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Post by reamsofverse on May 21, 2019 19:53:43 GMT
A few people here and there saying that the guests on Sky for the game on Sunday are Chris Powell and Michael Gray?
A fantastic player, an absolute legend for us and always will be but why is he always an analyser when we play? Chris wasn't even with us the last time we played at Wembley so why is he going to be in the Charlton corner when we play?
It should be Curbs, Mark Kinsella or super Clive Mendonca surely?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 19:57:23 GMT
A few people here and there saying that the guests on Sky for the game on Sunday are Chris Powell and Michael Gray? A fantastic player, an absolute legend for us and always will be but why is he always an analyser when we play? Chris wasn't even with us the last time we played at Wembley so why is he going to be in the Charlton corner when we play? It should be Curbs, Mark Kinsella or super Clive Mendonca surely? Watch yourself. The Trust (LoL) will start getting the race CARD out again.
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Post by reamsofverse on May 21, 2019 19:59:40 GMT
Nothing to do with race Pat, I just want to see someone associated with the 1998 play-off game and therefore far more deserving involved in the studio on Sunday. Not having Curbs or Mendonca there would be criminal.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 20:00:35 GMT
Nothing to do with race Pat, I just want to see someone associated with the 1998 play-off game and therefore far more deserving involved in the studio on Sunday. I know that and you know that, but the Wiseman and Heffer don't.
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Post by reamsofverse on May 21, 2019 20:01:26 GMT
Fuck Wiseman and Heffer, they're just a pair of annoying wind bags!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 20:23:25 GMT
Nothing to do with race Pat, I just want to see someone associated with the 1998 play-off game and therefore far more deserving involved in the studio on Sunday. I know that and you know that, but the Wiseman and Heffer don't. Surely Mr Wiseman, wont be attending due to his dislike of Lee Bowyer.š
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 20:41:11 GMT
I know that and you know that, but the Wiseman and Heffer don't. Surely Mr Wiseman, wont be attending due to his dislike of Lee Bowyer.š Well it would be hypocritical wouldn't it. Hold on.....
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Post by bigandy99 on May 21, 2019 21:29:01 GMT
Powell is always on Sky so itās an easy booking.. plus heās available..lol
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 21:33:08 GMT
Sky don't care about getting the best possible people for the job.
They'll get whoever is easily available as long as the person concerned can do a competent job. Powell isn't perhaps the perfect choice but he's easiest to get and he'll do an OK job.
Let's not imagine Sky are really interested in the lower league play-offs. Saturday and Sunday are just side-shows to them. 99% of Sky's attention is on Aston Villa v Derby County.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 21, 2019 22:20:49 GMT
Chris Powell ticks a lot of boxes. He is a legend for us; he played for and managed us; he knows Jonnie Jackson; he managed a team that played both of the sides during the season; he was at the PFA for a while; he has played for England; he speaks very well - he can be understood, he is intelligent and doesnāt finish sentences with āInnit?ā; and he is known to Sky and can be trusted not to let them down.
And, even though it pains me to point it out, it probably ticks a box because he is a black pundit. Since Chris Hughton was sacked the world and his wife has felt the need to point out how few black managers there are in the Football League (including the Premier League). Why wouldnāt Sky want Chris Powell to add a bit of diversity, along with his intelligent observations and the kind of partisan enthusiasm that is all the rage just now?
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Post by ExeterAddick on May 22, 2019 6:49:45 GMT
My understanding is that before you can appear on any of these shows (Soccer Saturday, BT Sport Score, etc.) as a pundit, you have to pass a series of auditions just like any other TV presenter.
My guess is that thereās very few people under contract with Sky who have any affiliation to CAFC, so itās slim pickings. Mendonca, so far as I know, has no experience in front of the cameras and so suddenly drafting him in would be a risk to them
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Post by bexleyboy on May 22, 2019 8:34:32 GMT
Whatās Powell got to do with 1998 ...
Had to be Sasa , Mendonca and Gray ..... even Curbs and Reid you would understand
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 9:26:20 GMT
Whatās Powell got to do with 1998 ... Had to be Sasa , Mendonca and Gray ..... even Curbs and Reid you would understand It's perhaps worth bearing in mind that although there are clearly echoes of 1998, the entire event on Sunday doesn't revolve around that occasion. Chris Powell is the most recent Charlton manager who has worked a fair bit with Sky and is therefore easy to draft in to do the job. The only other 'easy option' candidate for Sky who springs to mind would be Iain Dowie. But even Charlton fans who don't have much time for Powell would surely concede that CP is a better choice than old boot face. Gray is the perfect choice to represent Sunderland, and he happens to be an easy option for Sky as well. Powell may not have much to do with 1998, but he has well known to neutral viewers for his Charlton connections, and he is the only manager since Curbishley to win anything with Charlton - at least until full time on Sunday, God willing.
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Post by MidlandRed on Sept 2, 2019 8:12:07 GMT
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Post by squareball on Sept 2, 2019 10:48:27 GMT
Good for him. I'm sure he'll be an asset to the setup
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 2, 2019 12:10:19 GMT
Landed himself a good job there, well done to him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:16:45 GMT
If the flat cap fits, wear it. Good luck with the new job Chris
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Post by essexaddick on Sept 2, 2019 12:26:36 GMT
A few people here and there saying that the guests on Sky for the game on Sunday are Chris Powell and Michael Gray? A fantastic player, an absolute legend for us and always will be but why is he always an analyser when we play? Chris wasn't even with us the last time we played at Wembley so why is he going to be in the Charlton corner when we play? It should be Curbs, Mark Kinsella or super Clive Mendonca surely? Because Mark Kinsella is living the quiet life back in Ireland and has little to do with football these days, Super Clive is not interested as he is living the quiet life in his native North East and probably Curbs wasn't available. Chris Powell is available and he is an ex player and Sky usually like ex players.
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Post by essexaddick on Sept 2, 2019 12:29:17 GMT
And I must write out 100 times, when replying to posts make sure to read the date and ensure it is still relevant.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Sept 2, 2019 12:35:58 GMT
He's a safe pair of hands and ticks a lot of boxes. Hope he does well in his England role.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Sept 2, 2019 14:06:11 GMT
Good luck to him. What an exciting time to be in and amongst the national team
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Post by bigandy99 on Sept 2, 2019 15:06:35 GMT
Yep, well done CP... probably a better coach than a manager.. seems weird that āfailingā at Southend makes you good enough to be involved with our elite players... not complaining, just an observation..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 16:50:52 GMT
Yep, well done CP... probably a better coach than a manager.. seems weird that āfailingā at Southend makes you good enough to be involved with our elite players... not complaining, just an observation.. There could be some political correctness associated with his appointment.
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Post by Mundell on Sept 2, 2019 17:07:12 GMT
Yep, well done CP... probably a better coach than a manager.. seems weird that āfailingā at Southend makes you good enough to be involved with our elite players... not complaining, just an observation.. There could be some political correctness associated with his appointment. Itās very explicit @lardiman This is not a meritocratic appointment. The following quote is from the BBC Sport website, āThe move is part of a Football Association programme designed to "solve the challenge of under-representation" of black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) coaches.ā The FA has also announced that Jason Euell, Marcus Bignot, Omer Riza and Matthew Thorpe will work with other age-group sides.
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Post by rationaladdick on Sept 2, 2019 17:29:13 GMT
There could be some political correctness associated with his appointment. Itās very explicit @lardiman This is not a meritocratic appointment. The following quote is from the BBC Sport website, āThe move is part of a Football Association programme designed to "solve the challenge of under-representation" of black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) coaches.ā The FA has also announced that Jason Euell, Marcus Bignot, Omer Riza and Matthew Thorpe will work with other age-group sides. Jesus Christ the FA is racist even while trying not be racist. They should have just said they felt he was a great choice and look forward to working with him. This reads as... āHe is not our first choice but we need to appear not to be racists so we hired him in desperation.ā
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 17:56:02 GMT
There could be some political correctness associated with his appointment. Itās very explicit @lardiman This is not a meritocratic appointment. The following quote is from the BBC Sport website, āThe move is part of a Football Association programme designed to "solve the challenge of under-representation" of black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) coaches.ā The FA has also announced that Jason Euell, Marcus Bignot, Omer Riza and Matthew Thorpe will work with other age-group sides. So to cut to the chase - they've employed Chris Powell because he is black. That's a sad state of affairs. Even the FA's candour doesn't do them credit I'm afraid. I'm disappointed that they have decided to behave this way, and to be honest I'm disappointed that Chris Powell is willing to take a job that was only offered to him because of his skin colour. It's up to him of course. But I'm no longer interested in whether or not he does well in the role, since that was not why he got the job.
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Post by oldred on Sept 2, 2019 18:13:06 GMT
Iām happy for him that he has got back into football regardless of the circumstances. What he does with his opportunity is up to him.
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Post by Mundell on Sept 2, 2019 20:41:10 GMT
Itās very explicit @lardiman This is not a meritocratic appointment. The following quote is from the BBC Sport website, āThe move is part of a Football Association programme designed to "solve the challenge of under-representation" of black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) coaches.ā The FA has also announced that Jason Euell, Marcus Bignot, Omer Riza and Matthew Thorpe will work with other age-group sides. So to cut to the chase - they've employed Chris Powell because he is black. That's a sad state of affairs. Even the FA's candour doesn't do them credit I'm afraid. I'm disappointed that they have decided to behave this way, and to be honest I'm disappointed that Chris Powell is willing to take a job that was only offered to him because of his skin colour. It's up to him of course. But I'm no longer interested in whether or not he does well in the role, since that was not why he got the job. This is obviously is very difficult and sensitive area. So much so that Iām somewhat reluctant to express a clear opinion. However, I confess that my instinctive reaction is in sympathy with yours. Iām deeply troubled by positive discrimination. This approach is becoming increasingly common in the work place as far as gender equality is concerned. There is no doubt that women are at a significant advantage compared to āequivalent malesā when applying for senior management and/or non executive positions, for example. While I strongly believe we all need to ensure we deal effectively with unconscious bias, Iām not convinced, personally, that positive discrimination of this type is the answer. Just my perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 21:04:50 GMT
I can understand your discomfort Mundell However well-intentioned, positive discrimination boils down to just another form of racism. Any system which uses race as a factor in decision making is by definition racist. Just as we can never defeat injustice by acting unjustly, we will never defeat racism by being racist.
It's odd though, as well as depressing to me that I was willing to 'look the other way' regarding the racism indulged in by the FA while I only suspected it, and only speculate about it with a passing comment about political correctness. Now that I know it is racism I can't let it pass. I believe the FA is wrong to try to tackle racism in this way, and the people it has offered positions to are wrong to allow themselves to be used like that. Sometimes you read a story and afterwards you feel just a little bit uplifted by it - as if you can see from it that the world is a slightly better place than you thought it was a few minutes earlier. My feelings are the opposite after being told this. Everything is just a little bit diminished. My faith in human nature has been chipped away just a fraction, and my admiration for Chris Powell too, which I have held for years, is chipped away just a little bit. In a nutshell - bugger. I'm a bit deflated now.
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