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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 21:18:58 GMT
I believe the concerns around paying 10k a week to Williams stems from Bowyer’s comments on the website that we weren’t in a position/willing to pay the sort of wages he was on at Crystal Palace which is around that figure With regards to Norwich supporters, I know many, and they’re all in agreement that they are likely to struggle without investment in certain areas of the team, but none of them WANT to scrape survival - they want to replicate what Wolves have managed to achieve. Any fan that’s happy to see their teams struggle to scrape survival in whatever league they’re in needs to have a word with themselves 10k in the premier league? What are you stuck in 1995!!!! I’m sure you’d have taken a relegation scrape in 2008 rather than our subsequent decline, perhaps unrealistic people need to have a word with themselves and realise they are fortunate to be where they are! It’s not about being happy that your team is struggling but 3 teams will definitely be relegated and every season there are a selection who will be fighting to avoid that as there’s not much worse!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 21:24:53 GMT
1. Where is the quote from a reputable source that we won’t pay 10k per week as valleybest didn’t put one, otherwise it’s just rumour!! 2. I spoke to a Millwall season ticket holder last week who said they first and foremost aim to stay up and then anything else is a bonus so your argument here is invalid and unrealistic. If offered I bet LB would take 21st place as then you have another year of strengthening your team in order to achieve a better placing. Of course we will try to get as high as possible but do you expect Norwich to be looking to win the league next season?!!!! 1. Why else would Willams be released? He could be a vital player for us next season. Until we hear a verified alternative reason the pay issue sounds credible enough to me. 2. Millwall just missed out on the play-offs the first season they were back in the Championship. Chris Powell got Charlton a 9th place finish in 2012-13, the last time Charlton were new boys back in the Championship. Do you (like KHA) seriously believe that 4th from bottom is the most that Charlton fans should reasonably expect? How timid we have become. Of course the first and foremost aim is to stay up. That's ridiculously obvious. And it's always the case every season regardless of what level you're competing at. But is that really the limit of what Charlton fans should expect? Really?Anything above 22nd place is a bonus? That's the kind of lower league mentality I would expect from a fan of a tiny Club that spent decades in L2 or lower, suddenly finding itself in the 2nd tier. Not the supporter of a Club which spent most of it's history in the top two leagues. And as for our manager, If Charlton were in 22nd place with two games to go in the season naturally he would take 21st place. We all would. But if he was asked right now if 21st place would be reasonable next season and anything better would be a bonus, would you expect him to agree? Imagine if Lee Bowyer did an interview tomorrow and said exactly that. With 46 games to play there is no way that 21st place is anywhere on Lee Bowyer's radar, and nor should it be. He will be planning to win every game he plays. He's not going to settle for being fourth worst in the league, nor would he want his players to get even the hint of a notion that he would. Not until there are no other options. For pity's sake, you and every other fan in the Valley or at away games cheered the team to the rafters as they conquered the 3rd tier last season. What happened to all that positivity and confidence? Is your ambition for the team so smothered by the need to be sensible and reasonable that it only rises after the good results have come? That isn't helping the team, that's just feeding off it. Everything is a positive if you expect nothing. But doesn't our young manager, who has proven sceptics like me 100% wrong about him, deserve more than such low expectation? Especially from supporters who would rightly claim that they are far more passionately and loyally behind him than I have ever been.
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Post by seriouslyred on May 30, 2019 21:53:50 GMT
21st in the EFL would be a six place improvement on this season. AND a continuation of the improvement since Slade was sacked and we hit rock bottom.
Is it enough? As a fan, of course not! Not least because that means we lose more than we win... and as a commentator, we know negativity will creep in...
Again no time to look at detail right now, but would urge people to look at the real talent at the club... and who we need to retain to make our mark? For many, we simply need to retain the Wembley midfield, Taylor and Bauer, then add some strikers.
Again, the losses in the Championship are ludicrous, bordering on insane... more later.
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Post by seriouslyred on May 30, 2019 22:21:15 GMT
PS we have spent 50% of the last 12 seasons in the third tier. And today we probably have a 50% chance of relegation next season. It is what it is and that's where we are.
My family will never threaten to withdraw their support from our club, based upon perceived injustice or board room errors. We need to move beyond throwing toys out of the pram / onto the pitch...
And recognise that we have signed up for this soap opera warts and all. Just loved that song last season...
We're on our way, on our way To the Championship, on our way How we get there I don't know How we get there, we don't care
Sums it up really... for we have no control and to pretend otherwise takes us into a very difficult place...
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 22:25:36 GMT
1. Where is the quote from a reputable source that we won’t pay 10k per week as valleybest didn’t put one, otherwise it’s just rumour!! 2. I spoke to a Millwall season ticket holder last week who said they first and foremost aim to stay up and then anything else is a bonus so your argument here is invalid and unrealistic. If offered I bet LB would take 21st place as then you have another year of strengthening your team in order to achieve a better placing. Of course we will try to get as high as possible but do you expect Norwich to be looking to win the league next season?!!!! 1. Why else would Willams be released? He could be a vital player for us next season. Until we hear a verified alternative reason the pay issue sounds credible enough to me. 2. Millwall just missed out on the play-offs the first season they were back in the Championship. Chris Powell got Charlton a 9th place finish in 2012-13, the last time Charlton were new boys back in the Championship. Do you (like KHA) seriously believe that 4th from bottom is the most that Charlton fans should reasonably expect? How timid we have become. Of course the first and foremost aim is to stay up. That's ridiculously obvious. And it's always the case every season regardless of what level you're competing at. But is that really the limit of what Charlton fans should expect? Really?Anything above 22nd place is a bonus? That's the kind of lower league mentality I would expect from a fan of a tiny Club that spent decades in L2 or lower, suddenly finding itself in the 2nd tier. Not the supporter of a Club which spent the most of it's history in the top two leagues. And as for our manager, If Charlton were in 22nd place with two games to go in the season naturally he would take 21st place. We all would. But if he was asked right now if 21st place would be reasonable next season and anything better would be a bonus, would you expect him to agree? Imagine if Lee Bowyer did an interview tomorrow and said exactly that. With 46 games to play there is no way that 21st place is anywhere on Lee Bowyer's radar, and nor should it be. He will be planning to win every game he plays. He's not going to settle for being fourth worst in the league, nor would he want his players to get even the hint of a notion that he would. Not until there are no other options. For pity's sake, you and every other fan in the Valley or at away games cheered the team to the rafters as they conquered the 3rd tier last season. What happened to all that positivity and confidence? Is your ambition for the team so smothered by the need to be sensible and reasonable that it only rises after the good results have come? That isn't helping the team, that's just feeding off it. Everything is a positive if you expect nothing. But doesn't our young manager, who has proven sceptics like me 100% wrong about him, deserve more than such low expectation? Especially from supporters who would rightly claim that they are far more passionately and loyally behind him than I have ever been. 1. About as credible as “fire sale” and “imminent deal” then. We don’t know what his wage demands are do we so let’s see what happens. 2. There’s nothing saying we won’t do that either but we need to strengthen our team and get new players to gel. 3. I think we should achieve as high finish as possible and I’m sure kha believes the same, however we are the new boys in the league, competing with teams who receive huge parachute payments and teams which have experience in that league so to me it’s important to strive for the best but also imperative to be realistic with expectations. I remained positive all season even when some fans deserted us mid season and I faced continual criticism, but I believed we had a team capable of gaining promotion and was right. We don’t currently have our full team for the championship so I’m not giving any predictions, however it is unlikely we will have another promotion season without large investment and that will only come with a takeover.
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Post by garrynelson on May 30, 2019 22:27:56 GMT
I believe the concerns around paying 10k a week to Williams stems from Bowyer’s comments on the website that we weren’t in a position/willing to pay the sort of wages he was on at Crystal Palace which is around that figure With regards to Norwich supporters, I know many, and they’re all in agreement that they are likely to struggle without investment in certain areas of the team, but none of them WANT to scrape survival - they want to replicate what Wolves have managed to achieve. Any fan that’s happy to see their teams struggle to scrape survival in whatever league they’re in needs to have a word with themselves 10k in the premier league? What are you stuck in 1995!!!! I’m sure you’d have taken a relegation scrape in 2008 rather than our subsequent decline, perhaps unrealistic people need to have a word with themselves and realise they are fortunate to be where they are! It’s not about being happy that your team is struggling but 3 teams will definitely be relegated and every season there are a selection who will be fighting to avoid that as there’s not much worse! 1995??? Ok then... Anyway, I remember the start of that season surprisingly well and I recall I wasn’t hoping to scrape relegation before the season had started - obviously I’d rather have scraped survival instead of being relegated, but that isn’t what people are talking about right now. In 2008 we had invested heavily in the playing squad with players like Amdy Faye, Soulemanye Diawara and Djimi Traore (sadly we were sold a couple of donkeys there - I still think Diawara was better than some said as was proven by how his career progressed after that season) The point is that no fan should be getting a raging semi at the thought of acquiring that “dream” of 21st place in the Championship before the previous season has even completely finished??
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 22:36:40 GMT
10k in the premier league? What are you stuck in 1995!!!! I’m sure you’d have taken a relegation scrape in 2008 rather than our subsequent decline, perhaps unrealistic people need to have a word with themselves and realise they are fortunate to be where they are! It’s not about being happy that your team is struggling but 3 teams will definitely be relegated and every season there are a selection who will be fighting to avoid that as there’s not much worse! 1995??? Ok then... Anyway, I remember the start of that season surprisingly well and I recall I wasn’t hoping to scrape relegation before the season had started - obviously I’d rather have scraped survival instead of being relegated, but that isn’t what people are talking about right now. In 2008 we had invested heavily in the playing squad with players like Amdy Faye, Soulemanye Diawara and Djimi Traore (sadly we were sold a couple of donkeys there - I still think Diawara was better than some said as was proven by how his career progressed after that season) The point is that no fan should be getting a raging semi at the thought of acquiring that “dream” of 21st place in the Championship before the previous season has even completely finished?? Few points I see there garry.. 1. Spending money on players doesn’t guarantee results, as proved again this season! 2. No one is getting a “raging semi” but are saying if we finished there it would be acceptable but only acceptable, every single fan including myself would want us to finish much higher so let’s wait and see how the squad progresses. 3. Our season has completely finished mate, there are no more games to be played in the efl.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 30, 2019 22:57:37 GMT
I never said that Charlton fans should aim for 4th from bottom. What I said was that this season I will be happy with keeping out of the bottom three all season.
What I said was unreasonable was for Charlton fans to expect someone to drop c. £100m on trying to get us promoted in our first season in the Championship after we’ve spent six of the last ten in the third division!
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Post by garrynelson on May 30, 2019 22:57:47 GMT
1995??? Ok then... Anyway, I remember the start of that season surprisingly well and I recall I wasn’t hoping to scrape relegation before the season had started - obviously I’d rather have scraped survival instead of being relegated, but that isn’t what people are talking about right now. In 2008 we had invested heavily in the playing squad with players like Amdy Faye, Soulemanye Diawara and Djimi Traore (sadly we were sold a couple of donkeys there - I still think Diawara was better than some said as was proven by how his career progressed after that season) The point is that no fan should be getting a raging semi at the thought of acquiring that “dream” of 21st place in the Championship before the previous season has even completely finished?? Few points I see there garry.. 1. Spending money on players doesn’t guarantee results, as proved again this season! 2. No one is getting a “raging semi” but are saying if we finished there it would be acceptable but only acceptable, every single fan including myself would want us to finish much higher so let’s wait and see how the squad progresses. 3. Our season has completely finished mate, there are no more games to be played in the efl. The 2018-19 season won’t finish until the last game of it has been played - the UCL final Spending money may not guarantee success, but not investing in it almost guarantees failure - we live in hope that a takeover will happen soon, LB and staff are all retained on improved contracts, money is made available for transfers and LB is trusted to invest it in players who will make us competitive in the Championship (maybe not to win it, but at least mid-table and above. So some fans are worried about what next season might bring (nobody wants their team to be regularly beaten over the course of a season and be the league’s whipping boys) - doesn’t make them “pessimistic” or “doom and gloom merchants” just fans worried for their club. Who are we/you/anyone else to dismiss their concerns as “nonsense” when we have nothing to counter it with other than “let’s wait and see where we are at **insert date/time here**”??
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Post by reamsofverse on May 30, 2019 23:41:34 GMT
Let's all look on the bright side and take the positives out of the retained/released list announced.
Clearly Bow and JJ are staying.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 0:00:43 GMT
Few points I see there garry.. 1. Spending money on players doesn’t guarantee results, as proved again this season! 2. No one is getting a “raging semi” but are saying if we finished there it would be acceptable but only acceptable, every single fan including myself would want us to finish much higher so let’s wait and see how the squad progresses. 3. Our season has completely finished mate, there are no more games to be played in the efl. The 2018-19 season won’t finish until the last game of it has been played - the UCL final Spending money may not guarantee success, but not investing in it almost guarantees failure - we live in hope that a takeover will happen soon, LB and staff are all retained on improved contracts, money is made available for transfers and LB is trusted to invest it in players who will make us competitive in the Championship (maybe not to win it, but at least mid-table and above. So some fans are worried about what next season might bring (nobody wants their team to be regularly beaten over the course of a season and be the league’s whipping boys) - doesn’t make them “pessimistic” or “doom and gloom merchants” just fans worried for their club. Who are we/you/anyone else to dismiss their concerns as “nonsense” when we have nothing to counter it with other than “let’s wait and see where we are at **insert date/time here**”?? Charlton' season is finished... As is every other EFL club! Can you please quote me where I have used any of those quoted phrases... Nope I think not!
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Post by reamsofverse on May 31, 2019 4:44:50 GMT
10k in the premier league? What are you stuck in 1995!!!! I’m sure you’d have taken a relegation scrape in 2008 rather than our subsequent decline, perhaps unrealistic people need to have a word with themselves and realise they are fortunate to be where they are! It’s not about being happy that your team is struggling but 3 teams will definitely be relegated and every season there are a selection who will be fighting to avoid that as there’s not much worse! 1995??? Ok then... Anyway, I remember the start of that season surprisingly well and I recall I wasn’t hoping to scrape relegation before the season had started - obviously I’d rather have scraped survival instead of being relegated, but that isn’t what people are talking about right now. In 2008 we had invested heavily in the playing squad with players like Amdy Faye, Soulemanye Diawara and Djimi Traore (sadly we were sold a couple of donkeys there - I still think Diawara was better than some said as was proven by how his career progressed after that season) The point is that no fan should be getting a raging semi at the thought of acquiring that “dream” of 21st place in the Championship before the previous season has even completely finished?? Garry we are not involved in the CL therefore domestically our season is over.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 5:56:48 GMT
I never said that Charlton fans should aim for 4th from bottom. What I said was that this season I will be happy with keeping out of the bottom three all season. What I said was unreasonable was for Charlton fans to expect someone to drop c. £100m on trying to get us promoted in our first season in the Championship after we’ve spent six of the last ten in the third division! What is unreasonable is for a football Club with a billionaire owner to cut its budget after winning promotion from the 3rd tier to the 2nd tier. Nobody has said that they expect £100 million to be spent. But most fans would surely agree that the Club should make a modest effort at least to keep the services of one of the most exciting players from our promotion season, rather than announcing that he is being released four days after that promotion was secured. But then it's worth remembering of course that the ineptitude of Charlton's current owner (the richest in its history) is the reason why it spent the last three seasons in the third division. PS we have spent 50% of the last 12 seasons in the third tier. And today we probably have a 50% chance of relegation next season. It is what it is and that's where we are. My family will never threaten to withdraw their support from our club, based upon perceived injustice or board room errors. We need to move beyond throwing toys out of the pram / onto the pitch... And recognise that we have signed up for this soap opera warts and all. Just loved that song last season... We're on our way, on our way To the Championship, on our way How we get there I don't know How we get there, we don't care Sums it up really... for we have no control and to pretend otherwise takes us into a very difficult place... The fact that Charlton have spent 6 of the last 12 seasons in the 3rd tier should be a matter for regret and a source of determination to do better in the future. Not an excuse for lower-league mentality and an utter lack of ambition for a Club which has only spent 10 seasons in living memory in the 3rd division - and more than 20 seasons in the top division. Roland Duchatelet has taken a Championship Club and truly turned it into a League One Club, if barely avoiding relegation from the Championship is now the limit of its ambition. Yet these same fans who say they will be happy finishing 21st next season are still expecting thousands of others to buy season tickets, and crowds of 18,000 in the Valley to contentedly watch our gradual crawl to safety by next May. Your perspective is that of the die-hard ultra-loyalist "My family will never threaten to withdraw their support from our club..." But romantic as that is, there are not 18,000 others who feel the same as you. Lastly, for most people having no control does not automatically equal being content with anything that happens, however bad. Or is stoic contentment with what happened in 2015-16 (and may well happen again this coming season) preferable simply because it is a less 'difficult' option?
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Post by garrynelson on May 31, 2019 6:28:40 GMT
The 2018-19 season won’t finish until the last game of it has been played - the UCL final Spending money may not guarantee success, but not investing in it almost guarantees failure - we live in hope that a takeover will happen soon, LB and staff are all retained on improved contracts, money is made available for transfers and LB is trusted to invest it in players who will make us competitive in the Championship (maybe not to win it, but at least mid-table and above. So some fans are worried about what next season might bring (nobody wants their team to be regularly beaten over the course of a season and be the league’s whipping boys) - doesn’t make them “pessimistic” or “doom and gloom merchants” just fans worried for their club. Who are we/you/anyone else to dismiss their concerns as “nonsense” when we have nothing to counter it with other than “let’s wait and see where we are at **insert date/time here**”?? Charlton' season is finished... As is every other EFL club! Can you please quote me where I have used any of those quoted phrases... Nope I think not! Never said the quotes are attributable to you - calm down People need to get off of other fans backs simply because they express concerns at what next season may hold as things currently stand. I’m sure they’ll be the most relieved if things turn out better. Oh, and PS, although our involvement in the 2018-19 season has come to an end (a bloody good one too) the season itself continues until this Saturday when one PL team will dream of repeating our triumph of the weekend before.....although maybe less dramatically?
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Post by massivebeak on May 31, 2019 6:32:19 GMT
Blimey- every chance we could end up with a poorer squad than last season, very worrying due to the step up in competition.
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Post by massivebeak on May 31, 2019 6:37:24 GMT
10k in the premier league? What are you stuck in 1995!!!! I’m sure you’d have taken a relegation scrape in 2008 rather than our subsequent decline, perhaps unrealistic people need to have a word with themselves and realise they are fortunate to be where they are! It’s not about being happy that your team is struggling but 3 teams will definitely be relegated and every season there are a selection who will be fighting to avoid that as there’s not much worse! 1995??? Ok then... Anyway, I remember the start of that season surprisingly well and I recall I wasn’t hoping to scrape relegation before the season had started - obviously I’d rather have scraped survival instead of being relegated, but that isn’t what people are talking about right now. In 2008 we had invested heavily in the playing squad with players like Amdy Faye, Soulemanye Diawara and Djimi Traore (sadly we were sold a couple of donkeys there - I still think Diawara was better than some said as was proven by how his career progressed after that season) The point is that no fan should be getting a raging semi at the thought of acquiring that “dream” of 21st place in the Championship before the previous season has even completely finished?? 'Raging Semi' LMFAO
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Post by bexleyboy on May 31, 2019 6:57:14 GMT
It’s time for the fans to stand up and be counted .. The club are in a much better financial situation for a while due to cost cutting that was needed ... but we are still losing 10 mill a year and 700,000 a month ..... yet people still expect us to pay 20k plus on wages ??
If all these “fans” who were at semi and Wembley brought season tickets then perhaps our budgets would improve and we can look at slightly diff targets
So don’t moan about .... show YOUR support
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Post by MidlandRed on May 31, 2019 7:08:13 GMT
It’s time for the fans to stand up and be counted .. The club are in a much better financial situation for a while due to cost cutting that was needed ... but we are still losing 10 mill a year and 700,000 a month ..... yet people still expect us to pay 20k plus on wages ?? If all these “fans” who were at semi and Wembley brought season tickets then perhaps our budgets would improve and we can look at slightly diff targets So don’t moan about .... show YOUR support Yes BB, it's the 'fans' fault that we can't keep our best players and fish in a slightly bigger pond. Not the bloke who hasn't given our best manager (win %) in god knows how many years a contract that he wants, or offer our best players contracts that they will sign. I came to the away game and Wembley, I went to about 4 games other than that all season. I suppose me not buying a season ticket last season or this one to come, is the real reason that we won't be offering Williams, arguably our match winner at Wembley (in my opinion, as I was there, sorry) a new contract that he will sign. Nothing to do with the old fart in charge of the club.... You come out with nonsense 99% of the time, I choose to ignore it 98% of the time, but that made me nibble. Surely you're a wind up.
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Post by massivebeak on May 31, 2019 7:13:20 GMT
It’s time for the fans to stand up and be counted .. The club are in a much better financial situation for a while due to cost cutting that was needed ... but we are still losing 10 mill a year and 700,000 a month ..... yet people still expect us to pay 20k plus on wages ?? If all these “fans” who were at semi and Wembley brought season tickets then perhaps our budgets would improve and we can look at slightly diff targets So don’t moan about .... show YOUR support Do you want us to start a crowd fund page?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 7:20:37 GMT
So how much should 'we' be prepared to pay Williams per week then ?
£5,000
£10,000
£15,000
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Post by 1978sussex on May 31, 2019 7:49:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 7:52:19 GMT
To be fair guys some might need to look up the ffp rules as they state you cannot spend more than 60% of your turnover, so those boycotts did affect the team in a financial sense and we had some big wages left from our championship years with a much lower turnover. www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.phpOn top of that people also wanted RD to sell which brings us to @lardiman point that we have the richest owner in our history but he is now selling the club (which is what the protesters wanted) so why would he invest the sums of money he did when previously in the championship (albeit on some unsuitable players) when he’s lost interest in the club (you can’t gave your cake and eat it). It’s not a nice thought as we invest our lives into our club, but from a business perspective I can see why he won’t invest money he probably won’t get back, he just needs to ensure he sells whilst the iron is still hot!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 8:55:06 GMT
It’s time for the fans to stand up and be counted .. The club are in a much better financial situation for a while due to cost cutting that was needed ... but we are still losing 10 mill a year and 700,000 a month ..... yet people still expect us to pay 20k plus on wages ?? If all these “fans” who were at semi and Wembley brought season tickets then perhaps our budgets would improve and we can look at slightly diff targets So don’t moan about .... show YOUR support Yes BB, it's the 'fans' fault that we can't keep our best players and fish in a slightly bigger pond. Not the bloke who hasn't given our best manager (win %) in god knows how many years a contract that he wants, or offer our best players contracts that they will sign. I came to the away game and Wembley, I went to about 4 games other than that all season. I suppose me not buying a season ticket last season or this one to come, is the real reason that we won't be offering Williams, arguably our match winner at Wembley (in my opinion, as I was there, sorry) a new contract that he will sign. Nothing to do with the old fart in charge of the club.... You come out with nonsense 99% of the time, I choose to ignore it 98% of the time, but that made me nibble. Surely you're a wind up. Good post Jack.
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Post by MurciaAl on May 31, 2019 8:59:30 GMT
Hopefully Roland sells and we can look at the summer in a different light, but for now he is still here and we have to work within the constraints of the budget set by him.
I certainly understand everyone's fears that it will not be enough for the Championship, but at this stage I feel it is premature.
Remembering rightly, this time last summer everyone was pretty much saying the same and panicking over signings. It took us a while to pull a team together, but it didn't turn out to badly did it!
I have complete faith in LB, JJ and Steve Gallen to do the same this season, no need to panic yet!
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Post by scabbyhorse on May 31, 2019 9:00:59 GMT
We try to do what we did under Curbs , you try to get the best players from the league you have been promoted from. Affordable players who are hungry and want to prove themselves.
You then supplement them with loans from the division higher providing the parent club can pay a percentage of their wages.
No way should we be paying players 20k a week! Not until we have a sugar daddy who is prepared to do so which is very unlikely.
Think we should chill a bit as we are in good hands under Lord Bows , Sir Jackson and gallen.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 9:28:53 GMT
So how much should 'we' be prepared to pay Williams per week then ? £5,000 £10,000 £15,000 £20,000 If the report is true that he wants £10,000 per week, then that is what he should be paid. Has he not already shown last season that he is worth that, in a division where many players of lesser talent are probably being paid a lot more. Hearing that Williams has been offered a new contract rather than been released would help to encourage more undecided fans to buy a season ticket. Talk about FFP and dry-as-dust explanations as to why Charlton's budget has to be so small will not encourage one wavering supporter to buy a season ticket. Fans aren't going to shell out hundreds of pounds as a gesture of sympathy for a poor little Club that can't afford to compete, bless 'em. They will buy season tickets to watch exciting players competing as a well disciplined and motivated team.
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Post by scabbyhorse on May 31, 2019 10:03:27 GMT
He has probably been offered 10k a week , problem with that is there are clubs who can offer 20k a week in the championship.
Think thats why Bows has said the door is not shut.
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Post by jonkool on May 31, 2019 11:59:21 GMT
He has probably been offered 10k a week , problem with that is there are clubs who can offer 20k a week in the championship. Think thats why Bows has said the door is not shut. As I have previously stated - if you are going to spend a large % of budget on one player then he has to have great reliability. Jonny has got on the pitch 133 times over 8 years inc subs appearances and scored just 3 goals. That doesn't shriek reliability to me
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Post by Mundell on May 31, 2019 12:43:42 GMT
So how much should 'we' be prepared to pay Williams per week then ? £5,000 £10,000 £15,000 £20,000 If the report is true that he wants £10,000 per week, then that is what he should be paid. Has he not already shown last season that he is worth that, in a division where many players of lesser talent are probably being paid a lot more. Hearing that Williams has been offered a new contract rather than been released would help to encourage more undecided fans to buy a season ticket. Talk about FFP and dry-as-dust explanations as to why Charlton's budget has to be so small will not encourage one wavering supporter to buy a season ticket. Fans aren't going to shell out hundreds of pounds as a gesture of sympathy for a poor little Club that can't afford to compete, bless 'em. They will buy season tickets to watch exciting players competing as a well disciplined and motivated team. It is possible to be positive, ambitious and optimistic while being realistic. I have no doubt that Lee Bowyer and his players will be aiming to win every game next season and when each game kicks off they’ll believe they can be victorious ninety minutes later. That’s the right mindset. However, realistically, relegation is much more likely next season than promotion. That’s not pessimism or a lack of ambition it’s realism and as close to a fact as you’re going to get. Indeed, the bookies already have us amongst the favourites to go down. It follows that not being relegated would be a good outcome. This is not about history or what fans think they are entitled to, it’s about budgets. Unless the club’s owner (hopefully a new owner) injects a lot of cash (code for losing a lot of money) we’ll have a relatively small wage budget next season, by Championship standards. The difference between League One and the Championship is huge. You suggest above that Johnny Williams showed last season that he is worth £10,000 per week in a division where many players of lesser talent are probably being paid a lot more. Frankly, you couldn’t be more wrong. League One players don’t get paid anything like £10,000 per week. The TOTAL wage bill for a club like Rochdale, for example, is only around £2m per annum. In the Championship there are many clubs who would pay £10,000 per week with impunity. That’s the problem. By all means let’s be positive, but let’s also try to understand the profound challenge of competing in the Championship and be realistic about what’s likely. That way, fans will be much more likely to support the team when they both need it and deserve it.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 31, 2019 12:49:46 GMT
So how much should 'we' be prepared to pay Williams per week then ? £5,000 £10,000 £15,000 £20,000 If the report is true that he wants £10,000 per week, then that is what he should be paid. Has he not already shown last season that he is worth that, in a division where many players of lesser talent are probably being paid a lot more. Hearing that Williams has been offered a new contract rather than been released would help to encourage more undecided fans to buy a season ticket. Talk about FFP and dry-as-dust explanations as to why Charlton's budget has to be so small will not encourage one wavering supporter to buy a season ticket. Fans aren't going to shell out hundreds of pounds as a gesture of sympathy for a poor little Club that can't afford to compete, bless 'em. They will buy season tickets to watch exciting players competing as a well disciplined and motivated team. Firstly, you have no idea if his wages are £10k a week or £30k a week. Secondly, try telling Birmingham fans that FFP is less important than getting fans to buy season tickets. Thirdly if Williams, who failed to start most the the games he was available for, is given £10k a week (ignoring what that will do to the cost of the other players in the squad and any that come in after him) that's £520,000 a year (plus NI etc.). If the average season ticket generates c. £200 after VAT we would need to sell £2,600 extra season tickets to fund his wages, alone. If you are going to then demand that we sign ten more players like him (after all, anything less than challenging for promotion should be regarded as a total insult by the club and it's financial backers) then we will need to sell another 26,000 season tickets. Tell me, where are the 38,600 fans going to sit? Or are you going to insist that someone funds a six week development of The Valley to add another 15,000 seats? What makes your statements unrealistic Lardiman, and unfair, in my view, is that all of your demands need to be paid for by someone else, and you are talking about millions and millions of pounds. You balked at my suggestion of £100m before. Just how much do you think it costs to assemble, and fund, a serious promotion squad? Take a look at these articles and see how much money those that get promoted spend on player transfers and wage bills then come back and tel me that we can do it for much less - and while you're at it why don't you offer a much more reasonable suggestion as to where the money is going to come from, than to demand it from a chap that has been insulted, ridiculed and chased out of the club by fans. Transfer Fees: www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/the-10-most-expensive-championship-players-ever-neves-carvalho-ritchie/Wage Bills: www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/how-every-every-pl-and-champ-clubs-wages-compare-to-their-league-finish/
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