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Post by fatscholes on Sept 30, 2009 7:27:07 GMT
Unbelievable! one loss in ten games & it seems everyone wants to drop everyone, the formation is not good enough, the strategy is too one dimensional, sack Parky, sack the board & we should be looking over our shoulder.
pure over-reaction! we would have all taken the position where we arein during pre season. it makes me laugh that something like this sparks off inane comments that are really not thought through.
We've had one poor game this season and have been rightly punished. its our first loss. The main thing is that the team gets together in training this week & ready themselves for Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 7:35:27 GMT
Fair comment faitscholes I hope we are going to pull it around but I think physical stronger teams will beat us this season. Lets hope there are only one or two of these teams in the league. Also is the 1st team that we have played that is in the top 8 ? My view on the board well lets not go there. ReadyFreddy summed it up in an earlier thread 'so life ain't bad with a crappy squad that Parky has thrown together more or less from ebay!!' and whose faults that Parkinsons  ? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 30, 2009 9:53:48 GMT
Hardly an over reaction fatscholes people are just telling it as it is mate and at the end of the day we are not strong enough as a squad, Llera has been an accident waiting to happen whilst others especially in the midfield area are being exposed without Semedo around to add that bit of composure when it’s needed.
When you are top of the league you are there to be shot at but the very least I expect is for us to be able to say that we gave our all but were simply beaten by the better side, last night we were played off the park and seemed to accept defeat as soon as the first goal went in.
Leeds fans are the same this morning, it’s called disappointment and unless more bodies come in we are going to have a lot more of them, I want to see the starting 11 take a look at the bench and see that there are people on it capable of taking their places off them, at the moment there is nobody capable of doing that.
This will be our undoing if we are not careful and the root of all evil will be that if it turns out to be the case it will be self inflicted purely because PP was ignored when stating on record that we need strengthening and he did it at a time when we could have done something about it but instead he was ignored at a time when the board were to busy playing monopoly in the boardroom.
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Post by fatscholes on Sept 30, 2009 12:24:31 GMT
comments entitled "Parky lost it already", "No Plan B", "embarassing performance" & criticism of individual players are all statements that smack of over-reaction. After 10 games we have had one bad performance......900 mins of football and only 90 mins of one match and 1 minute against Norwich, which could be argued against with the challenge on the keeper, have been poor.
Calls earlier this week to show Parky more respect and cheer him on, today there are comments advising that he is not good.
Everyone is entitled to opinions, which is the game of football & sport in general, but from the above stats people should look to PP's comments post match & digest before throwing toys out prams.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 30, 2009 13:12:22 GMT
It’s not though is it, there is no plan B, last night’s performance was embarrassing and Llera and Elliot had nightmares, there’s no over reaction in stating so because they are all facts. Just to add another one it wasn’t our first poor performance either, there have been a couple but unlike last night the opposition were not good enough to take advantage of it.
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Post by fatscholes on Sept 30, 2009 13:33:17 GMT
No plan B; can you explain 2nd half at Southampton please? we went in 0-1 down and not in the game, PP had 15 mins, & 2nd half we were unlucky to only score 1
Elliott has kept us in a few games with some outstanding performances....1 90 minutes, as said before, & all his ability is called into question.
I have yet to see a positive word from yourself Reams on the situation at the club. You have to admit that from the state of last year, the club is in a positive state, money has been put in ( however it comes its there) and the team are lying 2nd in the league. We have played both the teams that came down with us last season and havent lost. We are in a better position than them.
Restraint needs to be shown sometimes in reactions to events. I am merely pointing out that this mornings reactions are not reflective of the whole season & therefore I class them as over-reactions. But dont be wrong if we now go on a 10 game losing streak then comments made after that run, similar to today, could be classed as accurate. I am saying that the timing is incorrect.
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Post by reddyfreddy on Sept 30, 2009 14:58:54 GMT
Reams ffs just agree that you over-react or over-enthuse or over do it or over fookin' something!! It's not a dig mate more an observation  After the win at Leeds you'll be singing the praises...like everybody else and will reflect upon your posts since last night's game as OTT. But it's not only you, a few of the other lads on here are the same...good on yer for your passion, don't bother me at all, but it is definitely, as fatscholes says, over reacting to a bad performance, which every now and again will happen. Let's hope it sorts things out and the 2-1 win at Leeds is gonna be all the sweeter for it!!  |
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Post by leedsaddick on Sept 30, 2009 15:08:06 GMT
I remember going to the Colchester game in the year when Andy Nelson got us promoted... we lost 3-0 that day and to be fair it flattered them and then stuffed then 4-0 in the game at the Valley on New Years day..... this could be a positve omen for the season ahead.... no need to over react at this stage.... history is on our side!
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Post by canterburyaddick on Sept 30, 2009 16:11:19 GMT
A wake up call is not a bad thing, particularly at this stage of the season. I think Llera will be the 3rd choice of our central defenders eventually, and at some point he was always going to be caught out. "Leeds fans are the same this morning" Not quite sure why that should be, after all they are on a different planet  |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 30, 2009 17:05:02 GMT
Listen guys I anm not over reacting, we got stuffed 3-0 I can accept that, what I have an issue with is the manner of the performance, 9 games unbeaten, 2nd in the league and all the plaudits we have received along the way should have at least warranted alot more than a role over and die attitude.
We didn't turn up last night and my question that I noticed nobody else has hit on yet is this: Are some of the players who were convinced to stay because better times are on the way feeling let down over the non takeover? It may be just coincidence but we have won one of the last four and during that time it's all come out at board level so have heads gone down??, I'll touch on your PP half time team talk against Southampton at this point to just to add weight to the possibility of the above because having reacted to that 20 minute dressing down which got a response, last night's half time bollocking had the opposite affect so why was that? Is there a problem which is more deep rooted?
Fatscholes to answer your question yes I am positive but the reality is when performances like last nights come along remaining positive becomes a little bit harder, I have said it time and time again on here, we have a good side but a below average squad which is short on numbers, Tuna, Solly and Wagstaff are players for the future they are not ready to step up to the plate yet but find themselves on the bench because we have nobody else to put on it, on that score lets face up to the facts at least.
Moving on to the £7m, you won't see me doing cartwheels or saluting Murray and co as our saviours, I agree that we are in a better position than this time last year but let's take stock of things, we should never have been in that position in the first place, furthermore I think their £7m injection was a case of having to rather than a case of wanting to, they want to sell the club and if they had not put their hands in their pockets there would have been a chance of a bit further down the line having nothing to sell.
As for the Norwich and Southampton part of your post, I have no interest in them wotsoever apart from the fact that we should have beaten both but didn't and the club who sees it as 2 points dropped in each is us, not them, I can't really see how you are using them as a yardstick, being in a better position than them isn't really something to shout out from the roof tops is it, I don't mean that flipantly mate but take Colchester for example, they hammered Norwich away 7-1, drew 0-0 at Southampton then did us 3-0, it's getting results like that you can judge yourselves by, not the draws that we got.
Once again I do not consider my response to last night as an over reaction, I was and am merely stating the facts.
Come on you reds!!
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Post by swordfish on Sept 30, 2009 18:27:16 GMT
Unbelievable! one loss in ten games & it seems everyone wants to drop everyone, the formation is not good enough, the strategy is too one dimensional, sack Parky, sack the board & we should be looking over our shoulder. pure over-reaction! we would have all taken the position where we arein during pre season. it makes me laugh that something like this sparks off inane comments that are really not thought through. We've had one poor game this season and have been rightly punished. its our first loss. The main thing is that the team gets together in training this week & ready themselves for Saturday.  As I've said in other posts, I don't think there is too much room for changes in the formation or players - especially before the trip to Elland Road. I still think Llera should be dropped to the bench as a disciplinary measure as well as for his poor display on Tuesday night though. And of course that depends on Sodje being fit for Saturday. |
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Post by ExeterAddick on Sept 30, 2009 19:25:10 GMT
have to say, i see where Fatscholes is coming from.
If we're going to assess the start of the season as a whole (and not just cherry-pick individual games), we've surely learnt that:
Parky has done a great job clearing out the dead wood and cobbling together a team without much money
We have probably the best midfield in the league
When we get it down and play football we should easily beat all of the teams in the bottom half
Even someone like Burton could potentially score 20 goals this year
We're woefully short of impact subs
We need to think about changing our tactics earlier against 'bigger teams' if the performance isn't going our way.
I wouldn't jump to too many more conclusions than that. The goalposts seemed to have been moved a bit after the start we've made. Before the season, many on here were tipping us to struggle, after 6 games we were going to romp the league, then after one dire performance we're back to panicking.
3 wins out of the next 5 games and we'll still be sitting very very pretty
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 30, 2009 19:34:14 GMT
I also agree where fatscholes is coming from, I just think that I have been misunderstood with my reply, all im saying is last night we did not do what we do best and I think that there are underlying reasons that contributed to it, it was more thasn just an off day, what ever went wrong we contributed to it, that's all im saying.
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Post by fatscholes on Oct 1, 2009 11:48:41 GMT
but having just seen the goals from Tuesday I hope that a few people might see where i am coming from when I say that maybe we need to have a rethink on our striking options, particularly the position currently occupied by our Number 7. 2nd goal seems to show his team awareness. Not saying he should be dropped altogether or for a long time, but a kick might do some good.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 1, 2009 17:32:12 GMT
Agree fatscholes Shelvey carelessly gave the ball away and made what was a powder puff attempt to get it back, the ball went wide 10 yards away from where he lost it and he just jogged across as if to say "oh well".
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