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Post by bigandy99 on Aug 4, 2019 7:57:08 GMT
A topsy turvey season started yesterday... unexpected wins for Charlton, Barnsley, Brum, QPR and Millwall... the finger nails and blood pressure will be tested over the next 9 months!!..
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 4, 2019 8:07:05 GMT
A topsy turvey season started yesterday... unexpected wins for Charlton, Barnsley, Brum, QPR and Millwall... the finger nails and blood pressure will be tested over the next 9 months!!.. Spot on Andy very unpredictable... I backed Charlton yesterday at 9/2 đđ˝ , but also did a four fold , Charlton , Fulham , Stoke and Brentford of which 2 were odds on and other one was around evens... not only did the others not win , they all lost.... Crazy day.....!
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Post by lukepiestalker on Aug 4, 2019 10:17:06 GMT
Good time to get a few results on the board.
Not a good time to get too carried away.
Frailties will be exposed but we have a lowish target to get.
Classic underdog season unfolding. Love it!
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Post by MidlandRed on Aug 4, 2019 17:01:54 GMT
Leeds looking very good against Bristol
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Post by rationaladdick on Aug 4, 2019 19:08:38 GMT
Leeds looking very good against Bristol They did. Remember though they were in first for much of last season and then fell apart in the final 1/3.
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Post by MidlandRed on Aug 4, 2019 19:18:53 GMT
Leeds looking very good against Bristol They did. Remember though they were in first for much of last season and then fell apart in the final 1/3. Yep. I even bet a quid they would go all season unbeaten, they looked on fire at one point
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Post by earlpurple on Aug 5, 2019 11:06:45 GMT
Yeah my worry, we won but so did all the other relegation candidates except Reading, who have now replaced us as bookmakers favourites to go down, but we're still second favourites.
I think a lot will depend simply on which teams have deep enough squads when injuries strike, and who can avoid having too many injuries to key players. Plus a few decisions going your way in tight matches. We don't have VAR in our league.
I recall in our relegation season we beat Rotherham 4-1 away then lost at home 0-1 to Bristol City who were relegation contenders with us at the time. That set us off on a spiral of poor results again from which we could not recover. The hopes when Riga took over and we won at Rotherham, but occasional wins after were not enough whilst both those clubs had decent enough runs.
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Post by rationaladdick on Aug 6, 2019 22:21:11 GMT
If we beat Stoke at home and start with 6 points from 6, then it tells me we stay up. Assuming we don't sell any more players by Thursday.
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 18, 2019 17:15:10 GMT
After three games we are now second and the bookies have moved us out of the three favourites for relegation. Sooner or later the bookies expectations will meet the league postion of most clubs and a pattern emerges. Next Saturday at 5pm every team will have played five games, and we will see the table evolve slightly. But it really won't stabilise until 10 games.
Ten games takes us to end September and we might then have a view on where we might be at Christmas? Ideally we will have all seen the team several times, watched some other Championship sides, as well as taking a look at the likes of Kayal, Oztumer, Field and ideally Hemed.
And if we are still in the top half of the table in October and November, then that's a massive stride forward from where we were three years before when Slade was sacked - mid table third tier! I actually think we will be and that in turn opens up the big discussion for what needs to happen next...
As posted before, to maintain progress in the second half of the season and even move forwards may well prove to be quite expensive. But at the same time the atmosphere and the value of CAFC will go through the roof. Every year the Championship is unpredictable with certain sides on parachute money battling relegation and a couple of low budget sides at the top - why not Charlton?!
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Post by Mundell on Aug 18, 2019 18:37:56 GMT
The beauty of football is itâs uncertainty and inherent unpredictability. One reason for this is that itâs very hard, even having watched a game, to disentangle âsignalâ (skill) from ânoiseâ (luck). As a result, we are constantly fooled by randomness. We over interpret and oversimplify when we extrapolate recent results, good or bad.
Before they kicked off this afternoon, Reading were the bookmakersâ favourites to go down and, hence, one of the sides we might hope to finish above. Unfortunately, they looked very impressive in beating Cardiff City 3-0 with two goals from impressive new signing George Puscas. For me, their performance was a real measure of how tough the Championship is going to be this season. Our game at Reading at the end of the month will be very interesting.
Weâve made a great start and itâs a huge bonus to have seven valuable points already. However, a couple of simple stats should help to keep our feet on the ground.
First, during commentary yesterday, Louis Mendez said that after the first two rounds of games in the Championship weâd scored more goals than any other team and yet had had fewer shots than any other club. Thatâs obviously not sustainable. Weâd feel very different had we lost all three matches, but that could easily have happened. Thatâs football.
Second, we started our 2015-16 Championship relegation season fairly well. We took eight points from our first four games and sat third in the table. Even after ten games we were in seventeenth place. We then sunk without trace.
I think our current team is more resilient and will be much harder to beat than the 2015-16 outfit. Itâs also much better managed. The competition is much stronger though. We began the season aiming to avoid relegation. As far as Iâm concerned, nothing has changed. Not yet anyway.
On to Nottingham Forest on Wednesday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 19:14:40 GMT
We need to be realistic.
We havenât played any of the better sides yet. Blackburn & Stoke were not great, and Barnsley were better but still came up with us last season. The basic fundamentals at the club - namely a disastrous wanker of an owner, and a shoestring budget, have not changed. The next big flashpoint will be Lyle Taylor and his contract situation. The ostriches & Duchatelet defenders on here must be pretty confident that Taylor will follow other recent Duchâtelet January giveaways like Lookman, Fox, Holmes & Konsa out of the door.
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 18, 2019 19:41:09 GMT
It's certainly true that we've not played any of the ten favourites for the play-offs yet and they have a completely different funding set up and will present a different proposition altogether. So far we have met better opponents than those from last season who have had more possession than us, outplayed us for certain parts of the game and, as Mundell states created far more chances. The question is how might this good start be different to 2015/16 and we might consider the following: 1) no injuries as yet to the major midfield and centre backs, compared to losing Kashi and Diarra a few years back. 2) A manager who can flex the formation as well as one who has the confidence and trust of the squad - some may forget that Luzon allowed the likes of Buyens, Bulot and Ben Haim leave Liege when he was manager there and appeared in no rush to keep them after they served him so well with us in the second half of 2014/15 3) We have some real talent arriving from outside, some of whom we've not seen yet - as posted elsewhere, very hard to make a call before seeing them and more opponents Having said all that, our back five has lost Dijksteel, Bauer and Bielik and they are clearly under pressure in all games. If we are really going somewhere then that will have to be addressed in January. And if Taylor is going to be wearing our shirt after January, a very serious contract offer needs to go on the table. What we can say is that just like Wembley, the side will be playing for their future in the game, either with us or elsewhere. And that's a big, big contrast to November 2015 - by the time Riga arrived, the damage was done.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 18, 2019 21:01:47 GMT
We need to be realistic. We havenât played any of the better sides yet. Blackburn & Stoke were not great, and Barnsley were better but still came up with us last season. The basic fundamentals at the club - namely a disastrous wanker of an owner, and a shoestring budget, have not changed. The next big flashpoint will be Lyle Taylor and his contract situation. The ostriches & Duchatelet defenders on here must be pretty confident that Taylor will follow other recent Duchâtelet January giveaways like Lookman, Fox, Holmes & Konsa out of the door. It is so much easier reading a post when it gets to the point.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 18, 2019 21:02:16 GMT
It's certainly true that we've not played any of the ten favourites for the play-offs yet and they have a completely different funding set up and will present a different proposition altogether. So far we have met better opponents than those from last season who have had more possession than us, outplayed us for certain parts of the game and, as Mundell states created far more chances. The question is how might this good start be different to 2015/16 and we might consider the following: 1) no injuries as yet to the major midfield and centre backs, compared to losing Kashi and Diarra a few years back. 2) A manager who can flex the formation as well as one who has the confidence and trust of the squad - some may forget that Luzon allowed the likes of Buyens, Bulot and Ben Haim leave Liege when he was manager there and appeared in no rush to keep them after they served him so well with us in the second half of 2014/15 3) We have some real talent arriving from outside, some of whom we've not seen yet - as posted elsewhere, very hard to make a call before seeing them and more opponents Having said all that, our back five has lost Dijksteel, Bauer and Bielik and they are clearly under pressure in all games. If we are really going somewhere then that will have to be addressed in January. And if Taylor is going to be wearing our shirt after January, a very serious contract offer needs to go on the table. What we can say is that just like Wembley, the side will be playing for their future in the game, either with us or elsewhere. And that's a big, big contrast to November 2015 - by the time Riga arrived, the damage was done. On the other hand......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 21:33:51 GMT
It's certainly true that we've not played any of the ten favourites for the play-offs yet and they have a completely different funding set up and will present a different proposition altogether. So far we have met better opponents than those from last season who have had more possession than us, outplayed us for certain parts of the game and, as Mundell states created far more chances. The question is how might this good start be different to 2015/16 and we might consider the following: 1) no injuries as yet to the major midfield and centre backs, compared to losing Kashi and Diarra a few years back. 2) A manager who can flex the formation as well as one who has the confidence and trust of the squad - some may forget that Luzon allowed the likes of Buyens, Bulot and Ben Haim leave Liege when he was manager there and appeared in no rush to keep them after they served him so well with us in the second half of 2014/15 3) We have some real talent arriving from outside, some of whom we've not seen yet - as posted elsewhere, very hard to make a call before seeing them and more opponents Having said all that, our back five has lost Dijksteel, Bauer and Bielik and they are clearly under pressure in all games. If we are really going somewhere then that will have to be addressed in January. And if Taylor is going to be wearing our shirt after January, a very serious contract offer needs to go on the table. What we can say is that just like Wembley, the side will be playing for their future in the game, either with us or elsewhere. And that's a big, big contrast to November 2015 - by the time Riga arrived, the damage was done. âThe damage was doneâ. By who ?
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 18, 2019 21:44:47 GMT
It's certainly true that we've not played any of the ten favourites for the play-offs yet and they have a completely different funding set up and will present a different proposition altogether. So far we have met better opponents than those from last season who have had more possession than us, outplayed us for certain parts of the game and, as Mundell states created far more chances. The question is how might this good start be different to 2015/16 and we might consider the following: 1) no injuries as yet to the major midfield and centre backs, compared to losing Kashi and Diarra a few years back. 2) A manager who can flex the formation as well as one who has the confidence and trust of the squad - some may forget that Luzon allowed the likes of Buyens, Bulot and Ben Haim leave Liege when he was manager there and appeared in no rush to keep them after they served him so well with us in the second half of 2014/15 3) We have some real talent arriving from outside, some of whom we've not seen yet - as posted elsewhere, very hard to make a call before seeing them and more opponents Having said all that, our back five has lost Dijksteel, Bauer and Bielik and they are clearly under pressure in all games. If we are really going somewhere then that will have to be addressed in January. And if Taylor is going to be wearing our shirt after January, a very serious contract offer needs to go on the table. What we can say is that just like Wembley, the side will be playing for their future in the game, either with us or elsewhere. And that's a big, big contrast to November 2015 - by the time Riga arrived, the damage was done. âThe damage was doneâ. By who ? The Belgian? Who will continue to cause damage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 22:09:22 GMT
âThe damage was doneâ. By who ? The Belgian? Who will continue to cause damage. elfsborgfranborasI donât understand why seriouslyred canât bring himself to admit it? Shall we help him, by lining up the necessary words for him. As an accomplished auditor, all that waffling Kev has to do is put them in the correct order. Is Has Our Duchâtelet Ruined Cock Belgian Club A Who Letâs see where we are in Kevinâs next 1,000 word post.
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Post by pardew123 on Aug 18, 2019 23:59:29 GMT
Canât see us going down different people to that relegation squad we have leaders and a winner in charge and no little quality lower mid table at worst for me 15th thereâs more than 3 worse than us
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 19, 2019 5:27:13 GMT
The beauty of football is itâs uncertainty and inherent unpredictability. One reason for this is that itâs very hard, even having watched a game, to disentangle âsignalâ (skill) from ânoiseâ (luck). As a result, we are constantly fooled by randomness. We over interpret and oversimplify when we extrapolate recent results, good or bad. Before they kicked off this afternoon, Reading were the bookmakersâ favourites to go down and, hence, one of the sides we might hope to finish above. Unfortunately, they looked very impressive in beating Cardiff City 3-0 with two goals from impressive new signing George Puscas. For me, their performance was a real measure of how tough the Championship is going to be this season. Our game at Reading at the end of the month will be very interesting. Weâve made a great start and itâs a huge bonus to have seven valuable points already. However, a couple of simple stats should help to keep our feet on the ground. First, during commentary yesterday, Louis Mendez said that after the first two rounds of games in the Championship weâd scored more goals than any other team and yet had had fewer shots than any other club. Thatâs obviously not sustainable. Weâd feel very different had we lost all three matches, but that could easily have happened. Thatâs football. Second, we started our 2015-16 Championship relegation season fairly well. We took eight points from our first four games and sat third in the table. Even after ten games we were in seventeenth place. We then sunk without trace. I think our current team is more resilient and will be much harder to beat than the 2015-16 outfit. Itâs also much better managed. The competition is much stronger though. We began the season aiming to avoid relegation. As far as Iâm concerned, nothing has changed. Not yet anyway. On to Nottingham Forest on Wednesday. Why Mundell do we need simple stats to keep our feet on the ground....? Why canât the Charlton fans at Barnsley on Saturday sing their hearts out in the knowledge that we were top of the league for half an hour and we are currently second.. Don't you agree that in the recent times we havenât had much joy , so as to take our feet off the ground....? Your simple stats could be looked at in this way , already this season Iâve seen interviews with Premiership managers and Pundits in agreement that the difference between the Championship and the Premiership is that the teams in the top league are much more clinical , isnât it possible that we are more clinical , that the shooting training is finally paying off and with the best goals per shot record in the Championship , maybe we are the best placed team to make the jump up a league.. Secondly we started our 1999/2000 Championship winning season with 2 victories as we also did in the 2011/2012 League One winning season , on neither occasion did we sink without trace , we went on to lift the trophy.. Iâm not saying that anything you have said is incorrect but I suppose some people are just glass half empty and some people are glass half full.. Roll on Forest...
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Post by earlpurple on Aug 19, 2019 9:13:26 GMT
After 3 games last season in this division, Bolton had 2 wins and a draw, Norwich had just one point.
QPR and Reading had no points at all, and as well as Norwich, teams on 1 point were Sheff Wed and Hull. None of them went down.
Sheffield United had played a game more than most of the rest at this point with 2 wins and 2 losses.
Ipswich had 2 draws 1 defeat, Rotherham 1 win and 2 defeats.
So not a lot you can draw from 3 games.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Aug 19, 2019 12:41:35 GMT
I'll sum it up quickly for you Elfs - There's a long way to go with many twists and turns on the way!
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Post by Mundell on Aug 19, 2019 15:19:43 GMT
The beauty of football is itâs uncertainty and inherent unpredictability. One reason for this is that itâs very hard, even having watched a game, to disentangle âsignalâ (skill) from ânoiseâ (luck). As a result, we are constantly fooled by randomness. We over interpret and oversimplify when we extrapolate recent results, good or bad. Before they kicked off this afternoon, Reading were the bookmakersâ favourites to go down and, hence, one of the sides we might hope to finish above. Unfortunately, they looked very impressive in beating Cardiff City 3-0 with two goals from impressive new signing George Puscas. For me, their performance was a real measure of how tough the Championship is going to be this season. Our game at Reading at the end of the month will be very interesting. Weâve made a great start and itâs a huge bonus to have seven valuable points already. However, a couple of simple stats should help to keep our feet on the ground. First, during commentary yesterday, Louis Mendez said that after the first two rounds of games in the Championship weâd scored more goals than any other team and yet had had fewer shots than any other club. Thatâs obviously not sustainable. Weâd feel very different had we lost all three matches, but that could easily have happened. Thatâs football. Second, we started our 2015-16 Championship relegation season fairly well. We took eight points from our first four games and sat third in the table. Even after ten games we were in seventeenth place. We then sunk without trace. I think our current team is more resilient and will be much harder to beat than the 2015-16 outfit. Itâs also much better managed. The competition is much stronger though. We began the season aiming to avoid relegation. As far as Iâm concerned, nothing has changed. Not yet anyway. On to Nottingham Forest on Wednesday. Why Mundell do we need simple stats to keep our feet on the ground....? Why canât the Charlton fans at Barnsley on Saturday sing their hearts out in the knowledge that we were top of the league for half an hour and we are currently second.. Don't you agree that in the recent times we havenât had much joy , so as to take our feet off the ground....? Your simple stats could be looked at in this way , already this season Iâve seen interviews with Premiership managers and Pundits in agreement that the difference between the Championship and the Premiership is that the teams in the top league are much more clinical , isnât it possible that we are more clinical , that the shooting training is finally paying off and with the best goals per shot record in the Championship , maybe we are the best placed team to make the jump up a league.. Secondly we started our 1999/2000 Championship winning season with 2 victories as we also did in the 2011/2012 League One winning season , on neither occasion did we sink without trace , we went on to lift the trophy.. Iâm not saying that anything you have said is incorrect but I suppose some people are just glass half empty and some people are glass half full.. Roll on Forest... Donât think itâs got anything to do with whether youâre glass half full or glass half empty. There is absolutely no conflict or contradiction between singing your heart out, and enjoying the fact that weâre second in the table, and making the point on a thread discussing Championship unpredictability that our League table position probably isnât sustainable. As Iâve said before, it is possible to have a very positive outlook and yet be realistic. Indeed, personally, I believe that this combination of âfeelingâ and âthinkingâ is healthy and probably more likely to lead to sustainable success than unbounded optimism. Just my perspective.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 19, 2019 15:26:26 GMT
I'll sum it up quickly for you Elfs - There's a long way to go with many twists and turns on the way! 100%
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 19, 2019 15:43:18 GMT
I'll sum it up quickly for you Elfs - There's a long way to go with many twists and turns on the way! It's a journey and perhaps we might just enjoy this season, especially the atmosphere and quality of football and referees. Some take it all so seriously!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 15:44:46 GMT
I'll sum it up quickly for you Elfs - There's a long way to go with many twists and turns on the way! It's a journey and perhaps we might just enjoy this season, especially the atmosphere and quality of football and referees. Some take it all so seriously! Youâve been saying the same thing since 2014. Itâs not a âjourneyâ...itâs a professional & competitive sport.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 19, 2019 15:53:48 GMT
It's a journey and perhaps we might just enjoy this season, especially the atmosphere and quality of football and referees. Some take it all so seriously! Youâve been saying the same thing since 2014. Itâs not a âjourneyâ...itâs a professional & competitive sport. Simples.
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Post by earlpurple on Aug 19, 2019 16:11:06 GMT
I just checked on oddschecker and we're 2nd favourites to go down again, and Reading are still favourites in spite of beating Cardiff 3-0.
We were briefly 5th favourites when I checked Saturday night.
Perhaps they looked at the stats of being out-possessed even in our wins and decided we've just been lucky.
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 19, 2019 16:23:49 GMT
It's a journey and perhaps we might just enjoy this season, especially the atmosphere and quality of football and referees. Some take it all so seriously! Youâve been saying the same thing since 2014. Itâs not a âjourneyâ...itâs a professional & competitive sport. Bows says it's a journey - are you arguing with him again? You've been criticising his players and decisions for quite some time!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 16:51:24 GMT
Youâve been saying the same thing since 2014. Itâs not a âjourneyâ...itâs a professional & competitive sport. Bows says it's a journey - are you arguing with him again? You've been criticising his players and decisions for quite some time! Itâs competitive sport Kevin, not an episode of Portilloâs Railway Adventures.
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 19, 2019 16:55:45 GMT
Bows says it's a journey - are you arguing with him again? You've been criticising his players and decisions for quite some time! Itâs competitive sport Kevin, not an episode of Portilloâs Railway Adventures. Doesn't explain why you criticise the squad 24/7, the players and the strategy based on academy players and EPL loans. Not really a fan are you, especially when it comes to Lyle Taylor?
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