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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2009 17:15:50 GMT
3 draws, simply not good enough , 7 points should have been gained , not 3
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 28, 2009 17:41:31 GMT
Just about to create a thread on this myself Andy, I agree 3 points out of a possible 9 is not good enough from a side who regard themselves as serious promotion candidates.
Millwall should have left our place with nothing, Swindon was a great point considering the circumstances and Brentford despite their recent good run should really be a side that we make up for our recent blip against.
So it's a definite four points dropped for me, anybody who disagrees wants to take a look at the league table, Norwich and Colchester will both go ahead of us if they win their games in hand whilst the gap between us and 7th place has been cut to 10 points when it was 15 going into Xmas. Add to that fact that we could have gone top 3 games ago but now sit 8 points behind Leeds and you will realise that the last three games have been damaging to us.
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Post by terryducks on Dec 28, 2009 17:51:48 GMT
really anything but auto is crap,were a big club in a shit league
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Post by offit on Dec 28, 2009 18:05:15 GMT
100% agree. This is a rubbish league and we shouldn't have dropped ANY points at all - ok maybe 2 at Leeds, but that's it. We should be 20 points clear by now but at this rate we'll be lucky to stay up when you think about what MIGHT happen.
We're lucky to be where we are but we've been found out big time - as our two defeats all season and no defeats in 7 or 8 go to prove.
Everything is shit. The players are shit, the board are shit, the fans are shit. Everything's going wrong and you can't say I haven't warned you because I've been telling you for months now.
Sack Parky, sack the players and sack the incompetent board, yardy yardy yar, dribble dribble.
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Post by terryducks on Dec 28, 2009 18:14:14 GMT
and when we plunged two divisions in three seasons your feelings were?
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Post by ExeterAddick on Dec 28, 2009 18:20:49 GMT
100% agree. This is a rubbish league and we shouldn't have dropped ANY points at all - ok maybe 2 at Leeds, but that's it. We should be 20 points clear by now but at this rate we'll be lucky to stay up when you think about what MIGHT happen. We're lucky to be where we are but we've been found out big time - as our two defeats all season and no defeats in 7 or 8 go to prove. Everything is shit. The players are shit, the board are shit, the fans are shit. Everything's going wrong and you can't say I haven't warned you because I've been telling you for months now. Sack Parky, sack the players and sack the incompetent board, yardy yardy yar, dribble dribble. Quite right offit. After all, the club's done fantastically over the last few years and never given any of our fans cause for pessimism. Let's just all focus on how great these draws are, and ignore Leeds romping away from us and Norwich/Colchester/Huddersfield right up our arses. This is the way football works, mate. Plenty of praise for the lads when we were doing brilliantly earlier in the season, now a little bit of criticism that we're dropping points against shit teams. We all know the playoffs are a lottery, so even you might grasp the importance of finishing in the top 2. But, if you want, we can all wait until we slip to 3rd or 4th or 7th before anyone says anything negative. After all, that sort of chin-up happy-clappy attitude has served us really well over the last couple of years. I love lavishing praise on us when we're winning, but when we're dropping points all over the gaff, i've got a £300 season ticket that says i'm allowed to come on here and have a little moan.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 28, 2009 18:58:03 GMT
Well said Exeteraddick, in my book we now have an easyish run on paper where we need to take maximium points because in March we start a nightmare run away from home including consecutive games at Southampton, Huddersfield and Mk Dons to name a few.
Offit the two games unbeaten statistic is a proud one but it's no good when we are drawing left right and centre especially when the teams around us are winning, will you be as sarcastic when we are 4th in a couple of weeks?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2009 19:30:56 GMT
'The players are shit, the board are shit, the fans are shit. '
You got one right out of the 3 offit. I hope we do go up and think we will scrap through due to Parkinsons management but if we did Im not looking forward to the mediocre postion that our current owner wants from us next season in the championship. Lack of ambition yet again they should really learn by their past mistakes. Some of the fans on here who seem to be negative beliveve or not are more ambitious than you think.
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Post by offit on Dec 28, 2009 20:43:15 GMT
"When we are 4th" Reams? I bow to your crystal ball, obviously, but by my reckoning we'll be lucky to be in a play off place come Jan 1.
Sack everyone. No ambition, no nous, no guts or determination. I know best, trust me.
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Post by offit on Dec 28, 2009 20:47:43 GMT
and when we plunged two divisions in three seasons your feelings were? Oh I was ecstatic, over the moon in fact. After all, it meant I could sharpen up my keyboard and get straight on the internet to spout bile and hatred and just about anyone and everyone. How about you?
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Post by terryducks on Dec 28, 2009 21:08:35 GMT
and when we plunged two divisions in three seasons your feelings were? Oh I was ecstatic, over the moon in fact. After all, it meant I could sharpen up my keyboard and get straight on the internet to spout bile and hatred and just about anyone and everyone. How about you? LOL
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Post by jackcharlton on Dec 28, 2009 21:20:38 GMT
TBF I say only two points dropped, against Millwall. After Saturday's exertions for an hour with 9 men and considering we didn't have our fiirst choice back four today, personally I don't consider today 2 points dropped. We're coming from behind in games now people, as opposed to last season, get some positivity for fcuk's sake.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 28, 2009 22:06:48 GMT
Coming from behind is not a fact that is lost on me all I am saying is that once we have dragged ourselves level we seem to be lacking a cutting edge to go on and win the game.
Can't fault the committment and the rolling up of sleeves at all we appear to be a side who does not want to get beaten, the passion is also there but I do think that strength in depth is a problem that needs sorting out quickly, a left winger and goalscorer are a must in January otherwise we'll be regretting it in May.
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Post by swordfish on Dec 28, 2009 22:50:42 GMT
It IS worrying that we've drawn three in a row, no doubt about that. But we COULD have lost them, and last season, we would have done. We were patched up today with an erratic and a midfielder as our two centre backs and two strikers who are total strangers. I agree totally that we can't afford to draw so many games, but it COULD be worse. If we'd lost them we'd be third now and a lot worse off for it... And we'd have the chronic loss of morale too which frankly we haven't dealt with particularly well over the last three years. The important thing is to turn it around and win the next few matches, because if nothing else it keeps us in second place and we might even gain a couple of points on Leeds again. We CAN'T AFFORD crumble as we did at this time two years ago in the Championship under P*rdew. That's my worst fear, and it can't be allowed to happen.
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Post by hongkongaddick on Dec 29, 2009 0:54:08 GMT
Half full or half empty?
v Millwall - 2 points dropped v Swindon - 1 point gained under the circumstances v Brentford - even-stevens given the injury/suspension crisis and the Bees' form.
If you'd asked me before the 3 games, I'd have said min 7 points needed.
You ask me now, it's one point dropped set against a maintained unbeaten home record. I'll stick with what we've ended up with thanks.
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Post by swordfish on Dec 29, 2009 1:44:51 GMT
Half full or half empty? v Millwall - 2 points dropped v Swindon - 1 point gained under the circumstances v Brentford - even-stevens given the injury/suspension crisis and the Bees' form. If you'd asked me before the 3 games, I'd have said min 7 points needed. You ask me now, it's one point dropped set against a maintained unbeaten home record. I'll stick with what we've ended up with thanks.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 29, 2009 10:36:25 GMT
It's all well and good us drawing games and claiming unbeaten records at home or overall in 9 games but in the cold light of day our automatic promotion rivals are on a charge and we can't afford to do anything other than match their results.
I can't see how fellow fans can be happy with 3 points from the last nine when the likes have Leeds, Norwich and Colchester have taken maximum points or 7 points at least.
When you are challenging for promotion I hear and read so often that we should just worry about ourselves and what other teams do, well after the Xmas period I am worrying about what we have done because like it or not we have been reeled in by a couple of other sides that don't look like dropping points at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 10:53:15 GMT
"After Saturday's exertions for an hour with 9 men" as i say , not good enough , we should NOT have lost 2 players in the first place , as for Millwall, did you see the goals we conceeded ?? and the Brentford goal , complete shite defending , have a look at the stats they dont lie, we have conceeded far fat too many
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Post by offit on Dec 29, 2009 12:04:15 GMT
Agree Andy. Let's give up now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 16:28:47 GMT
im only comparing us to the teams around us, if we win the next 3 im sure all things will be rosey in the garden. Do you consider the players have performed in a proffesional maner with the sending offs and letting in goals in the 94th min then ?
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Post by swordfish on Dec 29, 2009 17:45:10 GMT
We can't expect everyone to suffer a dip in form at the same time as us. The important thing is to deal with the dip when it comes, and I don't think three draws is a bad outcome when we could have lost all three. Everyone else will lose games between now and the end of the season and as long as we're through our bad patch now, we'll be ok. That's all I'm saying. If we don't win at least 3 of our next 4 games though, we'll be extremely fortunate to still be in second place. So I'm not complaining yet, let's see if we can get some wins back on the board before we decide all is lost.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Dec 29, 2009 18:51:48 GMT
I'd be interested to hear from someone who could make Brentford. The stats said that we had most of the possession, shots and corners. Though we only drew, that suggests a pretty decent away performance with a patched up team. The other 2 games - a local derby, well they're always draws anyway, and Swindon, we have to take the positives from that weird game. Would have hoped to have seen 7 points, but with a few of the wounded back-well we'll see.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 29, 2009 20:38:38 GMT
Tbh swordfish, I don't think anybody is saying all is lost, of course it's not we are only half way through the season but the point I am trying to make, and I think is a very valid one, is what we have lost is the cushion or comfort zone over teams around us which not so long ago was 6 or 7 points and I think being dismissive of it by saying that 3 points from the last three games is good enough is being naive, it would be good if we were consolidating our position but we are not we are DROPPING points and in doing so opening the door for Norwich and co.
Don't get me wrong, if having a sticky spell means we are drawing games and not losing them then that's fine by me but you have to admit that suddenly our second position looks very vulnerable having played more games than anybody else in the top 6.
I also believe that our chance is now, because keeping Norwich at bay is easier than it will be if we end up playing catch up with them, if and when they go above us.
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Post by offit on Dec 30, 2009 1:33:56 GMT
Are they still not above us yet? Bugger!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2009 12:34:56 GMT
Are they still not above us yet? Bugger! this wasnt about Norwich being above us, this was a commnet that 3 points from 3 games for a promotion chasing team at this time of the year is not good enough. having 2 players sent off is not good enough , letting a goal in at 4-3 up againts 10 men ,, is not good enough.
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Post by offit on Dec 30, 2009 14:29:31 GMT
Agree Andy. Let's give up now. Completely agree Andy. I've said it once, and I'll say it again - let's just give up now then, yes?
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Post by ExeterAddick on Dec 30, 2009 16:00:25 GMT
chin-up offit, let's not give up. Let's all pat the players, management and board on the back whatever they do. After all, that's what football's all about, isn't it? Grinning and smiling through each result like a bunch of braindead mongs, with never a bad word to say about our own club. Makes football really exciting when everyone's got exactly the same, happy-clappy positive opinion, regardless of the result. I might even stop going to the games or looking at the scores, and instead just come on here after every game and write, "Great effort today lads, we're still absolutely faltless and beyond criticism, keep it up"
Then maybe i'll hunt out every little bit of criticism on the site and respond to it like an arrogant, petulant, sarcastic little kid. I bet that'll make me feel really big.
If everyone's coerced into having exactly the same opinion of the team, then shot-down with sarcasm if they express their own opinion, what are we going to end up with? Charlton Life, I suppose.
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Post by offit on Dec 30, 2009 18:03:50 GMT
Oooooooooooooo - someones got the ump!!!
I love it when people bang on about being able to express their opinion then call people "arrogant, petulant, sarcastic littel kids" for expressing theirs! You see the double standard their Exeter? (Hmmm ... maybe not)
What do you suggest we do then? Whinge on about something that may never happen and always look on the downside, or shall we just get on with it without constantly wetting our knickers about how shite the future is DEFINITELY going to be???
And I tell you what, it's amazing how many times I come on here and someone chucks a comment in about Charlton Life, as if it's meant as some sort of insult and I run the bloody thing. There's a lot of McCains on peoples shoulders round here. Strange really that for something that's clearly so banal and limp, most people on here seem to be looking over there pretty regularly. But as I say ...... doesn't really bother me, I do what I like.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Dec 30, 2009 19:14:08 GMT
Oooooooooooooo - someones got the ump!!! I love it when people bang on about being able to express their opinion then call people "arrogant, petulant, sarcastic littel kids for expressing theirs! You see the double standard their Exeter? (Hmmm ... maybe not) Where on here have you expressed your opinion then? All I can see is little comments taking the piss out of people who've bothered to write some perfectly valid stuff regarding how we've dropped a few points recently and need to be careful not to be overtaken by the teams around us. You'll also note, by the way, that every post on here has been written purely in the hypothetical, so where all this stuff about "wetting our knickers about how shite the future is DEFINITELY going to be" has come from, only you know. If you don't agree with others, I'd genuinely be interested to hear why. Perhaps you think the team is better than Norwich and Colchester? Perhaps you think we'll improve in the 2nd half of the season? Perhaps you think Leeds will have a big slip up? Whatever your opinions, they're certainly no better or worse than anybody elses, so tell us what they are and we'll all discuss it like men with a mutual interest in football. Or, if other people's views are so laughable that it'd be a horrendous waste of your time to bother responding to them properly, just carry on with the sarcastic one-liners I suppose. I haven't got the "ump" btw. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 15:56:52 GMT
Oooooooooooooo - someones got the ump!!! I love it when people bang on about being able to express their opinion then call people "arrogant, petulant, sarcastic littel kids" for expressing theirs! You see the double standard their Exeter? (Hmmm ... maybe not) What do you suggest we do then? Whinge on about something that may never happen and always look on the downside, or shall we just get on with it without constantly wetting our knickers about how shite the future is DEFINITELY going to be??? And I tell you what, it's amazing how many times I come on here and someone chucks a comment in about Charlton Life, as if it's meant as some sort of insult and I run the bloody thing. There's a lot of McCains on peoples shoulders round here. Strange really that for something that's clearly so banal and limp, most people on here seem to be looking over there pretty regularly. But as I say ...... doesn't really bother me, I do what I like. typical offit, someone has a different opionion to you and you lay into them taking the piss , go and do one me old son if you donr like what you read, you can join the others clapping thier way through the season while the board laugh at you ,,, someone got the hump, hummm them that live in green houses shouldnt through stones ,,
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