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Post by matt1990 on Feb 11, 2010 17:12:57 GMT
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Post by bexleyboy on Feb 11, 2010 17:32:16 GMT
Strange not another fall out with Murray
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Post by leftbehind on Feb 11, 2010 18:04:30 GMT
Not good only been back since Sept
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Post by sidcupsid on Feb 11, 2010 21:25:58 GMT
Maybe he just sees the club going backwards Maybe it has something to do with the failed takeovers,maybe he just sees to many obsticles being put in the way by the board so he thinks 'whats the f..king point'.It's an impossible job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2010 8:08:25 GMT
Probarbly end up as West Hams chief exec.
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Post by DFT on Feb 12, 2010 17:08:43 GMT
That really worries me cos I saw Varney as the man who could get us back on track. Bad news for Charlton I fear!
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Post by canterburyaddick on Feb 12, 2010 22:40:49 GMT
What I know of Peter Varney he seems like a decent guy. But wasn't he part of that vilified group of people who bought duff players as directed by Dowie and put them on Prem wages. Quite happy to be told I'm wrong.
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Post by redredroosta on Feb 13, 2010 11:01:04 GMT
What I know of Peter Varney he seems like a decent guy. But wasn't he part of that vilified group of people who bought duff players as directed by Dowie and put them on Prem wages. Quite happy to be told I'm wrong. Yep,you're right,he was.......along with the rest of the goons that are STILL there.So it's Varney's fault alone now is it or are you just trying to use him to justify why we should all stick with,ignore their monumental mistakes and love the current board? As far as i'm concerned Varney was a Charlton bloke through-and-through and if he can walk away from the club as he sees it as only going one way and a hopeless cause (as we assume) then maybe it's time for any rose-tinted fans that are blinded by their undying 'Love' for the club to wake up and realise we could be in major problems in the summer if we fail to get promotion. I have a feeling that this season will make or break our club and failure to get promotion will see ticket sales nosedive and we'll be an in limbo mid-table league 1 team with the threat of relegation to league 2 hanging over us every now-and-again. This makes me so angry with the board that we could have fallen so far and - like it or not - it IS the board's fault and Murray's insistance on being on any potential buyer's board is threatening the club further! I bet Palarse get a buyer before us and we have so much more to offer as a club than them. I have supported the club for the last 26 years and seen us leave The Valley etc but my patience is wearing thin with this takeover crap that has being dragging on for almost EIGHTEEN MONTHS now and can feel myself giving up the ghost and going on a match-by-match basis from next season. Thanks for nearly killing the club Murray et al.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Feb 13, 2010 14:02:41 GMT
"So it's Varney's fault alone now is it or are you just trying to use him to justify why we should all stick with,ignore their monumental mistakes and love the current board?"
That's a massive leap from my point Red. Just some here seemed to have him down as the Messiah, when he has, it seems to me, made many of the mistakes of the current board. Yeah he's Charlton through and through, but so are Murray, Chappell, Ufton and all, like it or not. However if it's true that Murray's insistence on being on the board of any take over is true, and it's a big if, then he is totally out of order if that is scuppering inward investment. In business normally the existing CEO and chairman are the first out the door.
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Post by offit on Feb 13, 2010 15:03:56 GMT
So, the chips are down but you're going to just walk away because you "love" the club are you redredroosta?
Ok, your decision - thanks for your support in our hour of need.
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Post by redredroosta on Feb 13, 2010 16:54:24 GMT
So, the chips are down but you're going to just walk away because you "love" the club are you redredroosta? Ok, your decision - thanks for your support in our hour of need. Not at all.I've been a season ticket holder for the last 10 or so years and have always missed between 5-10 games a season due to a change of job 5 years ago but had always swallowed this as the money was going to the club and to a board that used to know how to spend mine and other supporter's hard-earned money wisely but evidence over the past few seasons has proved to be to the contrary. So,as I said,I will continue to support the club on an ad-hoc basis as I really would rather keep my money in my pocket when I can't go as opposed to it lining the pockets of this current shower of a board as it CLEARLY isn't being spent on the team and shouldn't also be needed to keep the club alive considering the amount of money that came into the club over the last 10 years unless - as I believe - it's been severely and poorly mismanaged.
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Post by offit on Feb 13, 2010 18:17:36 GMT
Oh come on mate. Saying the board are incompetent and stupid, or that they have made bad decisions is one thing, but suggesting they are somehoe lining their own pockets is just madness!
Have a look at the published accounts. Have a look at the wage bill and the income. Where exactly is money being creamed off the top?
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Post by redredroosta on Feb 13, 2010 18:32:06 GMT
No.You're right - they are all doing out of the goodness of their own hearts....
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Post by offit on Feb 13, 2010 18:44:08 GMT
Seriously mate. Do you really think they are lining their own pockets?
If that's the case, what about the money they have all lobbed in? You don't get shares for nothing. Unless of course they were coining from the payroll under the name of Mr J F Haselbaink for two years after he left!
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Post by redredroosta on Feb 13, 2010 20:12:34 GMT
Seriously mate.Do you really think they have been on the board and not made ANY monetary gain from that?Do you work for nothing?They weren't all loaded sugar daddies with more money than sense.All I am saying is that we had a large amount of cash coming into the club over the last 10 years and if some hadn't gone into their pockets then it's gone on over-inflated wages for average players and average players for ridiculous transfer fees and if that IS the case then those decisions must finally fall at the door of the board which was my original arguement............that the board have brought the club to it's knees and are a complete shower.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 13, 2010 20:41:19 GMT
Murray is a wanker ...............End of.
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Post by redredroosta on Feb 13, 2010 21:26:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 21:33:44 GMT
im sure we all agree on one thing, if we dont go up this season, its the end of Charlton
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Post by terryducks on Feb 13, 2010 23:27:40 GMT
parkinson knows whats expected and if he fails the shit hits the fan
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Post by offit on Feb 14, 2010 13:49:50 GMT
Seriously mate.Do you really think they have been on the board and not made ANY monetary gain from that?Do you work for nothing?They weren't all loaded sugar daddies with more money than sense.All I am saying is that we had a large amount of cash coming into the club over the last 10 years and if some hadn't gone into their pockets then it's gone on over-inflated wages for average players and average players for ridiculous transfer fees and if that IS the case then those decisions must finally fall at the door of the board which was my original arguement............that the board have brought the club to it's knees and are a complete shower. That's not the same point though is it? You said they were "lining their pockets", which suggests they are/were on the take. Paying too much in fees/wages for crap players is NOT the same thing as creaming some off the top and feathering your own nest, is it? As I said before, the accounts are independently audited, published and are a matter of public record. They also contain statements as to any payments made to businesses that may be "connected" to directors, but I can't see anything in them that suggests that what you were saying is right. Have a go at the board for their mistakes by all means, that's your right, but I think you should be careful before throwing statements around suggesting anything more sinister.
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Post by offit on Feb 14, 2010 13:52:00 GMT
Murray is a wanker ...............End of. The voice of reason speaks again. What a well thought out and intelligent post. Forgive me if I take everything you say with a massive pinch of salt. After all, I'm still waiting for you to explain how we have effectively lost four games in the last nine, or whatever that bizarre stat was you came out with a week or so ago. Laughable.
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Post by offit on Feb 14, 2010 13:55:18 GMT
im sure we all agree on one thing, if we dont go up this season, its the end of Charlton Charlton will never die mate - we wouldn't let it. Sure, the club might eventually go bust and get slung out of the league, but there will always be something else that comes along to take it's place - a la AFC Wimbledon.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 14, 2010 16:08:01 GMT
Only you would disect that comment offit and make something of it, you know what I meant and so do other people, 12 points won out of the last 27 equates to the equivalent of 4 wins, so we got have dropped 15 points in total which may as well be 5 games without any return.
As for the Murray comment IN MY OPINION HE IS A WANKER, now you can either respect it or you dodn't either way I couldn't give a toss, how much lower is he going to take the club before he finally gets it in to his thick skull, HE AINT GONNA GET HIS MONEY BACK.
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Post by offit on Feb 14, 2010 16:12:43 GMT
Only you would disect that comment offit and make something of it, Maybe that's because I'm the only one that bothers to pick you up on the spiteful and bitter bollocks you spout sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2010 17:28:09 GMT
im sure we all agree on one thing, if we dont go up this season, its the end of Charlton Charlton will never die mate - we wouldn't let it. Sure, the club might eventually go bust and get slung out of the league, but there will always be something else that comes along to take it's place - a la AFC Wimbledon. call me a 'glory' hunter, but im not prepared to 'follow / suppoort' an AFC Wimbledon type cop out. The Board have destroyed the club we suppoted and gave our hard earned too . Im sure you'll counter with the numerous millions the board have put in , remember its them that got us here, appointing Dowie / Les and Pardew, poor poor business , was it Billy Davies that turned us down ? did he smell a rat ?? makes you wonder
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 14, 2010 17:34:36 GMT
What's spiteful about it, I am giving my opinion of the man using a word that I best see fit, maybe on a messageboard is not the place but how likely is it that I will see him in person, if it was I would happily walk up to him and tell him personally.
Just don't get it do you, the man has ploughed money in and fooked it up he's now on the verge of fooking the club up big time too, he has put us in the third tier of English football there is only one league lower, the £7m he and others put in not long ago was not even their money it was borrowed from the bank against the sale of the club when it happens, that is one of the reasons that we can't sell because Murray is borrowing cash to try and get his back but everytime he does some new owner is going to be told the price has just gone up, whatever the bank give him he's just adding it on to what it will cost to buy us or he'lk sell a player or two to cover it.
Put it this way he knows that we will get more money if we sell 5 or 6 players than what we will if we go up, funny how our form has dropped since Xmas then isn't it, it wouldn't surprise me if the greedy twat wants it all, automatic promotion isn't as financially rewarding for him as what it would be if we went up via the play-offs, wonder what instructions PP has really had from upstairs??
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Post by offit on Feb 14, 2010 17:55:58 GMT
And you call Murray a wanker. You sad sad man.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Feb 14, 2010 18:02:49 GMT
Reams where do you get this from. You seem to have built up a hatred in your mind for Murray that comes out in these bizarre conspiracy theories. Now if you have some evidence apart from past appointment mistakes, then let's have it!
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 14, 2010 19:17:35 GMT
The thing is offit messageboards just aren't the thing for you are they, because you just don't seem to like other people's opinions.
Mstone we'll all know soon enough, Murray is taking us under, never mind the Now if you have some evidence apart from past appointment mistakes, then let's have it! Come May people will see him for what he really is and what that is, is really down to opinion.
By the way where do you get his only mistakes were appointment mistakes from?? Does he not sanction transfers and what money players should be on? the answer is yes he did and he paid silly money and allowed managers to buy the likes of Diawara WHO IN HIS OWN WORDS admitting to paying the highest wage to a centre half that he had never heard of!!!
It's not just down to his appointment decisions, Curbishley was not only manager he was Murray's advisor and once he was gone Murray was like a fish out of water some of the signings were a disaster and woeful decisions made three years ago we are still paying for now, having no money for decent players will impact our season come the end of it.
We are in League 1 because of Richard Murray and if we don't get out of it this season it will be for the same reason so all those pro Murray supporters come back and talk to me when he finally admits he has fooked up, but walks away none the worse financially after selling our best players to pay for his failure over the past three years.
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Post by offit on Feb 14, 2010 19:47:57 GMT
Ha ha - laughable. I don't mind other people giving their opinions, it's you that seems to have the problem with me giving mine.
The thing is that you are like a stuck record old son, ranting on all of the time. You don't ever seem to post anything that doesn't involve slagging someone else off or moaning. You seem to want to find fault with just about everything but never come up with anything constructive.
Just how would you, SuperReams, get us out of the mess we're in then? What would you do different to the current board now? Come on, I'm all ears.
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