and I know I’m repeating myself constantly but we do look a bit better when we have had Louie start in in games, at least in an attacking sense anyway. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 28, 2024 5:49:16 GMT
Coaching... patterns... fitness... coherence... consistency We've all seen catastrophic mistakes. We've also seen wins and decent performances by the back five. Edun, Asiimwe and T.Watson have all played well at various times. Of course we might all name and shame individuals as a response to these mistakes / an emotional reaction to our disappointment if you will. But my proposition is that the coaching, recruitment, cohesion and fitness of our midfield has been sub par for some time. Today we got lucky. As Gary Player famously said: "the harder I work, the luckier I get" We can talk about swapping players to illustrate the issues. But fundamentally the SMT need to bring in the right head coach ASAP, Scott might need to add to our attacking options. And we need to see evidence of some f@cking hard work at the training ground during the week when we all roll up to The Valley next Saturday. I do actually agree the Midfield has been awful to and I know I’m repeating myself constantly but we do look a bit better when we have had Louie start in in games, at least in an attacking sense anyway. Agree with you on Louis Watson we won more games when he was a starter earlier in the season |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 28, 2024 6:02:37 GMT
“Especially if you’re playing with two pivots like Dobson and Coventry or Dobson and Bakinson, he is the sort of player that you give license to roam, m8. Let’s be honest, going in 0-0 in the first half was more down to absolute luck than any defensive master stroke. I think there is a very good player in Watson; he just needs to be used correctly.”
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 28, 2024 6:04:37 GMT
Or preferably they go out this week and bring in a player to replace Fraser!! I don’t think we have time to fuck about and that includes bringing in a manager to settle the team.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 28, 2024 6:07:32 GMT
Or preferably they go out this week and bring in a player to replace Fraser!! I don’t think we have time to fuck about and that includes bringing in a manager to settle the team. Problem is will players join when we are in limbo manager wise. We need to confirm the manager quickly and bring in the quality we need before the deadline |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jan 28, 2024 9:24:22 GMT
The first goal was down to losing the ball in mid and the player skipping past a player without a challenge ..plus Gilly was the last defender .. second goal good strike by Hoskins who lost his marker ( not jones ) and had a free hit … so no he wasn’t .. As I have said previously fella you watch a completely different game to the rest of us and have an agenda for laying blame elsewhere away from players that you clearly rate Why do you think Jones was hooked at half time if as you say he was blameless for both Northampton goals and why do you think he was dropped for todays game…. Have a little think about that?His confidence is clearly shot to pieces after the mistakes he has made and him having to come on at halftime time after Tuesday nights calamities was not ideal for him or the team He will come good again. Felt for him yesterday, looked distraught, was man enough to admit it after the game. I was also glad that we grabbed the draw and a defeat wasn't put down to him. Suffering from.a complete lack of confidence and a constantly changing defence doesn't help.. I think he misses Big Hec... |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Jan 28, 2024 9:58:10 GMT
Fair play to Lloyd Jones, I’ve just seen the video of him apologising to our away end at full time for his mistake. Takes a big man to do that 👏 Agreed. He'll come good again. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 28, 2024 10:30:25 GMT
So that’s three goals in the last two games that were down to him….mainstay for years to come or liability 🤔🤔🤔🤔 The first goal was down to losing the ball in mid and the player skipping past a player without a challenge ..plus Gilly was the last defender .. second goal good strike by Hoskins who lost his marker ( not jones ) and had a free hit … so no he wasn’t .. Curtis Fleming was asked about Jones’ mistake yesterday, and why he had been dropped. I’d suggest that you have a listen to it, even if you can’t understand it. Fleming’s comments were a model of rationality and good sense. Of course Jones has made multiple errors in recent games. Fleming said he required a “re-set”. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 28, 2024 10:39:04 GMT
A top 6 budget with a team weak as piss sitting 18th in the league and churning through managers at 3 per season….. so far……. If I was the owners I would be looking very closely at other areas of our business rather than just rinse and repeating managers I know we probably wouldn’t be able to afford him but I would love Warnock to take us on as a final project, I am pretty sure he would get this squad playing to its potential and also discard the players who are clearly not good enough With all due respect, tell us something we don't know! You and others wish to "discard players who are clearly not good enough". But you said that last year, and the year before that. Perhaps time will tell whether this SMT are able to recruit a head coach plus a couple of players so as to ensure that our next win arrives fairly soon. In the meantime, why not celebrate the end of a three game losing streak and digest what this feels has to say about the game. Most of us would much rather listen to considered comments from somebody in the middle of this challenge rather than blame and scapegoating uttered with total assurance! www.charltonafc.com/news/fleming-players-worked-very-very-hardI always enjoy Auks posts, which are just the right combination of justified but measured criticism. Not everyone possesses your unique combination as a Charlton fans Kevin seriouslyred, the passion of a Maiden Aunt, combined with the waffling obfuscation of Magnus Pyke. It’s a sorry state of affairs when people are celebrating a draw against Blackpool 🤦♂️🎣 Thanks to Fleming, the battling qualities were better yesterday, but even Curtis himself admitted that our technical errors were still rife. Let’s see where we are against Derby. |
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Post by zhengsociety on Jan 28, 2024 11:08:38 GMT
Might be naivety on my part but I still believe Jones is a good player. He’s had a shocking run recently but I think there’s a lot going on contributing to that. He’s looked at his best when in a settled partnership/back 4 but it doesn’t feel like we’ve had that in the last few games. Add into that a constantly changing midfield and a kamikaze keeper who he clearly doesn’t trust and it becomes harder fr players to settle into patterns of play etc.
He’s having a stinker but he’s not someone I want to be moved on.
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Post by roburwash on Jan 28, 2024 11:35:43 GMT
Jones is a victim of this current obsession in football of thinking that you need to be playing elegant, cultured football at all times, no matter the situation nor the level of your skill. Even the top teams and the top defenders often get themselves into trouble as they play tippy tippy round the back. It's madness at our level, and in our position in the league, and with our level of talent to try to emulate the best teams and the best players who themselves sometimes make a mess of the tactic. Lloyd Jones' fault yesterday was that he doesn't have a "boot it into safety" mindset because it has been coached out of him by wannabe Guardiola managers and coaches.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 28, 2024 12:37:27 GMT
The owners believe it or not have Jones and Edun in their elite 8 list!!
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Post by roburwash on Jan 28, 2024 14:37:45 GMT
The owners believe it or not have Jones and Edun in their elite 8 list!! Presumably the owners have been informed who is on the list by Scott. I can't imagine they would have come to this decision by having watched us. |
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Post by se7tolu7 on Jan 28, 2024 19:48:12 GMT
Might be naivety on my part but I still believe Jones is a good player. He’s had a shocking run recently but I think there’s a lot going on contributing to that. He’s looked at his best when in a settled partnership/back 4 but it doesn’t feel like we’ve had that in the last few games. Add into that a constantly changing midfield and a kamikaze keeper who he clearly doesn’t trust and it becomes harder fr players to settle into patterns of play etc. He’s having a stinker but he’s not someone I want to be moved on. Not naive at all, all good players go through a sticky patch! He is playing alongside some god awful defenders so as soon as he has a bad one we will think he is 10 times worse! He will shake it off and come back to his original form! Jones and May have each been bright sparks in what has been a fucking god awful season! |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 28, 2024 19:53:15 GMT
Might be naivety on my part but I still believe Jones is a good player. He’s had a shocking run recently but I think there’s a lot going on contributing to that. He’s looked at his best when in a settled partnership/back 4 but it doesn’t feel like we’ve had that in the last few games. Add into that a constantly changing midfield and a kamikaze keeper who he clearly doesn’t trust and it becomes harder fr players to settle into patterns of play etc. He’s having a stinker but he’s not someone I want to be moved on. Not naive at all, all good players go through a sticky patch! He is playing alongside some god awful defenders so as soon as he has a bad one we will think he is 10 times worse! He will shake it off and come back to his original form! Jones and May have each been bright sparks in what has been a fucking god awful season! Regardless of the different formations and different players he has played with Jones has been guilty of some very basic poor defending which has resulted in goals against us, Burton away backing off and showing him the inside, Northampton trying to step up without checking to see Reg five yards behind him, marking fresh air when Hoskins had all the time in the world to pick his spot and then Saturday up at Blackpool, I could go on and on….. this is professional football and the guy has got to go back to doing the basics of defending ……its pretty straightforward |
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Post by jonkool on Jan 28, 2024 20:48:34 GMT
Not naive at all, all good players go through a sticky patch! He is playing alongside some god awful defenders so as soon as he has a bad one we will think he is 10 times worse! He will shake it off and come back to his original form! Jones and May have each been bright sparks in what has been a fucking god awful season! Regardless of the different formations and different players he has played with Jones has been guilty of some very basic poor defending which has resulted in goals against us, Burton away backing off and showing him the inside, Northampton trying to step up without checking to see Reg five yards behind him, marking fresh air when Hoskins had all the time in the world to pick his spot and then Saturday up at Blackpool, I could go on and on….. this is professional football and the guy has got to go back to doing the basics of defending ……its pretty straightforward Listened to a number of radio commentaries this weekend and I’ve noted ‘colour’ comments from ex pros stating that lower league players shouldn’t be trying to play out from the back as they are more liable to cock up and concede. This is very true for the likes of Jones Ness & co. Get it forward quickly and have forward players looking for the gaps in the opposing defence. |
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Post by 1978sussex on Jul 4, 2024 12:08:15 GMT
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 4, 2024 12:43:58 GMT
Looked decent to begin with and then made some poor defensive decisions which cost us goals and affected his confidence which resulted in him getting dropped…..decent player in there though and should benefit from having better defenders and a better keeper around him….. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jul 4, 2024 12:58:19 GMT
In my opinion, he deserves to start with a clean slate this coming season. He's also not a bad player to have as a backup either.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 4, 2024 13:30:04 GMT
Will be good to see him back, I rate him as a defender.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 4, 2024 14:35:48 GMT
If he's going to be included in the first team squad that might mean that we need one less centre half.
From memory we have:
Macaulay Gillesphey
Alex Mitchell
Rarmani Edmonds-Green
Josh Edwards (who can LCB, apparently)
Lloyd Jones
Lucas Ness may be sold, or loaned out
Zach Mitchell that I think will need to go out on loan again
That might leave more space in the squad for creative midfielders and, maybe, another striker.
I haven't forgotten that we need a first choice 'Keeper.
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jul 4, 2024 14:48:13 GMT
If he's going to be included in the first team squad that might mean that we need one less centre half. Based on the 'two players for each position' principle I suspect the following: LCB: Edwards, Gillesphey CB: NEW SINGING, Jones RCB: Alex Mitchell, REG Ness to be sold/moved on. Zach Mitchell you'd ordinarily assume another season loan, but this is the last year of his contract. I guess NJ will take a look at him in pre-season then make a decision. I think ZM will find it tough to break into our matchday squad though. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 4, 2024 15:09:44 GMT
If he's going to be included in the first team squad that might mean that we need one less centre half. Based on the 'two players for each position' principle I suspect the following: LCB: Edwards, Gillesphey CB: NEW SINGING, Jones RCB: Alex Mitchell, REG Ness to be sold/moved on. Zach Mitchell you'd ordinarily assume another season loan, but this is the last year of his contract. I guess NJ will take a look at him in pre-season then make a decision. I think ZM will find it tough to break into our matchday squad though. I suspect that the LCBs and RCBs could play in the middle so I would imagine that five for three positions would be enough. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 4, 2024 15:37:07 GMT
Based on the 'two players for each position' principle I suspect the following: LCB: Edwards, Gillesphey CB: NEW SINGING, Jones RCB: Alex Mitchell, REG Ness to be sold/moved on. Zach Mitchell you'd ordinarily assume another season loan, but this is the last year of his contract. I guess NJ will take a look at him in pre-season then make a decision. I think ZM will find it tough to break into our matchday squad though. I suspect that the LCBs and RCBs could play in the middle so I would imagine that five for three positions would be enough. Interesting that Jones played Thomas and Hector over REG and Gillesphey on occasions last season even though he had no intention of keeping them so you do wonder if REG and Gillesphey are his type of players…..🤔🤔 Ness will leave and Z Mitchell will go out on loan, the question here is does Jones have Edward’s earmarked for LCB or is he planning to use him solely to supplement Small if we go to a diamond and he puts Small on the left hand side of that I still think another experienced CB will come in….possibly either Bradley or Hutchinson….. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 4, 2024 15:41:00 GMT
I suspect that the LCBs and RCBs could play in the middle so I would imagine that five for three positions would be enough. Interesting that Jones played Thomas and Hector over REG and Gillesphey on occasions last season even though he had no intention of keeping them so you do wonder if REG and Gillesphey are his type of players…..🤔🤔 Ness will leave and Z Mitchell will go out on loan, the question here is does Jones have Edward’s earmarked for LCB or is he planning to use him solely to supplement Small if we go to a diamond and he puts Small on the left hand side of that I still think another experienced CB will come in….possibly either Bradley or Hutchinson….. You could look at it another way in that he was still assessing Thomas and Hector? Agree we need 1 more CB though. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 4, 2024 15:46:09 GMT
Interesting that Jones played Thomas and Hector over REG and Gillesphey on occasions last season even though he had no intention of keeping them so you do wonder if REG and Gillesphey are his type of players…..🤔🤔 Ness will leave and Z Mitchell will go out on loan, the question here is does Jones have Edward’s earmarked for LCB or is he planning to use him solely to supplement Small if we go to a diamond and he puts Small on the left hand side of that I still think another experienced CB will come in….possibly either Bradley or Hutchinson….. You could look at it another way in that he was still assessing Thomas and Hector? Agree we need 1 more CB though. Well after giving 60 odd goals away I don’t think Jones needed too much time to assess this……🤣🤣…..You have to wonder why REG hardly got a look in……..Jones seems to like a certain type of defender…..the type that could man the doors at Stringfellows….😀…..I am not so sure REG fits into this category…..🤔🤔🤔 |
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