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Post by Mundell on Sept 5, 2022 10:32:33 GMT
Interesting if both Forster Caskey and Gilbey have these clauses in their contracts. I can just about understand why players would agree to this kind of arrangement, especially if they’re coming back from a serious injury, but I’d expect there to be some kind of good faith requirement requiring the club to select the player, or not, on merit so that the club can’t simply freeze the player out to save money. Whatever the contract says, if there’s any truth to these rumours then the club is behaving badly. It might even be guilty of restraint of trade. The sudden emergence of “the kids” in recent games may have more to do with senior squad players not being able to play, due to triggering clauses in their contracts. If that's true its completely outrageous.
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Post by earlpurple on Sept 5, 2022 10:39:09 GMT
Teams in League One and below who have played in the Premier League, the last time they were there and the number of seasons (i.e. since 1992): Bolton, 2012, 13 seasons Portsmouth, 2010, 7 seasons Derby, 2008, 7 seasons Charlton, 2007, 8 seasons Ipswich, 2002, 5 seasons Bradford City, 2001, 2 seasons Sheff Wed, 2000, 8 seasons Wimbledon, 2000, 8 seasons
Barnsley, 1998, 1 season Oldham Athletic, 1994, 2 seasons Swindon, 1994, 1 season
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 5, 2022 11:50:54 GMT
The sudden emergence of “the kids” in recent games may have more to do with senior squad players not being able to play, due to triggering clauses in their contracts. If that's true its completely outrageous. Is it? We were stuck with players such as Watson for an additional season because Bowyer chose to play them so often. Management need to make decent decisions about who plays today AND where they want the side to be in February and next August. And if that consists excluding certain players such that they can't trigger an extension clause then so be it. The obvious retort is that if results (and the squad) work out favourably then the right call is made. But the SMT have to make the decision now and not later. Put another way, we wouldn't be having this discussion if our midfield dominated and our set plays delivered a significant number of goals. But we are wondering what Gilbey has done wrong to be excluded, given he looked fairly sharp last Christmas.
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 5, 2022 11:56:24 GMT
What's the source of these clauses? Or is this just another fan rumour?
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Post by ashaddick on Sept 5, 2022 12:13:10 GMT
I’m founding CAPS. Coalition Against Plastic Skinflints But some feel sorry for him with the £8m loss.It can't be £8m loss this season?. I think he’s taken us all for CLUNTS….. Charlton Languishing Under Nefarious Thomas Sangaard..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 13:30:17 GMT
What's the source of these clauses? Or is this just another fan rumour? Ok - perhaps you’d like to share with us your own theory on why Forster Caskey has not played this season ? Just to be clear - the word is the club has to fork out if he makes an appearance on the pitch, and Garner has allegedly been made aware of this. Chin chin.
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 5, 2022 13:38:05 GMT
What's the source of these clauses? Or is this just another fan rumour? Ok - perhaps you’d like to share with us your own theory on why Forster Caskey has not played this season ? Just to be clear - the word is the club has to fork out if he makes an appearance on the pitch, and Garner has allegedly been made aware of this. Chin chin. So is it just your theory?
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 5, 2022 13:38:47 GMT
What's the source of these clauses? Or is this just another fan rumour? Ok - perhaps you’d like to share with us your own theory on why Forster Caskey has not played this season ? Just to be clear - the word is the club has to fork out if he makes an appearance on the pitch, and Garner has allegedly been made aware of this. Chin chin. I don't have a theory. I don't need to make a theory for every decision made at our club. It's a fan rumour then. Quite possibly true, but only a rumour for now. Let's see if Rich or others interview BG, TS, etc and ask the question.
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Post by Mundell on Sept 5, 2022 13:47:09 GMT
If that's true its completely outrageous. Is it? We were stuck with players such as Watson for an additional season because Bowyer chose to play them so often. Management need to make decent decisions about who plays today AND where they want the side to be in February and next August. And if that consists excluding certain players such that they can't trigger an extension clause then so be it. The obvious retort is that if results (and the squad) work out favourably then the right call is made. But the SMT have to make the decision now and not later. Put another way, we wouldn't be having this discussion if our midfield dominated and our set plays delivered a significant number of goals. But we are wondering what Gilbey has done wrong to be excluded, given he looked fairly sharp last Christmas. Yes, it’s completely outrageous!! Its sharp practice. It may even be a breach of employment law. In any event, as I said above, no player should sign such a contract without some kind of good faith clause. We can’t have it both ways. Both parties to a contract need to honour it, in good faith. Most of us thoroughly condemned Lyle Taylor for refusing to play during the extension to the 2019-20 season. What’s the difference? We don’t know the club is doing this, of course. I’d like to think they aren’t.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 5, 2022 23:40:00 GMT
Is it? We were stuck with players such as Watson for an additional season because Bowyer chose to play them so often. Management need to make decent decisions about who plays today AND where they want the side to be in February and next August. And if that consists excluding certain players such that they can't trigger an extension clause then so be it. The obvious retort is that if results (and the squad) work out favourably then the right call is made. But the SMT have to make the decision now and not later. Put another way, we wouldn't be having this discussion if our midfield dominated and our set plays delivered a significant number of goals. But we are wondering what Gilbey has done wrong to be excluded, given he looked fairly sharp last Christmas. Yes, it’s completely outrageous!! Its sharp practice. It may even be a breach of employment law. In any event, as I said above, no player should sign such a contract without some kind of good faith clause. We can’t have it both ways. Both parties to a contract need to honour it, in good faith. Most of us thoroughly condemned Lyle Taylor for refusing to play during the extension to the 2019-20 season. What’s the difference? We don’t know the club is doing this, of course. I’d like to think they aren’t. I hear you. And contracts are honoured as per the League rules. But also against the instincts of some fans who wish to bin the "dead wood". As fans we want to enjoy the game next Saturday and we really want to see performance and shape emerge... But some of us have an eye on the match day squad for Feb 2023 and August 2023. We want us to improve, and if certain players don't figure then so be it. Meanwhile I see a bonfire elsewhere with some fans alleging that those of us tipping in £500-1,000 per season are somehow at fault. Probably easier to run a commentary on the CoL / energy price crisis 😀
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Post by Mundell on Sept 6, 2022 7:53:42 GMT
Yes, it’s completely outrageous!! Its sharp practice. It may even be a breach of employment law. In any event, as I said above, no player should sign such a contract without some kind of good faith clause. We can’t have it both ways. Both parties to a contract need to honour it, in good faith. Most of us thoroughly condemned Lyle Taylor for refusing to play during the extension to the 2019-20 season. What’s the difference? We don’t know the club is doing this, of course. I’d like to think they aren’t. I hear you. And contracts are honoured as per the League rules. But also against the instincts of some fans who wish to bin the "dead wood". As fans we want to enjoy the game next Saturday and we really want to see performance and shape emerge... But some of us have an eye on the match day squad for Feb 2023 and August 2023. We want us to improve, and if certain players don't figure then so be it. Meanwhile I see a bonfire elsewhere with some fans alleging that those of us tipping in £500-1,000 per season are somehow at fault. Probably easier to run a commentary on the CoL / energy price crisis 😀 This isn’t about binning dead wood though. It’s simply about picking the team on merit - fielding the best team to win the next match. The implication of the rumour (and I’ll repeat, we don’t know it’s true and I hope it isn’t) is that this simple principle is being compromised. The implication is that if JFC, for example, would otherwise have been included in the First XI on merit, he’s excluded because the club would have to pay him more as per the contract both he and the club willingly signed. If that’s what’s happening it’s indefensible and a damning indictment of the club’s ethics, values and integrity. It’s for this reason that my intuition is not to believe the rumour.
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 6, 2022 16:52:21 GMT
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Post by revilo on Sept 6, 2022 17:03:44 GMT
I don't think Sandgaard would defy the law but I believe the other statements to be true. Steve Gallen has to be gone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 17:21:09 GMT
Well done for posting this reviloTies in exactly with what many fans are hearing about what’s going on under Ken & Barbie. It’s disgraceful.
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Post by revilo on Sept 6, 2022 17:29:12 GMT
Well done for posting this reviloTies in exactly with what many fans are hearing about what’s going on under Ken & Barbie. It’s disgraceful. valleydobson1 gets credit for this, he beat me to it
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Post by revilo on Sept 6, 2022 19:06:14 GMT
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Post by revilo on Sept 6, 2022 19:07:13 GMT
At least they applied instead of doing it illegally (if true about Sandgaard)
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Post by revilo on Sept 6, 2022 21:19:02 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 6, 2022 21:34:37 GMT
Had an email tonight confirming 100% that Steve Gallen is considering his options.
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Post by ingentingkanstoppaos on Sept 6, 2022 22:22:20 GMT
What's the source of these clauses? Or is this just another fan rumour? Ok - perhaps you’d like to share with us your own theory on why Forster Caskey has not played this season ? Just to be clear - the word is the club has to fork out if he makes an appearance on the pitch, and Garner has allegedly been made aware of this. Chin chin. If so, wtf did he get another contract? It does not make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 12:55:40 GMT
Well worth reading Rich Cawley’s report today on Wimbledon’s finances, it turns out they paid a “club record fee” for Josh Davison. Their fans claim the fee paid to us was £200,000.
But we still didn’t have the funds to buy a striker 🤐
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 13:05:40 GMT
Well worth reading Rich Cawley’s report today on Wimbledon’s finances, it turns out they paid a “club record fee” for Josh Davison. Their fans claim the fee paid to us was £200,000. But we still didn’t have the funds to buy a striker 🤐 Fab bit of business for us if true
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 13:08:16 GMT
Well worth reading Rich Cawley’s report today on Wimbledon’s finances, it turns out they paid a “club record fee” for Josh Davison. Their fans claim the fee paid to us was £200,000. But we still didn’t have the funds to buy a striker 🤐 Fab bit of business for us if true Fab bit of business for Sandgaard’s wallet. The team saw not a penny of it.
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Post by AndyB on Sept 8, 2022 13:28:30 GMT
Good bit of business to get shot of him , if we got a tenner for him even better!
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Post by manikin on Sept 8, 2022 13:58:38 GMT
Well worth reading Rich Cawley’s report today on Wimbledon’s finances, it turns out they paid a “club record fee” for Josh Davison. Their fans claim the fee paid to us was £200,000. But we still didn’t have the funds to buy a striker 🤐 Fab bit of business for us if true For who?
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Post by AndyAddick on Sept 10, 2022 12:20:22 GMT
Fab bit of business for us if true Fab bit of business for Sandgaard’s wallet. The team saw not a penny of it. Keeps the private jet ticking over !!
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 10, 2022 17:09:56 GMT
Fab bit of business for us if true Fab bit of business for Sandgaard’s wallet. The team saw not a penny of it. How many more times? The club loses between £1.5-2M per quarter. Player sales revenue goes in to offset this. Thus reducing but never eliminating the need for capital injections. More player sales make our club more investable. Only £200K but getting any cash for a player not good enough for us is decent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2022 19:11:33 GMT
Fab bit of business for Sandgaard’s wallet. The team saw not a penny of it. How many more times? The club loses between £1.5-2M per quarter. Player sales revenue goes in to offset this. Thus reducing but never eliminating the need for capital injections. More player sales make our club more investable. Only £200K but getting any cash for a player not good enough for us is decent. More player sales don’t make the club more investable ! You have always prioritised spreadsheets & Sqwarka over a competitive team. To quote the excellent Drinking During The Game blog from last week, “CAFC under Sandgaard is shrinking at a rate of knots”. Player sales make the club smaller, and less attractive. Gary Rowett is excellent tonight on why the free agents bargain bin is a waste of time. Comments to Rich Cawley. Perhaps revilo or Reams could post it. Rowett is bang on the money.
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Post by Mundell on Sept 10, 2022 19:23:21 GMT
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Post by ingentingkanstoppaos on Sept 10, 2022 21:11:23 GMT
Fab bit of business for Sandgaard’s wallet. The team saw not a penny of it. How many more times? The club loses between £1.5-2M per quarter. Player sales revenue goes in to offset this. Thus reducing but never eliminating the need for capital injections. More player sales make our club more investable. Only £200K but getting any cash for a player not good enough for us is decent. A seriously ridiculous comment, player sales makes us less attractive. The club is losing money, in a major part due to a f****** idiot owning it. You know this but it does not fit your message board pessoa. Five years ago I agreed to your meet for a coffee in Bromley still waiting. I missed the train going to Birmingham for your arranged meet. You owe me €50
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