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Post by bexleyboy on Jun 3, 2023 14:40:22 GMT
What an absolute shocker VAR had there .. never a pen
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Post by valleydobson1 on Jun 3, 2023 16:05:52 GMT
Man city win it.
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Post by Mundell on Jun 3, 2023 21:23:35 GMT
What an absolute shocker VAR had there .. never a pen Couldn’t agree more. Decisions around handball have become completely farcical. There is absolutely no common sense judgement being made and when making decisions referees seem to forget what the law is trying to achieve. Here’s the law, ”HANDLING THE BALL For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence. It is an offence if a player: deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised scores in the opponents' goal: directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental” If a player deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm there is no difficulty obviously, though, as we know, “deliberate” hand ball is not very common in the modern game, so it’s with the second type of offence where controversy frequently arises. Handball will be awarded if a player “touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger”. The intention here is clear. It is to prevent a situation where a player holds their arms away from their body to increase the chances of blocking a pass, cross or shot and then claiming it was ball to hand and hence not an offence. However, instead of thinking about the law this way, referees, who are not allowed to exercise any real judgement, concentrate on trying to implement the letter of the law as they understand it and tie themselves in knots thinking about the unnatural position question. I doubt many, if any, neutrals who watch football regularly would think a penalty should have been awarded against Grealish. It was an absurd decision and if handball was the right decision based on a strict interpretation of the law, then the law clearly needs to be changed. The alternative is to cut through all of the attempts at nuance and simply state that if the ball hits the hand or arm an offence has been committed. At least then we’d all know where we stand. I’d note another feature of today’s penalty award. Once the referee went to the monitor to review the incident everyone in the Stadium knew he was going to award a penalty. In this situation the referee is in an almost impossible position and is extremely unlikely to ignore VAR’s ‘direction’. It would be much simpler to allow VAR to make the decision and dispense with the meaningless pretence that the referee is in charge and making all the decisions. |
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jun 4, 2023 8:44:30 GMT
I do remember at least one occasion where the referee stuck with his original decision though. Obviously the intention is for it to appear that the onfield referee has made the final decision.
The other side of the coin is that if the onfield ref doesn't go with VAR, which has had the benefit of Slowmos and replays, it fuels the argument about inconsisency.
Absolute minefield!
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