TIME FOR ADMINISTRATION

[bexleyboy]

Forget promotion with Parky in charge we don't have a chance anyway..

Time to get this club back on track..Murray put this club intp admin forget your money if you support the club like you say you do sell now ...

We can then get new owners new manager and have hope at thye moment we have nothing to look into the future for..

[reamsofverse]

Absolutely and with a heavy heart I have to say I would F'n love to see Murray walk away with what he deserves.....Fuck all.

Let's take it and take it just as soon as our season is over next month, sell the half breeds that some of them are and then buyers will come flocking and we start again with a manager who can manage an players who want to play for the shirt.

I would rather go the Wimbledon way than have to go through anymore of the circus that is going on now, it will kill us before long.

[Deleted]

I see ur post was removed from cl bexley

[DFT]

Normally I would say yes but it fucking hurts me so much to think that the fucking scum from down the road will finish above us. Mind you, they probably will anyway after they beat us in a fortnight!
Fuck it, I am so pissed off with Charlton that right now I wouldn't mind if they put me out of my misery and went out of business completely!

[reamsofverse]

fook it, I am so pissed off with Charlton that right now I wouldn't mind if they put me out of my misery and went out of business completely!

Agree with you totally, once again they have left me feeling so downcast tonight and I am getting to a point where slowly but surely I have had enough of the let downs.

It's all getting too obvious for me, how many times is it now where we have had a chance to keep the pressure on but blown it 3, 4, 5 even. The season is again descending into one of falseness, maybe finishing between 7th an 10th was what we were destined for all along.

[offit]

We lose a game and you want us to go out of business completely?

Unbe-fooking-leivable. You totally disgust me with those comments. Totally disgraceful. You call yourself fans? Bollocks are you.

[Deleted]

we lost more than 'a game' , its the over all performance, you cant deny it offit , the play is bloody awful. There is something very wrong in the dressing room , in fact , roots up the club is going 'bad'.
From what i can tell and this isnt a knee jerk reaction , the reasons for the club not being in admin already is due partly to Murray wanting his money back (can you blame him) and the fact that the Valley is worth millions.
Now , think about this, we dont go up , players have to go , an offer comes in backed by a property developer, can you see where im going, we cant fill 30k seats now and for wont next season , whats the point of a ground the size of the valley when you can have a nice new little 'out of town' number built for you now now,,, come along happy Charlton fans, look at your new ground ,, arnt you all happy !
ps only fans with passion and pride would post what you find so disgraceful ,, did you manage to find any positives from the game ??

[offit]

"only fans with passion and pride would post what you find so disgraceful"

Sorry Andy, that's bollocks. I don't see how wishing that your club - YOUR OWN CLUB - goes out of business and ceases to exist shows either of those qualities. Seriously, think about it for a minute. Do you really want to see the end of Charlton? REALLY???

As for the game, it was total crap.

[Deleted]

Never want to see the end of Charlton , but i can understand where the guys are coming from. Its no longer the Charlton we knew, im afraid my club was sold up the river the moment Dowie was employed.
There are plenty of games for us to catch up , but we look bloody awful , something has to happen. Thing is we have no options & no cash hence maybe the attitude of the squad ? they dont care, still get paid, no competition for places etc
Remember the likes of Nelson , Kins, Brown , etc kissing the badge ,,,, <sigh>

[Deleted]

Remember the majority of the squad contracts are up at the end of the season so they might not even bother. I thought the best player for us for a loan signing Jackson.

Regarding the admin and out of business question. I think the doubters of Murray and the rest of the minor board members want them out any which way so it looks like the only way they will go if we go into admin very unlikely as andyaddick says he doesnt want to lose the £15 million quid. Though he would still own The Valley and the traning ground if he moved it into one of his non football businesses.

I think this club needs a fresh start across the board but not leaving The Valley unless a new 40k stadium is built next to the dome with new owners. Shame AEG is not interested maybe they were/or are we dont know what happens behind the scenes.

[leftbehind]

Offit its just come to me why people moan when we lose, as we rarely lose giving a good display its always shocking.

We all hate losing but if you can walk away from the ground knowing the boys run themselves ragged battle for the full 90 mins and give 100% you could swallow it to a certain degree.

As for Admin for me Jury is out seems to work for some clubs they get the palce running OK and then sort a buyer out

[DFT]

Who said they wished the club went out of business?

I said it wouldn't bother me....there is a difference

[DFT]

The Valley is pretty worthless as Greenwich Council will only allow it to be used for leisure.

[reamsofverse]

The saddest thing about the Valley is that some damn fine footballers have graced it down the years, but not anymore.

It's a grand stadium and if a footballer cannot play there he can't play anywhere, that kindf of goes hand in hand with everything that is going on at the moment.

[terryducks]

with off-it never want to be like afc wimbledon ,new history and all that,i would rather be a club who comes through adversity and still be here,i would be quite pissed off if we fell away,and would not have any love for anything new.

[Deleted]

"Though he would still own The Valley and the traning ground if he moved it into one of his non football businesses" sounds like we are doing a 'palace' was it Ron Nodes that owned thier ground and had em over a barrel ?

[leftbehind]

Feb 23, 2010 23:15:16 GMT @petetong1 said:

I see ur post was removed from cl bexley

Shock horror

[reamsofverse]

It isn’t a knee jerk reaction offit, this is not based on last night’s result, it is based on what we have descended into as a team, we are a shadow of the side that were taking opponents to the cleaners before Christmas.

I like Parkinson a s a bloke, I admire what he has tried to do but it is as clear as day that he is limited in his ideas, some our performances since mid December have been absolutely shocking and there is no sign that it is going to end. I find it unacceptable that in recent weeks two clubs fighting for their lives in this decision have come to our place and wanted it more, they have shown fight and a resilience to want to stay in League 1 and in both games over the 90 minutes they have shown that they want to stay in this league a lot more than we want to get out of it.

I can’t get to most games, I think I have only managed 9 this season other priorities have seen to that but to be honest in those 9 games alone I have seen us gradually become an average side, the Tranmere game was my last and it was woeful.

If people could see the light at the end of the tunnel perhaps we wouldn’t have this reaction but make no mistake about it we look like a side who are in serious decline, last night for example was another of those games where as soon as we went 1-0 down you just knew that that was it, we don’t have two goals in us to bounce back nor do we have any kind of game plan to turn things around, ok Yeovil was an exception but would we have won that game if we had gone a goal down?

As I said above Parkinson has run out of ideas, Breacker and Kinsella haven’t got anything different to offer him either so there is one downfall to start with, a three man management team who cannot come up with a plan B,plan A has been tried and tested it worked for us for a while then it was doomed and these men can recycle it as much as they want but it won’t change a thing.

Lets look at our style of play, we have supposedly two wingers who don’t have the confidence to run at the full back when they do it always breaks down, they also play to wide Bailey and Racon are then exposed and are getting crowded out in the middle that is why neither of them are putting their foot on the ball it’s all rushed and 9 times out of 10 Mooney and Burton are getting the ball played into them with their backs to goal 30 yards out, you need to have something in your locker to be a good striker from there, neither of them are.

I am going to end this now as I am in work and getting more and more agitated as I write it but I will add one final thing and that is to say that this is the worst Charlton team that I have ever seen at set piece and dead ball situations.

When was the last time we scored directly from a free kick? Bailey against Barnet maybe?. When was the last time that we scored the kind of goal that Sam Sodje did against MK Dons when he rose like a salmon from a corner kick. When was the last time anybody scored the type of goal that Reid did last Saturday, receiving the ball in his own half and running 30 yards before unleashing a long range shot? ……….Good sides do this every other week not once in a blue moon.

We have nothing about us , nothing at all.

[bexleyboy]

Attn--OFFIT

Fact Murray has no money he said that him self...so how the hell are we as a club going to move forward without money..

We have to take the knock there is no other way..groups will not pay 40 mill when they can get it for half the price and at least 2 groups are waiting for us to go inot admin..

[sidcupsid]

Feb 24, 2010 13:59:23 GMT bexleyboy said:

Attn--OFFIT

We have to take the knock there is no other way..groups will not pay 40 mill when they can get it for half the price and at least 2 groups are waiting for us to go inot admin..

I'd like to think your right Bexleyboy but who do you think the two groups are who are waiting for us to go into Admin?

[Deleted]

"least 2 groups are waiting for us to go into admin" who are these Bexley ? can you give your source ?

[jackcharlton]

I like this board although I rarely post. I like negativity, I'm a Joy Division fan. When it comes to the team however I normally err on the side of Offit, after all we could be in a worse position. At the moment I'm really fooked off with the team, with the play and with the players, recently the only balls we see on the park are those that go in our net.
However, I don't abide with the continuous personal attacks, especially on Murray. We are fortunate to have a real fan at the top, irrespective of the mistakes made and yes, there have been a shedload - it's human nature, I'm no different and nor are you. This man has invested not only his money but also a major part of his life bringing us back from the almost-dead. What do you want, a Portsmouth situation? A Notts County situation?
I don't give a toss how many years you've supported the team, how many games you've seen, how many miles you've travelled or even if you've got a Fat Peter Garland tattoo on your right arse cheek, that man is at the summit as fans go and deserves better than what is dished more far too frequently on this board. To say he deserves to walk away with nothing is beneath contempt. Don't ruin this board by making constant personal attacks on the person at the head of ours.

[reamsofverse]

A very well thought out post Jack and before anybody says anything I am being serious. This is what debate is about, Jack's post will be applauded by those who think along the same lines as him, those of us who disagree on the Murray issue can now post our response.

Mine is this, Murray did bring us back from the dead yes I have you right on that but unless some common sense prevails he will take us back there in the not too distant future. The only way he will ever get his money back now is by selling players and if/when he does that and walks away none the worse for his journey we will be left with a group of plkayers who are too young and too experienced but will be forced to get by with the help of yet more loans and free transfers..........where will that get us??

My opinion is it will create a carbon copy of what happened after we were relegated from the Prem, it's already happening right now, a promising start to a season at a lower level only to fall away at the end, didn't that happen in the Championship?? Yes it did and the following season we were relegated and if Murray holds out for his money it will happen again next season.

He has gambled his personal wealth and lost, did he not tell us not so long back that he informed other board members that should they get involved they should prepare for possibly the same fate?? Yes he did and they did lose their money too so where is all the reinbursement going to come from? By selling the players that's where and leaving us up shit creek without a paddle next season.

Finally I disagree with the word contempt that you have used, why should he walk away with anything at all and why is it below contempt for suggesting that he should, he has had millions and blown it on bad decisions that have taken us to League 1.

[jackcharlton]

Reams, I respect your view and if I don't agree then that's fine, we're adults and opinion are like arseholes, we've all got one.
He has had millions and yes, as I stated, he has blown it on dumbarse decions but for a time, he also took us to the golden land and for that will, for me. always be a Charlton legend and not worthy of certain opinions posted here. Reams, without Murray we would have been perennial lower 2nd division (old money 2nd) strugglers and remained such without being any the wiser. I'm thankful that for a few short years, he and the staff he assembled around him, took us across and showed us success above our level. What is that old cliche? Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all? Whoever wrote that maybe had Charlton in mind. I respect our differences but differences they remain. Cheers. J.

[Deleted]

I was thinking roger alwen saved our arses when he took us back to the valley. One alan curbishley was responsible for going up and staying in the prem. Murray got lucky appointing him a cheap option at the time that paid off the following managerial decisions especially the cheap dowie appointment have been a massive fail. Remember the 15 million is a friendly loan at the moment that can be called in anytime. Its murrays ball and he is rightfully playing with it. Like to know if there was a power strugle with chappel

[Deleted]

Attn Jack , "irrespective of the mistakes made and yes, there have been a shedload - it's human nature" its not 'human nature' to make the amount of mistakes at this level of business, in this case and with the fequency of 'mistakes' its become incompetence !

[offit]

Feb 24, 2010 13:59:23 GMT bexleyboy said:

Attn--OFFIT

Fact Murray has no money he said that him self...so how the hell are we as a club going to move forward without money..

We have to take the knock there is no other way..groups will not pay 40 mill when they can get it for half the price and at least 2 groups are waiting for us to go inot admin..

Not sure why you are adressing that to me in particular, or if there is anything I am supposed to respond to or answer specifically.

However, as sidcupsid asked earlier, how do you know there are "at least 2 groups" waiting in the wings?

Also, I'm interested in your background and why you think administration will be the golden ticket for us - do you have a background in that sort of thing?

I often get involved with administrations/liquidations in a professional capacity and it seems to me that it could be a disaster for us, but am happy to be put right if you know different.

[Deleted]

Offit, its another Becleyboy fantasy , next he'll be using terms like 'locked on' ,,, yawn

[somerton]

Adminastration would put Charlton football club back 20 years, it is not the panacea many believe it to be. For example the first thing an adminastrator would do away with is are football academy saving one milion pounds a year. I doubt any new owner buying the club on the cheap would start one up againor even a centre of excelence, no we will rely on the dregs of players from other clubs.

[Deleted]

There is talk about scrapping the academy if we dont go up. That is a fact.