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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 2, 2020 21:43:09 GMT
Gillingham was bad, Burton was embarrassing but tonight fell way short of what should be deemed as acceptable at our football club and it all starts with him. The team selection, the performance, everything was a disgrace tonight with some of those players just not worthy or the shirt.
Many will accept that we still exist, have a team and playing football every Saturday but we have seriously lost our way and once again it is starting to show that the majority of players brought in by Gallen are just not good enough and as the saying goes 'they were free for a reason'. OK the embargo affected us and we were late getting players in but the Levitt loan signing speaks volumes for me.
I can't watch anymore of his rubbish and before anybody says we are 4th in the table, let's be brutally honest, if a squad like ours can we in the top four then there is hope for everyone.
Other than kick fucking holes out of each other on the training ground I'm not sure what we work on based on that rubbish tonight. We go forward with one man, one man then kick it long and back it comes.
This isn't a knee jerk reaction, it's been coming for a while. Dress it up which ever way you like, fact is Bowyer should be held accountable for that tonight just like he should be for our last three or four games.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 22:00:09 GMT
Fuck off Bowyer spouting his Bullshit again.We was fucking awful. Dear God man
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Post by DFT on Dec 2, 2020 22:04:46 GMT
Sandgaard will be watching with interest. I wouldn't be surprised if he has his own men waiting in the wings.
Bowyer has a problem here in that Sandgaard gives a shit and he knows a bit about football.
Sandgaard is used to a results driven agenda. Promotion is the only option. He won't tolerate failure and I don't think he'll give Bowyer many chances.
Clock is ticking
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 22:05:46 GMT
Sandgaard will be watching with interest. I wouldn't be surprised if he has his own men waiting in the wings. Bowyer has a problem here in that Sandgaard gives a shit and he knows a bit about football. Sandgaard is used to a results driven agenda. Promotion is the only option. He won't tolerate failure and I don't think he'll give Bowyer many chances. Clock is ticking If we drop out the top 6 Bowyer will be gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 22:06:31 GMT
Can't disagree with any of that.
Unless LB can turn this slump around by the end of December Thomas Sandgaard should sack him and his support staff, and bring in a manager and coaches who can get the job done.
Ship out the lost causes in January and give the new manager the support he needs to get in the players he wants.
TS has made his expectations crystal clear.
He wants success and progress. If he isn't seeing it in for weeks time then he should take action.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 22:09:20 GMT
O dear Bowyer blaming the fans
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Post by baconsandwich on Dec 2, 2020 22:09:26 GMT
Very true DFT, he's a very successful man, because he reads the situation well before and will act decisively soon. Watch this space .... ☕
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Post by DFT on Dec 2, 2020 22:10:56 GMT
This is the first time Bowyer has had any real pressure.
Let's face it, Duchatelet left him to his own devices.
It's a whole different situation under Sandgaard, he'll be asking Bowyer what he intends to do about this alarming dip in form and he'll want to see results quickly.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 2, 2020 22:17:15 GMT
Not blowing smoke up my own arse, don't need to, Scott Fraser did all my talking for me tonight but how can a fan warn about a player and the damage he can do and state exactly what will happen 24 hours before the game then see our starting line up tonight and say 100% why it will happen when we are supposed have people at the club watching opponents? They are paid for doing it FFS!!
One win in four games against Ipswich reserves should raise for concerns for the owner. If he's on my wavelength he'll have to think very carefully and do what needs doing, if he decides to, by January 1st.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 22:17:40 GMT
I was there tonight and those comments take the absolute piss. Many of the fans were children and elderly, those of us in 'prime' ages were vocal, sang his song a few times and it was loud enough for him to wave. We created absolutely nothing, dominated top to bottom. Gunter couldn't handle Morris, Jerome and Fraser had 15yrds of pace to break into every time and Keogh had Bogle in his pocket.
Like I said the last few games, we had half the team out of position. Watson was our only holding midfielder and as tidy as he is on the ball, he's not good enough alone defensively. These teams are attacking the right, Watson comes over to cover and it's sprayed out to the left, Purrington left 1 on 1 and he's simply not good enough.
Maddison is the laziest bastard I've seen him years, I gave him some stick at the end for not gambling on Chuks knockdown and he looked my way so at least he heard it.
Bowyer gets my blame here, Barker needed to start today with Pratley helping Watson in midfield. We're starting with a CM playing RM (Albie), Shinnie who is attacking playing deep, Washigton playing LW when he only seems able to play the way he's facing and Bogle who for all his efforts had no help around him and barely won a header.
Disgusting performance and comments from Bowyer, really pissed off and for the first time, would barely care if he was replaced.
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Post by newyorkaddick on Dec 2, 2020 22:21:57 GMT
I doubt he will last much longer than Xmas - like many I am sure I've seen every minute of the season and we are bang average.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 2, 2020 22:22:48 GMT
I was there tonight and those comments take the absolute piss. Many of the fans were children and elderly, those of us in 'prime' ages were vocal, sang his song a few times and it was loud enough for him to wave. We created absolutely nothing, dominated top to bottom. Gunter couldn't handle Morris, Jerome and Fraser had 15yrds of pace to break into every time and Keogh had Bogle in his pocket. Like I said the last few games, we had half the team out of position. Watson was our only holding midfielder and as tidy as he is on the ball, he's not good enough alone defensively. These teams are attacking the right, Watson comes over to cover and it's sprayed out to the left, Purrington left 1 on 1 and he's simply not good enough. Maddison is the laziest bastard I've seen him years, I gave him some stick at the end for not gambling on Chuks knockdown and he looked my way so at least he heard it. Bowyer gets my blame here, Barker needed to start today with Pratley helping Watson in midfield. We're starting with a CM playing RM (Albie), Shinnie who is attacking playing deep, Washigton playing LW when he only seems able to play the way he's facing and Bogle who for all his efforts had no help around him and barely won a header. Disgusting performance and comments from Bowyer, really pissed off and for the first time, would barely care if he was replaced. The geezer is delusional mate. I see players uncapable of any improvement and a manager out of his depth in knowing his best team and how to play them. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Dec 2, 2020 22:45:23 GMT
Can't disagree with any of that. Unless LB can turn this slump around by the end of December Thomas Sandgaard should sack him and his support staff, and bring in a manager and coaches who can get the job done. Ship out the lost causes in January and give the new manager the support he needs to get in the players he wants. TS has made his expectations crystal clear. He wants success and progress. If he isn't seeing it in for weeks time then he should take action. Slump  2 defeats in 11 Come on over reaction if ever I have read it |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 22:47:31 GMT
Can't disagree with any of that. Unless LB can turn this slump around by the end of December Thomas Sandgaard should sack him and his support staff, and bring in a manager and coaches who can get the job done. Ship out the lost causes in January and give the new manager the support he needs to get in the players he wants. TS has made his expectations crystal clear. He wants success and progress. If he isn't seeing it in for weeks time then he should take action. Slump 2 defeats in 11 Come on over reaction if ever I have read it It is a slump, it's not just about losing it's the lack of fight and creativity. When you have players like Gilbey, Washington, Shinnie, Maddison, Watson in your side you should at the very least be creating chances. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 2, 2020 22:50:20 GMT
Can't disagree with any of that. Unless LB can turn this slump around by the end of December Thomas Sandgaard should sack him and his support staff, and bring in a manager and coaches who can get the job done. Ship out the lost causes in January and give the new manager the support he needs to get in the players he wants. TS has made his expectations crystal clear. He wants success and progress. If he isn't seeing it in for weeks time then he should take action. Slump 2 defeats in 11 Come on over reaction if ever I have read it Oh shut up you madman. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 22:51:12 GMT
Bexleyboy do you think Sandgaard would risk the chance. Of us slipping out the top 6 now we are there?.No he won't ,if Bowyer turns it around great but don't ever think Sandgaard will not pull the trigger.
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Post by discocafc on Dec 2, 2020 22:59:17 GMT
Wasn’t impressed with Bowyers tactics tonight at all and I’m still a fan of his.
Blaming the fans as well is disappointing as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 23:06:45 GMT
If people aren't pissed off enough, take a look at the MANY comments Bowyer directed at us: t.co/OjkiA4SREp?amp=1I repeat, 2000 fans, 1.5 hours before kick off, many kids/older people, still sung loud enough for him to wave, players did nothing and he spends four quotes aiming shit missiles at us - I've always been behind LB but he's losing me. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 2, 2020 23:09:34 GMT
When we play at home we need those fans to be positive and pick the lads up when it’s not going so well.
Fuck me, I know he's a bit of a gormless fucker but that's the manager's job before anyone's so the prick is just shirking responsibility there. Just fuck him off Thomas, bloke's clueless.
Why sing with a mask on? Dickhead.
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Post by earlpurple on Dec 2, 2020 23:12:31 GMT
not just about losing it's about being completely outplayed by teams near the bottom of the table, quite a few games.
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Post by bexleyboy on Dec 2, 2020 23:14:22 GMT
Bexleyboy do you think Sandgaard would risk the chance. Of us slipping out the top 6 now we are there?.No he won't ,if Bowyer turns it around great but don't ever think Sandgaard will not pull the trigger. We were not expected to be too 6 now .. so we are already above expectations, so no TS will not part with Bowyer at least till this time next year if we are still in league one and not in top 6 then |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 23:16:12 GMT
Exactly I can take a defeat any day of the week.If we have put everything on the line but to lose without even turning up.Is and always will be unacceptable
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Post by bexleyboy on Dec 2, 2020 23:16:22 GMT
Slump 2 defeats in 11 Come on over reaction if ever I have read it It is a slump, it's not just about losing it's the lack of fight and creativity. When you have players like Gilbey, Washington, Shinnie, Maddison, Watson in your side you should at the very least be creating chances. We did when Maddison came on , Gilby had a very good first half and Washington was impressive ,not Watson job to create and Shinnie we don’t know what the problem was |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 23:17:37 GMT
Bexleyboy do you think Sandgaard would risk the chance. Of us slipping out the top 6 now we are there?.No he won't ,if Bowyer turns it around great but don't ever think Sandgaard will not pull the trigger. We were not expected to be too 6 now .. so we are already above expectations, so no TS will not part with Bowyer at least till this time next year if we are still in league one and not in top 6 then Bexleyboy you have to take your chances while they are there.Thats why Sandgaard is a successful business man. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Dec 2, 2020 23:18:14 GMT
not just about losing it's about being completely outplayed by teams near the bottom of the table, quite a few games. It’s not outplayed its they counter our system which is what MK done tonight , look at the way they played had 4 wide men at all times |
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 2, 2020 23:33:55 GMT
What fucking system? We didn't have one FFS!! Beaten by a footballing side, 4th place flatters us. Bowyer out!!
TS has ears and eyes everywhere. Bowyer no longer has a place to hide, RD wasn't bothered, Sandgaard is and he has spent millions already and rest assured it wasn't to get some of the negative feedback he'll be getting tomorrow and the days ahead.
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 3, 2020 3:03:32 GMT
Put bluntly, anybody watching us this season who believes we are a top four side doesnt understand the randomness of it all. And that we are lucky to be top six.
The decision is all about what's left this season and who manages the January window and let us be very clear: the owner and technical director watch the same games. Plus they have access to replays and expert analysis of moves and stats.
Bowyer might be able to use the rest of December to shift things with Maatsen and Famewo back but our problems are in the front six.
For sure Pratley getting back to midfield will help but just what is our best team and tactics?
Not watched Bowyer's post match interview but he doesn't appear to have any clarity. Again Sandgaard and Roddy can steer this at a pace of their choosing!
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Post by lungers on Dec 3, 2020 5:07:52 GMT
Embarrassing performance. Watson and Gilbey haven't impressed me at all so far. Washington gives me Simon Church vibes as well. MK Dons best player was Fraser, a midfielder available on a FREE who they signed to replace an anonymous Gilbey.
As for Bowyer's post match comments... Fuck off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 6:13:32 GMT
I'm not calling for LB to be sacked.
Neither am I going to dish out any abuse to him, though I can understand why some other fans feel they have to.
But I accept that TS may have to replace Bowyer soon, in order to maximise our chance of promotion this season.
I'm insulated from most of the hurt of last night's performance (and the one against Burton) because I did not watch the streams or go to the Valley. What I know of those games comes from reading forum reactions and the BBC match update web pages.
What I can see happening (so far) is a pattern similar to that of last season.
A very good start - once we had the new TS era signings - but a slump in form around match 10, which has seen 4 points taken from a possible 12. The Ipswich result and performance was a good one, but very few are claiming that for the other three games (Gillingham, Burton & MK Dons) we got less than we deserved.
As other members have pointed out already, TS is not like RD or ESI.
Lee Bowyer is not going to be virtually ignored and left to his own devices anymore.
I'll always be proud and grateful to LB for the 2018-19 season and the Wembley Final. But if he has lost his way now, Thomas Sandgaard should take decisive action.
The future of our Club over the next decade is a bigger consideration than any one person, or one group of coaches.
TS has been crystal clear. He wants promotion this season.
I would love that to happen with Bowyer as our gaffer. I thought he had potential to put himself up there among the best Charlton managers in our history.
But unfortunately it's beginning to look like I was wrong.
None of the best managers in our history has a relegation from the 2nd tier on their record.
It isn't too late for LB to turn things around, but time is running out.
Will Thomas Sandgaard be willing to trust Bowyer & Gallen with the January transfer window if Charlton fall away from the top 6 between now and the end of 2020?
I doubt it.
Bowyer blaming the fans for yesterday's failure is also a poor reaction and a big mistake in my view.
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Post by revilo on Dec 3, 2020 6:34:43 GMT
The morning after...still gobsmacked at Bowyer's comments about the fans. We sang loud and proud but when the team you follow aren't playing well, are you expected to sing?! And on top of that we were all 3 seats apart from eachother so it's hard to create that atmosphere.
Had the performance been that not of replicating the Sunday football league, there would have been plenty of noise.
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