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Post by discocafc on Jun 20, 2023 7:58:50 GMT
We wanted rid of Curbs and he was sacked etc!
He was never sacked and Curbs wanted a break as he was shattered. If people read his book he said exactly this. Wish people would get their facts right!
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Post by earlpurple on Jun 20, 2023 8:05:46 GMT
Within a few months he joined West Ham as manager and although we beat them 4-0 at home they had Carlos Tevez in their team and he managed to keep them up whilst we went down, ourselves managed by Alan Pardew at that point who had been West Ham's manager the year before.
Even having gone down I don't think any of us predicted being so badly mismanaged that we'd have another relegation just 2 seasons later. He didn't stay there long though. West Ham had a relegation in 2011 but bounced straight back and have been in the Premier League for 11 seasons in a row now about to head for their 12th.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jun 20, 2023 8:13:39 GMT
There were a lot of calls for the club to push on and challenge for Europe. It was believed by some (quite a few) that Curbishley had taken us as far as he could. That was, probably, true but it was unrealistic for us to go any higher. Frankly, fans should have been more grateful.
For the record I was never in that camp I recognised that ‘just staying up’ was a massive achievement. Getting into the Premier League is very difficult and staying there is not much easier. Once established a club has a better than average chance of staying there but is always just one bad transfer window, or bad start (to a season) away from it all going horribly wrong. I think Curbishley knew this and wanted to leave us in the Premier League and join a club that could be taken to the next level.
Curbishley was never going to take us into Europe because he was more conservative and, dare I say it, realistic. It’s no surprise, to me, that when Dowie was brought in and given a lot of money to spend (for the time) it ended in relegation.
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Post by discocafc on Jun 20, 2023 8:18:07 GMT
There were a lot of calls for the club to push on and challenge for Europe. It was believed by some (quite a few) that Curbishley had taken us as far as he could. That was, probably, true but it was unrealistic for us to go any higher. Frankly, fans should have been more grateful. For the record I was never in that camp I recognised that ‘just staying up’ was a massive achievement. Getting into the Premier League is very difficult and staying there is not much easier. Once established a club has a better than average chance of staying there but is always just one bad transfer window, or bad start (to a season) away from it all going horribly wrong. I think Curbishley knew this and wanted to leave us in the Premier League and join a club that could be taken to the next level. Curbishley was never going to take us into Europe because he was more conservative and, dare I say it, realistic. It’s no surprise, to me, that when Dowie was brought in and given a lot of money to spend (for the time) it ended in relegation. My only issue with Curbs especially the last few seasons is by January we was around 8th/9th looking good but the last few games we were in a slump and dropped down the league but I never wanted Curbs gone. |
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jun 20, 2023 8:25:15 GMT
I think Curbs left at the right time. He was knackered, it was an aging side, he left a hero.
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Post by hertsaddick on Jun 20, 2023 9:46:28 GMT
I think Curbs left at the right time. He was knackered, it was an aging side, he left a hero. You are right. Remember him being interviewed on MOTD soon after he had taken over at West Ham. He looked like he had aged ten years and was burnt out. Really sad. |
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Post by huddy1978 on Jun 20, 2023 10:25:17 GMT
When we were in the Premier league it was only natural for fans to wish for bigger things.
Some fans were asking for a change but the majority of us wanted to push forward with Curbs in charge.
I agree I think he did want a fresh challenge (or a rest!) and the fans understood that, which is why he left a hero.
The only negative thing for me is our Cup record was poor.
It does wind me up as well when everyone says the fans forced him out, Paul Merson used to always say it, and it really pissed me off!.
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Post by ISawBogleScore on Jun 20, 2023 11:32:26 GMT
Curbs left at the right time, he did an amazing job for us but we had clearly hit the ceiling with him - not a criticism at all.
Curbs leaving was not the reason for our downfall, things would have been very different if our next manager had not been Sloth from the Goonies and our summer recruitment had some actual brains behind it instead of signing the useless Hasslebaink, Djimi Traore (who I still have nightmares about) et al - and remember we spent £1m on Simon Walton that summer.. remember him!
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Post by kings hill addick on Jun 20, 2023 11:45:04 GMT
Curbs left at the right time, he did an amazing job for us but we had clearly hit the ceiling with him - not a criticism at all. Curbs leaving was not the reason for our downfall, things would have been very different if our next manager had not been Sloth from the Goonies and our summer recruitment had some actual brains behind it instead of signing the useless Hasslebaink, Djimi Traore (who I still have nightmares about) et al - and remember we spent £1m on Simon Walton that summer.. remember him! Many of the signings made that summer had, reportedly, been on Curbishley's wanted list, including Traore. The squad was rather weak when he left which is why the style pf play was uninspiring that season, successful (in terms of keeping us up) but no fun to watch. Dowie was 'asked' to play a more expansive, attractive, style of football and we didn't have the players to do so, and to grind out results. I have no idea if I'd be happy if we were, still, in the Premier League, playing turgid football and getting to 40 (or 38) points and then falling off a cliff. I do, however, think that is, pretty, much the limit of what we can achieve. The odd season of success is possible if we have two or three very good (or lucky) transfer windows in succession - like Leicester did and Southampton have done. Long term, Charlton do not have the finances to consistently challenge for the top ten in the Premier League. Leicester and Southampton are good examples as they both achieved some success and are both back in the Championship. |
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Post by squareball on Jun 20, 2023 11:45:51 GMT
Outside the top 7 or 8 teams surviving the drop should be the aim. As fans that should also be the aim, stay up and next season watch some of the best players and outpoint 3 teams.
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Post by smudge7946 on Jun 20, 2023 16:18:41 GMT
Curbs never seemed himself after missing out on the England job to that Italian bloke whose name I've forgeten. The one with the glassed that didn't smash Ulkria Johnson.
Les Reid was in the background and provided stability to both the club and curbs.
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Post by garrynelson on Jun 20, 2023 16:55:03 GMT
Curbs never seemed himself after missing out on the England job to that Italian bloke whose name I've forgeten. The one with the glassed that didn't smash Ulkria Johnson. Les Reid was in the background and provided stability to both the club and curbs. Fabio Capello |
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Post by smudge7946 on Jun 20, 2023 17:07:45 GMT
Curbs never seemed himself after missing out on the England job to that Italian bloke whose name I've forgeten. The one with the glassed that didn't smash Ulkria Johnson. Les Reid was in the background and provided stability to both the club and curbs. Fabio Capello That's the chap. |
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Post by cedric on Jun 20, 2023 21:14:32 GMT
Richard Keys is a grade A fucktard and his opinion on Charlton is completely and utterly irrelevant. He’s just a silly misogynistic bellend.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jun 21, 2023 9:33:38 GMT
Richard Keys is a grade A fucktard and his opinion on Charlton is completely and utterly irrelevant. He’s just a silly misogynistic bellend. Come on Cedric, you are among friends here, tell us what you really think! |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jun 21, 2023 11:01:09 GMT
Whilst I don't like the guy, he is highlighting the issues with football club ownership in the Prem. a.k.a the PIF Premier League. Rumours Todd Boehly company who owns Chelsea is massively funded by PIF, who are now selling all their players to their Saudi league. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-saudi-pif-transfer-controversy-30269528And we thought the EFL OADT was bad! Football needs to tread carefully. Edit: PIF has already (just) taken over Golf. |
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Post by smudge7946 on Jun 23, 2023 6:31:12 GMT
Whilst I don't like the guy, he is highlighting the issues with football club ownership in the Prem. a.k.a the PIF Premier League. Rumours Todd Boehly company who owns Chelsea is massively funded by PIF, who are now selling all their players to their Saudi league. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-saudi-pif-transfer-controversy-30269528And we thought the EFL OADT was bad! Football needs to tread carefully. Edit: PIF has already (just) taken over Golf. The way the government and football hounded out a Russian born Israeli jew out of Chelsea was a racist act. Football and the kneeler should be ashamed of what happened. |
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