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Post by aaronaldo on Jun 26, 2023 15:53:58 GMT
Fair bit of negativity around the couple of rumours, and fair enough, but it's always good to set expectations every year. We currently have 12 first team players including Thomas(and some who were on loan but don't seem likely to return), which leaves us an absolute minimum of 10 players to sign. We're not going to get 10 Championship-quality players as Reams has suggested we're interested in, but even if we get the six they're aiming for, it can't/won't happen until mid-late July at the earliest when we have control. There will of course need to be players who are there as backup, and I'd take Terell over Innis (or Tunnicliffe over Albie for that matter) any day. Facts are folks we will be signing a couple of people the similar standard to what we've seen recently because we don't really have a choice. There's no telling what players will still be available in a fortnight/months time so we have to start padding out now. If we end the window with a team of Terrel's and Tunnicliffe's then I'll join you in the pessimism, but let's try and be realistic about who we can target given our currently ownership situation and rebuild project. 13 with Isted and Thomas now I make it. That's not including any youth, despite some being first team regulars last year and I believe will be play significant parts this year as well. However, the below should give us a good idea of where we need to be recruiting and quickly!! GK’s
Maynard Brewer Isted DefendersEgbo Lavelle Thomas MidfieldersFraser Dobson Payne McGrandles Kirk CBT DJ Strikers (I'm optimistic with the plural use here) Aneke Youth (assume you're not counting these?) Ness Elewere Chinn Mitchell Henry (not sure he's really in Youth category anymore..) Campbell Kanu Leaburn |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jun 26, 2023 15:59:28 GMT
Fair bit of negativity around the couple of rumours, and fair enough, but it's always good to set expectations every year. We currently have 12 first team players including Thomas(and some who were on loan but don't seem likely to return), which leaves us an absolute minimum of 10 players to sign. We're not going to get 10 Championship-quality players as Reams has suggested we're interested in, but even if we get the six they're aiming for, it can't/won't happen until mid-late July at the earliest when we have control. There will of course need to be players who are there as backup, and I'd take Terell over Innis (or Tunnicliffe over Albie for that matter) any day. Facts are folks we will be signing a couple of people the similar standard to what we've seen recently because we don't really have a choice. There's no telling what players will still be available in a fortnight/months time so we have to start padding out now. If we end the window with a team of Terrel's and Tunnicliffe's then I'll join you in the pessimism, but let's try and be realistic about who we can target given our currently ownership situation and rebuild project. 13 with Isted and Thomas now I make it. That's not including any youth, despite some being first team regulars last year and I believe will be play significant parts this year as well. However, the below should give us a good idea of where we need to be recruiting and quickly!! GK’s
Maynard Brewer Isted DefendersEgbo Lavelle Thomas MidfieldersFraser Dobson Payne McGrandles Kirk CBT DJ Strikers (I'm optimistic with the plural use here) Aneke Youth (assume you're not counting these?) Ness Elewere Chinn Mitchell Henry (not sure he's really in Youth category anymore..) Campbell Kanu Leaburn Think Lavelle, Kirk and DJ will all leave by deadline day leaving us to replace them…. Hopefully with much better Depending on how Holden rates Payne and McGrandles these two could go also ….. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jun 26, 2023 16:43:51 GMT
13 with Isted and Thomas now I make it. That's not including any youth, despite some being first team regulars last year and I believe will be play significant parts this year as well. However, the below should give us a good idea of where we need to be recruiting and quickly!! GK’s
Maynard Brewer Isted DefendersEgbo Lavelle Thomas MidfieldersFraser Dobson Payne McGrandles Kirk CBT DJ Strikers (I'm optimistic with the plural use here) Aneke Youth (assume you're not counting these?) Ness Elewere Chinn Mitchell Henry (not sure he's really in Youth category anymore..) Campbell Kanu Leaburn Think Lavelle, Kirk and DJ will all leave by deadline day leaving us to replace them…. Hopefully with much better Depending on how Holden rates Payne and McGrandles these two could go also ….. Agreed - take the 21 mentioned above and hopefully add Hector then take out the five you mention and Aneke gives 16. Add six quality players via EPL loans, fees or free agents together with another four Academy graduates and that’s our squad until January 2024. So much depends upon the calibre of the recruits as well as how every individual kicks on over the next six months. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 26, 2023 16:46:21 GMT
He's ok as back up but we need much better. I'm not a believer of having back up players in the squad. I much prefer fringe players being good enough to challenge for a position. I'm not sure Thomas is. |
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Post by westwickhamaddick on Jun 26, 2023 16:47:05 GMT
Thomas could be one of those that signs on doesn’t really play and leaves in January . I’d offload Payne , does a bit of this and that but not good enough ultimately . Get rid with lavelle Kirk and DJ
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jun 26, 2023 16:59:13 GMT
Thomas could be one of those that signs on doesn’t really play and leaves in January . I’d offload Payne , does a bit of this and that but not good enough ultimately . Get rid with lavelle Kirk and DJ Yep my take on it also We ain’t getting in the top 6 with the players mentioned above |
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Post by se7sm on Jun 26, 2023 17:19:43 GMT
Thomas could be one of those that signs on doesn’t really play and leaves in January . I’d offload Payne , does a bit of this and that but not good enough ultimately . Get rid with lavelle Kirk and DJ Yep my take on it also We ain’t getting in the top 6 with the players mentioned above Couldn’t agree more with you, the free signings are our limit at this time as mentioned on here many times. Think it’s a matter of getting the numbers in as no other options until the takeover 😫 |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 26, 2023 17:35:12 GMT
I think we are likely to see Nathan Asiimwe and Jason Adigun come through from the u21's and u18's respectively so they could possibly added to teh squad.
Whatever journey this coming season takes us on, we can't carry the players I have coloured in red with us. They either don't fid or their heart just isn't in Charlton Athletcic Football Club. I've included Hector because I think he'll stay, I know for a fact SE7 want to ties him down on a 2-year-deal.
There's something I like about McGrandles. If he builds on how well he did at Cambridge on loan at the end if last season and gets a good pre-season under his belt, he could almost be like a new signing for us but that there is only room for him or Dobson in the same side.
As for Aneke, we are lumbered with him. Nobody is going to take a crock off our hands sadly, The contract he was given on his return was unforgiveable, worst business ever by the club.
Of the midfielders only Fraser and CBT are good enough.
GK’s
Maynard Brewer
Isted
Defenders
Egbo
Lavelle
Thomas
Hector
Ness
Midfielders
Fraser
Dobson
Payne
McGrandles
Kirk
DJ
Henry
Mitchell
Campbell
Blackett-Taylor
Strikers
Leaburn
Aneke
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jun 26, 2023 17:46:01 GMT
I think we are likely to see Nathan Asiimwe and Jason Adigun come through from the u21's and u18's respectively so they could possibly added to teh squad. Whatever journey this coming season takes us on, we can't carry the players I have coloured in red with us. They either don't fid or their heart just isn't in Charlton Athletci FDootball Club. I've included Hector because I think he'll stay, I know for a fact SE7 want to ties him down on a 2-year-deal. GK’sMaynard Brewer Isted DefendersEgbo LavelleThomas Hector Ness MidfieldersFraser Dobson PayneMcGrandles KirkCBT DJHenryMitchell Campbell Blackett-Taylor StrikersLeaburn AnekeThink judging by all the posts we all seem to be in agreement with this I would get Henry and Mitchell out on loan and get them playing regular football to see how they develop, can see Mitchell develop better than Henry in my opinion Might be wrong but I get the feeling we are lining up some quality deals but waiting on the new owner sign off as they will cost more than what the current owner wants to pay for recruits….. example we have just got in a new keeper probably on decent money paid for by the fee and the wages savings of Woolacott, Morgan and or Clare Think we will be playing catch up and won’t have our squad assembled properly until the summer window is over but I would prefer a decent quality squad late doors via the new owners recruitment team over a Gallen / MS squad put together quicker |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jun 26, 2023 18:13:12 GMT
I think we are likely to see Nathan Asiimwe and Jason Adigun come through from the u21's and u18's respectively so they could possibly added to teh squad. Whatever journey this coming season takes us on, we can't carry the players I have coloured in red with us. They either don't fid or their heart just isn't in Charlton Athletci FDootball Club. I've included Hector because I think he'll stay, I know for a fact SE7 want to ties him down on a 2-year-deal. GK’sMaynard Brewer Isted DefendersEgbo LavelleThomas Hector Ness MidfieldersFraser Dobson PayneMcGrandles KirkCBT DJHenryMitchell Campbell Blackett-Taylor StrikersLeaburn AnekeThink judging by all the posts we all seem to be in agreement with this I would get Henry and Mitchell out on loan and get them playing regular football to see how they develop, can see Mitchell develop better than Henry in my opinion Might be wrong but I get the feeling we are lining up some quality deals but waiting on the new owner sign off as they will cost more than what the current owner wants to pay for recruits….. example we have just got in a new keeper probably on decent money paid for by the fee and the wages savings of Woolacott, Morgan and or Clare Think we will be playing catch up and won’t have our squad assembled properly until the summer window is over but I would prefer a decent quality squad late doors via the new owners recruitment team over a Gallen / MS squad put together quicker Agreed that we appear aligned, perhaps with small differences. And due to various briefings, the received wisdom is that: The takeover ideally completed in July. We will see a new SMT including more on the technical football side - confirmed elsewhere. This leaves 5-6 weeks to bring in six quality additions as well as loan out those who need development / won't feature. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Jun 30, 2023 11:15:46 GMT
So as things stand assuming we play 4-3-3 again, I see us here - including depth: CBT(Campbell) - Leaburn(New) - New(New)
Fraser(New) - Dobson(New) - New(Henry)
New(Thomas) - Ness(New) - Hector(New) - Egbo(New)
Isted(AMB) Offload: Kirk, Payne, MacGrandles, Lavelle, Jayasemi, Aneke. Everybody I haven't included in this list are youth or I hope we offload. Think we're a fair way off a title challenging team, but hopefully once SE7 partners come in the players we sign will likely either walk into the first XI or else give some fierce competition for places. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jun 30, 2023 12:21:16 GMT
So as things stand assuming we play 4-3-3 again, I see us here - including depth: CBT(Campbell) - Leaburn(New) - New(New)
Fraser(New) - Dobson(New) - New(Henry)
New(Thomas) - Ness(New) - Hector(New) - Egbo(New)
Isted(AMB) Offload: Kirk, Payne, MacGrandles, Lavelle, Jayasemi, Aneke. Everybody I haven't included in this list are youth or I hope we offload. Think we're a fair way off a title challenging team, but hopefully once SE7 partners come in the players we sign will likely either walk into the first XI or else give some fierce competition for places. This makes it so, so clear as to who we need by the time the window shuts. I would add Elerewe as back up centre back, assuming he has kicked on after his loan. And there will be others coming up from the Academy who shouldn't be blocked with reserves. So six new signings? |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Jun 30, 2023 12:29:24 GMT
So as things stand assuming we play 4-3-3 again, I see us here - including depth: CBT(Campbell) - Leaburn(New) - New(New)
Fraser(New) - Dobson(New) - New(Henry)
New(Thomas) - Ness(New) - Hector(New) - Egbo(New)
Isted(AMB) Offload: Kirk, Payne, MacGrandles, Lavelle, Jayasemi, Aneke. Everybody I haven't included in this list are youth or I hope we offload. Think we're a fair way off a title challenging team, but hopefully once SE7 partners come in the players we sign will likely either walk into the first XI or else give some fierce competition for places. This makes it so, so clear as to who we need by the time the window shuts. I would add Elerewe as back up centre back, assuming he has kicked on after his loan. And there will be others coming up from the Academy who shouldn't be blocked with reserves. So six new signings? Good points, I like Elerewe but for me Ness still isn't a top L1 CB, he's good and promising, but our big issue the last couple of seasons has been leaking goals. With a strong back line you can get 3 points by converting a set piece or just breaking them down once, when you expect to concede 2 goals a game, you need experienced solid CBs. Thomas and Elerewe should be 4th/5th choice with a strong new CB of top L1/low Championship quality. Again with the academy I'm all for a route to the first team but I think our most urgent need is fielding the best XI possible, for every Leaburn you have 4-5 Charlie Bakers - good but not taking the league by storm. I think having Henry, Leaburn, Campbell and Ness is enough Academy progression for this team and should only rely on others in the case of multiple injuries. I'd like all of our new incoming players to be with the view of starting, the lad from Cambridge in CB is a good example of that, POTY for a half-decent team. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jun 30, 2023 14:48:53 GMT
This makes it so, so clear as to who we need by the time the window shuts. I would add Elerewe as back up centre back, assuming he has kicked on after his loan. And there will be others coming up from the Academy who shouldn't be blocked with reserves. So six new signings? Good points, I like Elerewe but for me Ness still isn't a top L1 CB, he's good and promising, but our big issue the last couple of seasons has been leaking goals. With a strong back line you can get 3 points by converting a set piece or just breaking them down once, when you expect to concede 2 goals a game, you need experienced solid CBs. Thomas and Elerewe should be 4th/5th choice with a strong new CB of top L1/low Championship quality. Again with the academy I'm all for a route to the first team but I think our most urgent need is fielding the best XI possible, for every Leaburn you have 4-5 Charlie Bakers - good but not taking the league by storm. I think having Henry, Leaburn, Campbell and Ness is enough Academy progression for this team and should only rely on others in the case of multiple injuries. I'd like all of our new incoming players to be with the view of starting, the lad from Cambridge in CB is a good example of that, POTY for a half-decent team. Agreed that for the starting XI we need a decent midfielder brought in plus replacing Rak-Sakyi. For 4-3-3 to work we need quality in terms of pace, precision and decision making. Typically we need two for each position or perhaps five for three midfield slots and five centre backs if Holden wants to play three at the back. So no weak links at the back. But Academy lads need to play so as to develop and learn. We can be sure that Holden and the rest will know their development path and at what point they might go out on loan for more game time. Most of us would have no clue as to where an 18 year old should be at 21. But the player, his agent and the coaching staff will know. As result of having a top ten Academy we tend to have around ten academy players in the squad. Not only way cheaper than 27 year old journeymen, but one a year often becomes extremely valuable. If Leaburn plays well up to Christmas then we can expect bids! For sure others such as Morgan don't kick on - it's up to the SMT to make these calls every window. Less mistakes, good calls and good player development will take us to the top six sooner or later. This will be our tenth season in League one since relegation in 2009. And every time we've had a top four budget. So finishing mid-table on three occasions is an epic fail! Can't wait for the takeover to be approved and the final six pieces drop into the puzzle. Expecting them to be decent simply due to decisions taken in the last window, the retained / released list and now Hector signing. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Jun 30, 2023 15:08:29 GMT
seriouslyredAll great points and agree with you on most of them. For me a good squad does include academy graduates but I think 3/4 is plenty, Leaburn, Ness, AMB and Campbell being far and away the best. The ideal situation for me would be Elerewe and Henry joining a team like Orient or possibly Port Vale to play the same level of football but we're not responsible for their mistakes. I don't think that will happen for what it's worth, I think we'll have all of our notable graduates in our squad next year for numbers and experience I just personally think that can cause a problem when you have too many learning on the job. I'd be interested to know if there's any stats around how many club-grown players have been in the matchday 18 for the last few promotion-winning sides.
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Post by valleyfaithful on Jun 30, 2023 18:42:40 GMT
Given today's business and seeing a few comments about playing 3-5-2 (which makes sense given our targets), I see us as: Leaburn(Kanu) - New(New)
Fraser(New)
CBT(Campbell) - Dobson(New) - New(Henry) - Egbo(New)
Jones(Thomas) - Ness(Mitchell) - Hector(Elerewe)
Isted(AMB) Still a bit too much reliance on youth, especially at CB I'd be very concerned if we had Thomas/Mitchell/Elerewe as our first choice CB for a month or more depending on injuries. Still the makings of a decent team but plenty hinges on the quality bought in through the window - this team is currently around mid-table for me, although the starting defence is looking solid. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 1, 2023 8:15:19 GMT
It will be interesting to see what formation Dean chooses today. The problem for me with 352 is the importance of the wing backs. CBT isn’t a wing back for example. Playing that role exposes his weaknesses in defending and weakens his attacking strengths.
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Post by revilo on Jul 1, 2023 10:12:20 GMT
Lavelle and Kirk seen in this video
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Post by seriouslyred on Jul 8, 2023 11:57:31 GMT
Given today's business and seeing a few comments about playing 3-5-2 (which makes sense given our targets), I see us as: Leaburn(Kanu) - New(New)
Fraser(New)
CBT(Campbell) - Dobson(New) - New(Henry) - Egbo(New)
Jones(Thomas) - Ness(Mitchell) - Hector(Elerewe)
Isted(AMB) Still a bit too much reliance on youth, especially at CB I'd be very concerned if we had Thomas/Mitchell/Elerewe as our first choice CB for a month or more depending on injuries. Still the makings of a decent team but plenty hinges on the quality bought in through the window - this team is currently around mid-table for me, although the starting defence is looking solid. So now we can add May upfront while Lavelle, who didn't feature under Holden, has left the club. And Leaburn out for an unspecified time. One in and one out every week between now and end August could leave us in a good place. If we are to play three at the back then we need genuine wing backs, as well as two quality midfield additions. Will be interesting to see the starting line up in just four weeks time. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 8, 2023 17:44:40 GMT
Still a very long way to go if we want to push on this year
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Post by se7sm on Jul 10, 2023 18:10:05 GMT
How times have changed really when you think the main assets of clubs are there players, yet reading the ins and outs of all the teams in this division the majority of the ins are free transfers from released squads.Not much money changing hands maybe just to many average players about , or probably not much money either. Just hope our budget when we get a proper one will allow us the squad we all desire
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 10, 2023 18:16:54 GMT
It does seem to be a year of a free. Are players running down their contracts in order to give themselves more/better options for their next clubs?
There’s so much money at the top of the game but far less as you go down. The gap between leagues is increasing exponentially year on year.
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Post by se7sm on Jul 10, 2023 18:24:11 GMT
It does seem to be a year of a free. Are players running down their contracts in order to give themselves more/better options for their next clubs? There’s so much money at the top of the game but far less as you go down. The gap between leagues is increasing exponentially year on year. yes of course players running contracts down can’t blame them , just got to be careful will the goose and the golden egg and all that . A thin line between staying afloat and sinking in these divisions |
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Post by vaangard on Jul 10, 2023 21:50:40 GMT
I think we are likely to see Nathan Asiimwe and Jason Adigun come through from the u21's and u18's respectively so they could possibly added to teh squad. Whatever journey this coming season takes us on, we can't carry the players I have coloured in red with us. They either don't fid or their heart just isn't in Charlton Athletcic Football Club. I've included Hector because I think he'll stay, I know for a fact SE7 want to ties him down on a 2-year-deal. There's something I like about McGrandles. If he builds on how well he did at Cambridge on loan at the end if last season and gets a good pre-season under his belt, he could almost be like a new signing for us but that there is only room for him or Dobson in the same side. As for Aneke, we are lumbered with him. Nobody is going to take a crock off our hands sadly, The contract he was given on his return was unforgiveable, worst business ever by the club. Of the midfielders only Fraser and CBT are good enough. GK’sMaynard Brewer Isted DefendersEgbo LavelleThomas Hector Ness MidfieldersFraser Dobson PayneMcGrandles KirkDJHenryMitchell Campbell Blackett-Taylor StrikersLeaburn AnekeAgree with your reds and choice of Mitchell in midfield. Need to add Asiimwe to defenders and perhaps Chin. Not sure Egbo needs more competition. I'd have Karoy Anderson in front of Adigun and I think DH agrees. Kanu not on your list and will get game time. Other kids in with a shout are Ladapo and Rylah (who is going to be a unit and soon will be played upfront) I think CH is covered even with 3 at back (anyone know what's happened to Toure?) but with Elewere added. We desperately need a LB/LWB and a target/off the shoulder physical type. |
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Post by ENdeavour on Jul 18, 2023 13:44:28 GMT
That’s 7 of a good starting 11 sorted:
Isted
Jones
Hector
Dobson
Camara
Fraser
May
Makes for a good spine to the team.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 18, 2023 13:46:44 GMT
That’s 7 of a good starting 11 sorted: Isted Jones Hector Dobson Camara Fraser May Makes for a good spine to the team. I think you could make a very good case for Ness to make that 8 He was consistently our best CB last season and it looks very likely that we will go 3-5-2 |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 18, 2023 14:49:23 GMT
How do you all see us lining up currently? I'm keen to see our team tonight against Gillingham. I'm still not 100% on how Dean wants to play. How he see's us going forwards and who he's considering in the wide positions.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 18, 2023 15:03:14 GMT
How do you all see us lining up currently? I'm keen to see our team tonight against Gillingham. I'm still not 100% on how Dean wants to play. How he see's us going forwards and who he's considering in the wide positions. Just more miles in the legs tonight, think Dean will look to get his Orient team in play in the last friendly against Aberdeen No point though giving run outs to the players who are gonna go though such as DJ and Kitk |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 18, 2023 15:12:06 GMT
How do you all see us lining up currently? I'm keen to see our team tonight against Gillingham. I'm still not 100% on how Dean wants to play. How he see's us going forwards and who he's considering in the wide positions. Just more miles in the legs tonight, think Dean will look to get his Orient team in play in the last friendly against Aberdeen No point though giving run outs to the players who are gonna go though such as DJ and Kitk Yeah I'm not expecting us to put out the strongest 11 or anything. Just see what system Dean is playing. I'm more of a fan of 4-3-3 if I'm honest. I felt we did better when we played that way last year. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 18, 2023 15:30:01 GMT
Just more miles in the legs tonight, think Dean will look to get his Orient team in play in the last friendly against Aberdeen No point though giving run outs to the players who are gonna go though such as DJ and Kitk Yeah I'm not expecting us to put out the strongest 11 or anything. Just see what system Dean is playing. I'm more of a fan of 4-3-3 if I'm honest. I felt we did better when we played that way last year. Think he will go 3-5-2 for the season IMO |
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