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Post by 1978sussex on May 24, 2020 20:00:40 GMT
WelshValley said:
As a Welshman I would be delighted if this is true. He took Swansea from the verge of bankruptcy to the Premier League and even into Europe. That is the perfect CV for us right now.
5 years ago he was a hero at Swansea. It only went wrong for him when he sold to the yanks.
He 100% has the experience, pedigree and contacts to be a proper chairman, the sort we need.
Have to wait see the deal and who else is involved before final judgement but this is potentially the best news (if true of course) we have had for a very long time.
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Post by Mundell on May 24, 2020 20:00:54 GMT
Not really sure if Huw Jenkins is goid news for us or not. I have always been led to believe that he is a decent man, a footballing man but living in Wales and having as many mates who support Swansea as I do Cardiff, I have had a few messages in the last hour or so, some of which are concerning. Firstly he is big pals with Graham Jones, the Luton manager who not long ago unexpectedly resigned. Secondly while at Swansea he had a huge bust up with Pratley. Finally there are quite a few Swans fans who think he is bad news, capable of fucking us right over. Surely not another one. Not what I have heard. Personally I would have Adolf Hitler and Vlad the Impaler over Southall and Nimer. Vlad the Impaler?! Blimey. Not sure I’d go quite that far! |
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Post by canterburyaddick on May 24, 2020 20:28:32 GMT
Hi all. Long time reader, first time poster. Reams is spot on to raise questions about Jenkins' time at Swansea - especially the circumstances surrounding his departure. I have a few Swans-supporting mates and they're all fairly ambivalent about his time at the club. He certainly left under a dark cloud. Selling the club to American investors didn't go down well, and there are mumblings about a few dodgy deals under his tenure. But, he did oversee the club's rise from the third to the first tier, and compared to Slater/Jiminez, Duchatelet and Southall/Nimer, he's got a pretty decent pedigree. Not huge competition there, I know, but Jenkins (along with several other money men) did pump a significant amount of money into the the club he grew up supporting, winning a hat full of awards for his chairmanship along the way. This has to be a significant tick in the positive column. Especially, if we're to believe a few scattered reports in the press, considering the Cellino and Bassini-shaped vultures circling the carcass of the club in recent weeks. Don't get me wrong - I'm not completely won over. If the last ten years have taught us anything, it's caution. But, it's pretty clear that something's got to give, and if it's a choice between Jenkins, Cellino and Bassini? I would say there's not much of a choice there. I just hope Jenkins brings some investors with deep pockets. As always, the next few weeks'll be interesting. Great post mate, welcome to ITTV. Yep, good first post mate. Always a good idea to treat all owners with a dose of healthy cynicism.I'm sure we'll hear more from you unlike ffs who'll won't be around long at this rate. |
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Post by bexleyboy on May 24, 2020 20:52:18 GMT
Hi all. Long time reader, first time poster. Reams is spot on to raise questions about Jenkins' time at Swansea - especially the circumstances surrounding his departure. I have a few Swans-supporting mates and they're all fairly ambivalent about his time at the club. He certainly left under a dark cloud. Selling the club to American investors didn't go down well, and there are mumblings about a few dodgy deals under his tenure. But, he did oversee the club's rise from the third to the first tier, and compared to Slater/Jiminez, Duchatelet and Southall/Nimer, he's got a pretty decent pedigree. Not huge competition there, I know, but Jenkins (along with several other money men) did pump a significant amount of money into the the club he grew up supporting, winning a hat full of awards for his chairmanship along the way. This has to be a significant tick in the positive column. Especially, if we're to believe a few scattered reports in the press, considering the Cellino and Bassini-shaped vultures circling the carcass of the club in recent weeks. Don't get me wrong - I'm not completely won over. If the last ten years have taught us anything, it's caution. But, it's pretty clear that something's got to give, and if it's a choice between Jenkins, Cellino and Bassini? I would say there's not much of a choice there. I just hope Jenkins brings some investors with deep pockets. As always, the next few weeks'll be interesting! Is it just me, or does the fact that Swansea fans only real gripe with this Jenkins guy is that he sold out to American investors only prove that actually they must have adored Jenkins himself? Just sums up football fans ... this bloke took them from league 2 to prem spending good money on players on the way and also taking them into a brand new stadium Now we have Charlton fans already trying to find things wrong with him so they continue this negative approach ... he was to Swansea what Richard Murray was to Charlton ... |
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Post by norfolkrobin on May 24, 2020 22:28:07 GMT
They loved him till he sold club to americans they never forgiven him since I don't have any extensive swansea knowlege history haha(I only try to keep up to date with one clubs day to day obviously) but is this due in some part for the Americans installing Bob Bradley and Swansea's drop from the top table? I'm not saying it's as cut and dry as that,but do you think they partly hold him accountable? |
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Post by zenga on May 24, 2020 23:33:36 GMT
Why it could be no coincidence that Huw Jenkins buys Charlton ... (I posted chunks of this back in december).
- In 2002 John van Zweden (Dutch, a convicted ADO The Hague hooligan) buys Swansea shares and saves together with others Swansea.
- Huw Jenkins becomes Swansea Chairman. Until today John van Zweden plays an important role behind the scenes at ADO The Hague.
- In 2016 John van Zweden sells his Swansea shares and becomes a millionaire, a deal facilitated by Huw Jenkins.
- In december 2019 Sheikh Mohammed Al Nahyan his guy (Tahnoon Nimer) buys Charlton Athletic.
- Tahnoon Nimer makes an IG post with the location tag being The Hague (Spoorwijk).
- The next morning ADO The Hague announces the appointment of 2 ex-Charlton Managers (Alen Pardew & Chris Powell). A deal made possible by John van Zweden (this topic was extensively discussed in the Dutch media, e.g. TV Show "Voetbal Inside").
- Mohammed Hamdi was appointed as the ADO The Hague CEO in the summer of 2019; Mohammed Hamdi was until recently a Director at Al Jazira in Abu Dhabi.
- Al Jazira is a club controlled by the Al Nahyan family where Sheikh Mohammed Al Nahyan is listed on the board of directors, so is Sheikh Mansour (Man City owner). It turns out that there are no less than 9 official complaints filed against Al Jazira at the FIFA for not paying. I refer e.g. to this document, which is a ruling from the TAS (CAS) in a dispute between Cardiff and Al Jazira, over GBP 250k.
- There was a picture taken with Nimer & Hamdi and the ex-Charlton managers in The Hague (from the day before the announcement of their appointments). A source puts John van Zweden at that meeting.
- In May 2020 Huw Jenkings buys Charlton ...
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 0:53:01 GMT
Huw Jenkins was in contact with some wealthy Arabs last year about buying back Swansea. Wonder if his persuaded them into investing in Charlton.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 5:15:20 GMT
Thanks for that zenga very interesting. |
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Post by reamsofverse on May 25, 2020 6:09:18 GMT
Take it from me, zenga knows his stuff.
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Post by reamsofverse on May 25, 2020 6:18:28 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on May 25, 2020 6:30:28 GMT
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Post by thevalleybest on May 25, 2020 6:40:45 GMT
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Post by 1978sussex on May 25, 2020 7:40:52 GMT
He tryed to buy club back from Americans but fell throught as wanted way to much money
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Post by 1978sussex on May 25, 2020 7:47:22 GMT
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Post by 1978sussex on May 25, 2020 7:47:50 GMT
He also tryed buying Blackpool
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Post by thevalleybest on May 25, 2020 7:52:20 GMT
1978 wonder what kind of money is behind Jenkins?.
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Post by 1978sussex on May 25, 2020 7:52:27 GMT
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Post by thevalleybest on May 25, 2020 7:55:15 GMT
Can't see RD getting £50m?.
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Post by 1978sussex on May 25, 2020 8:02:14 GMT
Deal has been agreed 55 million same as esi did with rd over 5 years he will bring hes money men with him like he did at swsnsea according to alan nixion
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Post by 1983 on May 25, 2020 8:07:57 GMT
Swansea City Fan here with a watered down version of our recent clubs history and I'm sure plenty more SCFC fans could go into a lot more detail Jenkins & Co were a bunch of small time businessmen and all Swansea City fans through & through that is the only 100% truth of what happened at the club the rest they say "there's 3 sides to every story" Swansea City football trust (the fans) owned 22% rest was owned and sprinkled over the rest below Jenkins a bankrupt roofer Dineen owned vending machines Morgan travel agent , hotel owner Van Zweden DIY shop owner in The Hague And a few more small randoms (Yes one was a well known Dutch ex-hooligan who had Swansea connections, also apparently in the distant past Jenkins was no angel either). Hats off to each and everyone of one of them this was a proper rags to riches story and without the shrewd,wheeling dealing things that went on behind the scenes and a massive massive dollop of luck we wouldn't have had those fantastic days in the sun. But it's just the way they sold out is what sticks in half of the Swansea City fans throats, for a club our size we were never going to get any bigger or better than we were. The board had had their days on the top table with the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Valencia..etc and SCFC were valued at about £100 million so they went into self preservation mode and started thinking about themselves not the club so Jenkins & Co with the trust in Jenkins pocket (another story) went out to sell the dream to any tom, dick, or yank. And that's what they did sold (conned) a bunch of other small time mugs who had nothing to put into the club but were looking to take out rather than put in hence we are now mid championship. As I said they were/are Swansea City through and through and did that to something they love  what would they do to you? |
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Post by thevalleybest on May 25, 2020 8:08:26 GMT
Deal has been agreed 55 million same as esi did with rd over 5 years he will bring hes money men with him like he did at swsnsea according to alan nixion Roland would want a down payment?,unlike nothing from Nimer and Southall. |
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Post by 1978sussex on May 25, 2020 8:15:14 GMT
According to Nixon it excatley same deal as esi had as rd changed it and Jenkins is due to pay first installment in June-july
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Post by cafcjack83 on May 25, 2020 8:22:16 GMT
Swansea City Fan here with a watered down version of our recent clubs history and I'm sure plenty more SCFC fans could go into a lot more detail Jenkins & Co were a bunch of small time businessmen and all Swansea City fans through & through that is the only 100% truth of what happened at the club the rest they say "there's 3 sides to every story" Swansea City football trust (the fans) owned 22% rest was owned and sprinkled over the rest below Jenkins a bankrupt roofer Dineen owned vending machines Morgan travel agent , hotel owner Van Zweden DIY shop owner in The Hague And a few more small randoms (Yes one was a well known Dutch ex-hooligan who had Swansea connections, also apparently in the distant past Jenkins was no angel either). Hats off to each and everyone of one of them this was a proper rags to riches story and without the shrewd,wheeling dealing things that went on behind the scenes and a massive massive dollop of luck we wouldn't have had those fantastic days in the sun. But it's just the way they sold out is what sticks in half of the Swansea City fans throats, for a club our size we were never going to get any bigger or better than we were. The board had had their days on the top table with the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Valencia..etc and SCFC were valued at about £100 million so they went into self preservation mode and started thinking about themselves not the club so Jenkins & Co with the trust in Jenkins pocket (another story) went out to sell the dream to any tom, dick, or yank. And that's what they did sold (conned) a bunch of other small time mugs who had nothing to put into the club but were looking to take out rather than put in hence we are now mid championship. As I said they were/are Swansea City through and through and did that to something they love what would they do to you? I think think most of us would happy with Mid table in the Championship right now considering, thanks for your thoughts 😁 |
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Post by AndyAddick on May 25, 2020 8:25:38 GMT
Al Nayha's are behind this , we can live in hope cant we :-) |
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Post by thevalleybest on May 25, 2020 8:35:22 GMT
Don't think billions are behind Jenkins.
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Post by jonkool on May 25, 2020 8:35:38 GMT
Al Nayha's are behind this , we can live in hope cant we :-) That’s all we have Andy! Either we become a rich man’s plaything or a chancer’s scam vehicle. Having said that RD will be happy either way. |
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Post by ashaddick on May 25, 2020 8:36:17 GMT
Not really sure if Huw Jenkins is goid news for us or not. I have always been led to believe that he is a decent man, a footballing man but living in Wales and having as many mates who support Swansea as I do Cardiff, I have had a few messages in the last hour or so, some of which are concerning. Firstly he is big pals with Graham Jones, the Luton manager who not long ago unexpectedly resigned. Secondly while at Swansea he had a huge bust up with Pratley. Finally there are quite a few Swans fans who think he is bad news, capable of fucking us right over. Surely not another one. Not what I have heard. Personally I would have Adolf Hitler and Vlad the Impaler over Southall and Nimer. I understand your angst with Adolf but surely not Vlad, you can’t knock a man for his hobby. 😂 |
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Post by Mundell on May 25, 2020 8:49:33 GMT
I posted the following comment on the 4th April. I've highlighted in bold the key sections.
“A number of former directors have an aggregate of £7m in loans which are repayable if the club reaches the Premier League at some point in the future. They are not repayable otherwise.
These loans are secured on the assets of the ‘club’. I assume there were two reasons they insisted on this security. First, as protection in the event the club reneged on its commitment and, second, to ensure they were repaid if the club was wound up.
The key to the dispute, as I understand it, lies in the question of what is meant by ‘club’. While it’s true that Staprix (Duchâtelet) now has charges on the assets of Charlton Athletic Football Company Ltd.(CAFC), it’s not clear why that would be an issue. Duchâtelet’s loans should be subordinated to those of the former directors (i.e. behind them in the queue if the club is wound up) and if there is any ambiguity about this it ought to be relatively easy to resolve.
What’s potentially much more problematic is the fact that the directors’ loan agreement almost certainly didn’t envisage the ownership of CAFC and the Holding Company, which owns the freehold, being separated. CAFC owes the directors their £7m, but their charges are across the assets of both companies. It follows that their position has potentially been compromised as a result of Duchâtelet selling CAFC, but retaining Holdings.
It’s not clear how this gets resolved. I’m no expert, but I’d be very surprised if the sale was reversed. The ‘damage’ to the former directors is that their charges may have been compromised. The solution would, presumably, be to find a way to address that. In extremis, it’s possible that they could get their money back early, though it’s not clear who would be ordered to pay them, ESI or Staprix.
However, what this dispute might do is get Duchâtelet and Nimer to the table. It might serve to bang heads together. What might make that parlez even more promising would be the presence of a potential buyer for the club. A White Knight. Hopefully, that’s the motivation of the former directors. They’ll make a deal easier to strike if they are prepared to roll their loans once again. If, instead, their objective is to get their money back it will all be a lot more complicated.
In short, while it’s very hard to see how this dispute might lead to the sale to ESI being voided it might bring all parties to the table and that’s probably our best hope."
I wonder if this is what's happened? The implication would be that the former directors have backed off in the interests of ensuring the club has a sustainable future? Huw Jenkins being the White Knight?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 9:08:26 GMT
I think if the Jenkins Takeover goes ahead and he proves good for Charlton, the directors will drop their Court action and allow their loans to be rolled over.
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Post by thevalleybest on May 25, 2020 9:14:10 GMT
Talk sport with Jim on today?.
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