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Post by rationaladdick on Dec 5, 2019 22:53:21 GMT
Murray was Douche’s apologist the whole time. Yes, he helped the club financially back in the day. But to me that only goes so far. I did not want him back and am not happy he is back. Hopefully it is more as a link between the new owners and the club rather than a formal role. More of a consultant and l than a real position.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 5, 2019 23:38:44 GMT
Murray was Douche’s apologist the whole time. Yes, he helped the club financially back in the day. But to me that only goes so far. I did not want him back and am not happy he is back. Hopefully it is more as a link between the new owners and the club rather than a formal role. More of a consultant and l than a real position. Apologist? Absolute rubbish.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 5, 2019 23:40:55 GMT
Nothing to add seriouslyred Richard Murray seems like a decent bloke who has had the club’s interests at heart. I’ve little doubt he’s done his best. I’m sure he’s made mistakes, but then we all do. It’s scapegoat syndrome and as old as the hills. People feel something’s not right or something ‘bad’ happens and they want someone to blame. It has to be somebody’s fault. That somebody needs to pay. Unfortunately for Murray he found himself caught in the crossfire. It always seems odd to me that the very people who talk about being treated properly and with respect etc., seem willing to vilify others with equanimity. The vindictive nature of some of the criticism Murray has received must have been very difficult and stressful for him. Nobody seems to care about that though. A lesser man would have simply walked away. That’s just my perspective. To an extent the differences between fans reflect differences in beliefs, values and attitudes. That’s fair enough. Each to his or her own. However, those differences, once revealed, don’t go away just because the club has a new owner. Chris, the biggest downside for me bieing a Charlton fan is having do do so along some right weirdo's. Always have to have somebody to blame like the World owes them a favour.
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Post by cafcfanstevo on Dec 6, 2019 13:47:19 GMT
But the opening thread said you are happy Murray is staying just to piss off other fans? Despite disagreeing somewhat I accept your respect for him due to the Premier League success etc, but your original post was happy to piss off others which I agree is somewhat bizarre. I actually said, shut up some of the gobshites. If only they knew a bit more about who helped pull the deal off and just what their involvement was all along and why. Not just Richard either. Can't wait until that comes out. By the way my respect for him runs far deeper than what he did for us in the Premier years. I regard him as a personal friend and more of a man than many that spout their mouths off on forums. That's fair enough. My opinion of Murray differs somewhat, but may again do so if it comes out he helped get this latest takeover done. He brought us some successful years but for me has definitely let himself down over the last couple of years. I wouldn't go as far as blaming Murray per se, he wasn't the decision maker. But as a fan he didn't have to support Roland through some terrible decisions. But we have hopefully turned a corner. I feel Murray should always be welcome at the Valley but I think it's time he put his feet up as a fan, and shouldn't be involved in the running of the club at all.
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Post by zenga on Dec 7, 2019 12:03:31 GMT
Murray only gets to resign once. Other directors have resigned at various times when the going got tough but nobody hounds them for their choice to walk away. Instead, a certain group who are clearly linked to some ex-directors choose to slate Murray for staying on the board. And the irony is that the CAFC board changed strategy after relegation in 2015/16 - English manager, British / Irish signings and gently release the foreign contingent. In short, once Slade was replaced by KR the bleeding stopped with our club an also ran, mid table in the third tier. Some wanted Murray to go and watch the club crash into League 2... another tactic was to start a row with Chris Parkes and his wife... target anybody at the club and take it apart brick by brick! This approach failed, not least because of the chance discovery that Bows was more than a part time coach! We have climbed the leagues again and are now at the best crossroads in a long while. And a collection of people such as Murray, Parkes, Peacock, Avory, Bows, Gallen and Jackson steered us on this journey. We cant know the detail, but nobody can deny that with Meire and KR leaving we haven't looked back... and some choose to blame a CAFC board director?! We are back where we were when RD pitched and when Murray first came on board... except we have a fully paid up 27,000 capacity stadium, 18,000 crowds and an Abu Dhabi takeover lined up. And that's all Murray's fault! FFS can somebody post a different perspective? Anybody...? zenga Mundell ?! Since you explicitly asked for my different perspective: First off, I don't know the merits of Murray for Charlton like the rest of you do. That being said, in the interviews I've seen from him, he strikes me as a genuine person. As an outsider, the recurring impression I get is that people who were closer to RD weren't necessarily talking him down. Pretty much all his business endeavors show that RD is a decent guy, who has his -contrary to other billionaires - own code/morale/ethics. These didn't align with the expectations of the Charlton fans, but that doesn't mean RD was the devil. In the end he bought a club in shambles on the verge of being bankrupt, ~ 5 years later he left the club pretty much debt free in the hands of serious, competent and ambitious people. Luck or wisdom? I know what the general sentiment is, but I give him credit for trusting and recognizing the competent people (e.g. Lee). Fans really don't have a good view about what's going on on a day to day level at the club, Murray did. Lee Bowyer did as wel. That's perhaps why they have been cutting RD some slack, contrary to the fans. And same is to a certain extend true for Meire. People who worked with her - afaik - were praising her for how hard she worked. Sheffield fans weren't unhappy either apparently. And now in Club Bruges where she is the COO, people are fairly happy working with her as well (first hand information). Long story short: for fans it's black or white, but because Murray was a first hand witness I guess it's grey for him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 14:16:56 GMT
You can paint Duchatelet any colour you like.
Eight head coaches and three seasons in League One are the realities that the fans could see. Not much of a grey area there.
Richard Murray was part of that. But I still believe Murray always acted in what he thought was the best interest of CAFC. Sometimes doing that, rather than possibly what he might have personally preferred to do, or what might have been more popular, was no doubt difficult.
RM has always done what he believed to be right for Charlton Athletic, in my view. That is plainly not true of Duchatelet.
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Post by rd on Dec 8, 2019 23:22:52 GMT
Nothing to add seriouslyred Richard Murray seems like a decent bloke who has had the club’s interests at heart. I’ve little doubt he’s done his best. I’m sure he’s made mistakes, but then we all do. It’s scapegoat syndrome and as old as the hills. People feel something’s not right or something ‘bad’ happens and they want someone to blame. It has to be somebody’s fault. That somebody needs to pay. Unfortunately for Murray he found himself caught in the crossfire. It always seems odd to me that the very people who talk about being treated properly and with respect etc., seem willing to vilify others with equanimity. The vindictive nature of some of the criticism Murray has received must have been very difficult and stressful for him. Nobody seems to care about that though. A lesser man would have simply walked away. That’s just my perspective. To an extent the differences between fans reflect differences in beliefs, values and attitudes. That’s fair enough. Each to his or her own. However, those differences, once revealed, don’t go away just because the club has a new owner. Chris, the biggest downside for me bieing a Charlton fan is having do do so along some right weirdo's. Always have to have somebody to blame like the World owes them a favour. Is there just a chance, you are not always right? You've just got an opinion mate, like everyone is entitled to, some will agree with you, some won't. That's life.
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Post by cafc2002 on Dec 9, 2019 16:08:00 GMT
If anyone on here has got a problem with Richard Murray, instead of spouting off on here tell him at a game hes always there (unlike some) and I've seen plenty have a pop at him and believe it or not he listens and is always willing to talk. Some of the abuse hes taken I'm surprised he still turns up, shows he has bigger bollocks than most imo!
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 9, 2019 17:01:15 GMT
If anyone on here has got a problem with Richard Murray, instead of spouting off on here tell him at a game hes always there (unlike some) and I've seen plenty have a pop at him and believe it or not he listens and is always willing to talk. Some of the abuse hes taken I'm surprised he still turns up, shows he has bigger bollocks than most imo! Well said mate spot on although I don't expect many will take you up on your offer. That's where my claim that they are half the man Richard is, comes into it.
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Post by 1978sussex on Dec 10, 2020 7:28:54 GMT
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Post by DagenhamAddick on Dec 10, 2020 9:07:08 GMT
I would like to thank Richard for all the good work he did at the club. You can't get everything right and you can't always keep everyone happy. Football is full of ego's and people who always think they can do a better job than the person in situ (not unlike business in general). I always felt that the project that Roland had for us was actually quite interesting and progressive at the time but obviously in hindsight some parts of it did not work out. I also don't think Richard was incorrect in backing that.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 10, 2020 9:39:31 GMT
I would like to thank Richard for all the good work he did at the club. You can't get everything right and you can't always keep everyone happy. Football is full of ego's and people who always think they can do a better job than the person in situ (not unlike business in general). I always felt that the project that Roland had for us was actually quite interesting and progressive at the time but obviously in hindsight some parts of it did not work out. I also don't think Richard was incorrect in backing that. I have emailed Richard personally to pass on my best wishes and to thank him for the good times. More of a man than some of the dick heads who call themselves fans, ever will be.
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Post by discocafc on Dec 10, 2020 10:45:17 GMT
I would like to thank Richard for all the good work he did at the club. You can't get everything right and you can't always keep everyone happy. Football is full of ego's and people who always think they can do a better job than the person in situ (not unlike business in general). I always felt that the project that Roland had for us was actually quite interesting and progressive at the time but obviously in hindsight some parts of it did not work out. I also don't think Richard was incorrect in backing that. Roland didn’t have that connection with the fans as Sandgaard is now. When he says 2% is Charlton and all this nonsense it’s just pathetic. I’m not going to dwell on Roland but he’s on the same level as Michael Glickstein in terms of ownership. I hope he never touches another football club ever again.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Dec 10, 2020 13:31:25 GMT
RM was a fan who put his money where his mouth was and should always be respected as such.
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 11, 2020 1:35:01 GMT
I would like to thank Richard for all the good work he did at the club. You can't get everything right and you can't always keep everyone happy. Football is full of ego's and people who always think they can do a better job than the person in situ (not unlike business in general). I always felt that the project that Roland had for us was actually quite interesting and progressive at the time but obviously in hindsight some parts of it did not work out. I also don't think Richard was incorrect in backing that. I have emailed Richard personally to pass on my best wishes and to thank him for the good times. More of a man than some of the dick heads who call themselves fans, ever will be. When I have time I'll go through records of CAFC losses since we dropped out of the EPL - probably the best part of £100M! Some of that was his when he created Baton 2010 - perhaps half his wealth! The rest came from RD and those they like to call "the spivs"! Not going to repeat a post from higher up but Richard has stayed the course to the point where we have an owner with cash and a plan - we just need to see the execution. Richard has been on the board for nearly 30 years whilst others walked or were pushed Sound!
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