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Post by bexleyboy on May 30, 2019 17:08:30 GMT
Ajose, Marshall, Parker, Reeves, Williams, all released.
Johnny Williams has an option to stay new contracts offered to Bauer and Aribo.
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Post by bexleyboy on May 30, 2019 17:10:07 GMT
Fosu JFC also offered new deals
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Post by bexleyboy on May 30, 2019 17:12:37 GMT
These young players leaving
- Dan Bowry
- Luke Carey
- Joseph Cummings
- Reeco Hackett-Fairchild
- Terrique Hall-Anderson
- Mikhail Kennedy
- Jamie Mascoll
- Joshua Umerah
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Post by 1978sussex on May 30, 2019 17:17:29 GMT
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Post by Nick on May 30, 2019 17:20:39 GMT
I'd have liked to have kept Reeves to be honest. I think he'd have been a decent option in The Championship, albeit as a squad player.
I can't see Williams, Bauer or Aribo staying and that'll be gutting.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 30, 2019 17:22:39 GMT
I have to say I’m quite pleased about that. I didn’t think Fosu was worth a contract but I hadn’t thought of the compensation fee. It’s a bit hard on him, really, as he now has to negotiate new wages elsewhere with a club that will have to pay a fee for him as well as his wages. However, as that’s quite likely to Robinson at Oxford I feel less guilty about it. There doesn’t seem to be much confidence about any of them signing new contracts, but I suppose there isn’t much the club can do about that.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 30, 2019 17:26:24 GMT
I'd have liked to have kept Reeves to be honest. I think he'd have been a decent option in The Championship, albeit as a squad player. I can't see Williams, Bauer or Aribo staying and that'll be gutting. I would have been horrified had Reeves been offered a contract. He made us wait until the season started when he joined us and failed to keep himself fit over that summer; he has been injured on and off for the two years he’s been with us; and he doesn’t, often, look like he’s putting in maximum effort. I’d be staggered if he signs for a club above the third division. His Agent and/or his arrogance screwed us for way more than he was worth two years ago - that always comes back to bite you on the arse.
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Post by oldred on May 30, 2019 17:26:40 GMT
Looks like there’s going to be a lot of new faces around the place when the new season kicks off .
Let’s hope most of them are here before pre season starts .
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 17:27:49 GMT
I have to say I’m quite pleased about that. I didn’t think Fosu was worth a contract but I hadn’t thought of the compensation fee. It’s a bit hard on him, really, as he now has to negotiate new wages elsewhere with a club that will have to pay a fee for him as well as his wages. However, as that’s quite likely to Robinson at Oxford I feel less guilty about it. There doesn’t seem to be much confidence about any of them signing new contracts, but I suppose there isn’t much the club can do about that. Watching him this season,I dont feel sorry. I'm just sorry, that he seems not to want to show his undoubted talent. Looked very lazy to me..cost him a game at Wembley.
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Post by oldred on May 30, 2019 17:32:14 GMT
I'd have liked to have kept Reeves to be honest. I think he'd have been a decent option in The Championship, albeit as a squad player. I can't see Williams, Bauer or Aribo staying and that'll be gutting. I would have been horrified had Reeves been offered a contract. He made us wait until the season started when he joined us and failed to keep himself fit over that summer; he has been injured on and off for the two years he’s been with us; and he doesn’t, often, look like he’s putting in maximum effort. I’d be staggered if he signs for a club above the third division. His Agent and/or his arrogance screwed us for way more than he was worth two years ago - that always comes back to bite you on the arse. I would imagine KR will try to take Reeves to Oxford .
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 17:35:54 GMT
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Post by kings hill addick on May 30, 2019 17:39:44 GMT
I would have been horrified had Reeves been offered a contract. He made us wait until the season started when he joined us and failed to keep himself fit over that summer; he has been injured on and off for the two years he’s been with us; and he doesn’t, often, look like he’s putting in maximum effort. I’d be staggered if he signs for a club above the third division. His Agent and/or his arrogance screwed us for way more than he was worth two years ago - that always comes back to bite you on the arse. I would imagine KR will try to take Reeves to Oxford . I agree. He’ll probably sign on the 8th of August, after touting himself to every other club he can find, then arrive at the training ground and need six weeks to get match fit then Robinson will play him in a cup game before he’s Ready and he’ll be out injured until after Christmas. Some people just never learn so they?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 17:39:53 GMT
Christ there's a hell of a lot of work to be done to assemble a squad good enough. Badly need this takeover
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Post by willett on May 30, 2019 17:46:53 GMT
Not really surprised by any apart from Fosu.
Bowyer obviously wanted Williams but RD wouldn't support him by offering the wages.
Suggests that we will be working with a low budget.
Have heard that Aribo and Bauer are likely to leave, so wouldn't surprise me if their wage offers aren't as much as they want.
Going to be another close season full of change.
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Post by bexleyboy on May 30, 2019 17:58:11 GMT
Looks like there’s going to be a lot of new faces around the place when the new season kicks off . Let’s hope most of them are here before pre season starts . They won’t be ... given the short space of time
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Post by charltonheston on May 30, 2019 18:30:28 GMT
Can someone confirm who is making these decisions
I can only think it is New Ownership
As said on other social media that Lee is making the decisions
What do people think
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Post by thevalleybest on May 30, 2019 18:38:18 GMT
Any different if we stayed in league one?
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Post by thevalleybest on May 30, 2019 18:39:14 GMT
RD must have spoke to Lee Bowyer etc last Monday before he went on holiday.
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Post by aaronaldo on May 30, 2019 18:45:45 GMT
Pretty gutted about Williams.
I can’t see Aribo or Bauer staying but would be great if they did.
Why is it always us that let our best players run out of contract? We’re like the Arsenal of EFL.
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Post by oldred on May 30, 2019 18:49:47 GMT
I would think that ,depending who is doing the negotiations, the new contracts being offered will include a release clause , to make them a bit more acceptable.
Who knows, things are still so up in the the air at the moment , and that can’t be helping . LB not even having his future confirmed as manager certainly isn’t helping players to decide whether to stay or not .
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 19:20:30 GMT
Even though there is still a wave of euphoria among fans only four days after the Play-off Final victory, news like this won't give any encouragement to all those additional Charlton supporters who went to Wembley and are wondering whether or not to get a season ticket. This is Lee Bowyer's reward for achieving the almost impossible. Nothing. As thevalleybest has already asked, would any of these published decisions have been different if Charlton had lost at Wembley and still been in League One right now? LB has shown unbelievable levels of professionalism throughout the entire season, never once speaking out of turn about the conditions he has to work under. Yet he is treated like dirt by Duchatelet. What more could Bowyer do as a manager beyond what he has already done? Yet he still has no contract, and he has been given no promotion dividend whatsoever in order to help him in the Championship this coming season. Fans could be forgiven for believing that Roland did not want Bowyer to succeed in gaining promotion. That Charlton Athletic's owner actually wanted what only the most radical protesters are accused of - he wanted the Club to fail. If Bowyer gets a decent offer from another Club (one where the owner wants success and is willing to reward it) I would not blame him for taking it and walking away.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:00:18 GMT
If we put this into perspective for a moment..
There will be a larger budget available for wages due to increased commercial, tv, sponsorship and hopefully ticket sales, but we don’t know how much. Looking at the current squad there is a LOT of strengthening to do so the management team won’t waste budget on players who can’t either last the season or perform in their system.
The biggest signing we need to start with is LB and his team as if they sign then they are obviously happy with the budget and feel they can work with it.
Unless there is a takeover then I think it’ll be a consolidation season rather than doing a Sheffield United but then who’d have thought we’d even be in the championship this time last year?!
I think a takeover would be our only hope of pushing on next season but the value of our club is now at its highest as it will soon drop if we are struggling come Xmas. I really hope a sale is as close to imminent as possible.
I still remain optimistic but there will be many twists and turns before we kick off in August, probably best to just enjoy the ride.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:05:21 GMT
Pretty gutted about Williams. I can’t see Aribo or Bauer staying but would be great if they did. Why is it always us that let our best players run out of contract? We’re like the Arsenal of EFL. You cant force anyone to sign a contract.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:10:00 GMT
Pretty gutted about Williams. I can’t see Aribo or Bauer staying but would be great if they did. Why is it always us that let our best players run out of contract? We’re like the Arsenal of EFL. You cant force anyone to sign a contract. Plus it’s not “always” as we’ve recently got fees for players of any value, however the alleged rescinding of a contract to be replaced with a lower wage value would piss most of us off and is quite confusing from a business perspective in terms of Aribo.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 30, 2019 20:23:02 GMT
From the cafc.co.uk website:
Charlton boss Lee Bowyer is hoping to replicate the recruitment success of last season with his summer spending this year.
Working with Head of Recruitment Steve Gallen on a limited budget, the pair astutely built a squad that finished League One in third place and secured promotion to the Championship with Sunday’s dramatic League One play-off final win over Sunderland.
The Addicks have offered new contracts to four first team players but are not extending the contracts of six first team players.
Bowyer said: “Our next step is to obviously replace the players that we are losing, that is the first and foremost thing. The loans will be done a bit later on like they were last season. We’ve got a list of the type of player that we want, our targets, and now it’s about going to work and trying to get them in on the budget that we have.
“It is a small budget. We’re going to have to duck and dive like we did last season and bring in the best players we can on the budget we have. We’ll work our hardest, like we did last year, on trying to achieve that, but it’s going to be difficult.
“The one thing that we do have in our favour this season is that we are in the Championship, so that alone is a better attraction. Ok, we can’t compete financially, but we’re in a league above now, so that alone should help us.”
So it is clear that Bowyer and Gallen are already making plans for next season. It is most likely that they will be here. I expect an announcement in the next few days. It makes sense to announce the players kept/released first then the signing of the manager et. al. then a day or so after that a new signing.
They will want to have news most days so that they can increase the traffic to the website for advertising revenue and to keep reminding fans that season tickets are available.
Despite Lardiman's pessimism - and that antagonistic photo - no one knows what the actual situation is with Bowyer's contract (well, some will know, obviously) and there is, absolutely, no way that the budget for next season has been communicated. Bowyer says that it is a small budget, and I'm sure that's not a lie, but what kind of idiot starts off the summer making a press statement, for other clubs and football agents to note, that says we have a massive budget. That's the kind of thing that Katrein Meire did and look at the contracts she was convinced to sign off on!
I don't expect us to challenge for promotion, and anyone that does, or demands that we do, is about as reasonable as Lardiman. It would be great if we were able to flirt with the top half of the division, but I'd be delighted if we fail to spend any time in the bottom three all season. Anything else is a bonus.
The sensible way to approach this is to look to build for a few seasons to challenge the top six. Expecting anything more than that is unrealistic as it requires an outstanding amount of luck, or a massive financial injection which we have no right to expect.
I think that the anecdotal evidence here is very encouraging. Only troublemakers would try to claim otherwise - but I'm sure they will!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:33:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:46:30 GMT
From the cafc.co.uk website: Charlton boss Lee Bowyer is hoping to replicate the recruitment success of last season with his summer spending this year. Working with Head of Recruitment Steve Gallen on a limited budget, the pair astutely built a squad that finished League One in third place and secured promotion to the Championship with Sunday’s dramatic League One play-off final win over Sunderland. The Addicks have offered new contracts to four first team players but are not extending the contracts of six first team players. Bowyer said: “Our next step is to obviously replace the players that we are losing, that is the first and foremost thing. The loans will be done a bit later on like they were last season. We’ve got a list of the type of player that we want, our targets, and now it’s about going to work and trying to get them in on the budget that we have. “It is a small budget. We’re going to have to duck and dive like we did last season and bring in the best players we can on the budget we have. We’ll work our hardest, like we did last year, on trying to achieve that, but it’s going to be difficult. “The one thing that we do have in our favour this season is that we are in the Championship, so that alone is a better attraction. Ok, we can’t compete financially, but we’re in a league above now, so that alone should help us.” So it is clear that Bowyer and Gallen are already making plans for next season. It is most likely that they will be here. I expect an announcement in the next few days. It makes sense to announce the players kept/released first then the signing of the manager et. al. then a day or so after that a new signing. They will want to have news most days so that they can increase the traffic to the website for advertising revenue and to keep reminding fans that season tickets are available. Despite Lardiman's pessimism - and that antagonistic photo - no one knows what the actual situation is with Bowyer's contract (well, some will know, obviously) and there is, absolutely, no way that the budget for next season has been communicated. Bowyer says that it is a small budget, and I'm sure that's not a lie, but what kind of idiot starts off the summer making a press statement, for other clubs and football agents to note, that says we have a massive budget. That's the kind of thing that Katrein Meire did and look at the contracts she was convinced to sign off on! I don't expect us to challenge for promotion, and anyone that does, or demands that we do, is about as reasonable as Lardiman. It would be great if we were able to flirt with the top half of the division, but I'd be delighted if we fail to spend any time in the bottom three all season. Anything else is a bonus. The sensible way to approach this is to look to build for a few seasons to challenge the top six. Expecting anything more than that is unrealistic as it requires an outstanding amount of luck, or a massive financial injection which we have no right to expect. I think that the anecdotal evidence here is very encouraging. Only troublemakers would try to claim otherwise - but I'm sure they will! If claiming that Charlton will struggle to compete in the Championship if it won't even pay one of it's best current players £10,000 a week is trouble-making, then I'm proud to be a trouble maker. If we aren't going to challenge for promotion next season, what's the point of being in the Championship? But no. Now the limit of reasonable expectation is staying out of the bottom 3. Anything else is a bonus. If I were a Millwall fan reading this kind of stuff I would be pissing myself laughing. Does anybody think that right now Lee Bowyer would settle for 21st place and a couple of points above the drop next season? Of course not. So why should that be enough for any supporter? But we apparently have no right to expect to be able to compete, or do anything better than cling on to 2nd tier status by our fingernails. It's a good thing you're not in charge of trying to sell season tickets. "Come to the Valley, buy an ST and support the lads! But remember the budget is very sensible so don't expect much. Anything above the bottom 3 is a bonus."
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Post by dartford36 on May 30, 2019 20:56:24 GMT
Reference the retained/released list - no mention of Vetokele. Anyone know why?
And at the moment I have no concrete confidence that LB will be the manager next season. If the owner isn’t willing, so it seems, to pay players who were heroes just four days ago, a competitive, comparative Championship wage, why should there be any belief he will offer Lee an increase? I’m pretty sure there are numerous clubs able and willing to offer him a substantial increase on what he’s earned this season.
Sorry if that’s pessimistic and I hope I’m wrong.
OK - I’ve now read the club web site and seen Bowyers’ statement - slightly less pessimistic, but still worried, nonetheless.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:57:45 GMT
From the cafc.co.uk website: Charlton boss Lee Bowyer is hoping to replicate the recruitment success of last season with his summer spending this year. Working with Head of Recruitment Steve Gallen on a limited budget, the pair astutely built a squad that finished League One in third place and secured promotion to the Championship with Sunday’s dramatic League One play-off final win over Sunderland. The Addicks have offered new contracts to four first team players but are not extending the contracts of six first team players. Bowyer said: “Our next step is to obviously replace the players that we are losing, that is the first and foremost thing. The loans will be done a bit later on like they were last season. We’ve got a list of the type of player that we want, our targets, and now it’s about going to work and trying to get them in on the budget that we have. “It is a small budget. We’re going to have to duck and dive like we did last season and bring in the best players we can on the budget we have. We’ll work our hardest, like we did last year, on trying to achieve that, but it’s going to be difficult. “The one thing that we do have in our favour this season is that we are in the Championship, so that alone is a better attraction. Ok, we can’t compete financially, but we’re in a league above now, so that alone should help us.” So it is clear that Bowyer and Gallen are already making plans for next season. It is most likely that they will be here. I expect an announcement in the next few days. It makes sense to announce the players kept/released first then the signing of the manager et. al. then a day or so after that a new signing. They will want to have news most days so that they can increase the traffic to the website for advertising revenue and to keep reminding fans that season tickets are available. Despite Lardiman's pessimism - and that antagonistic photo - no one knows what the actual situation is with Bowyer's contract (well, some will know, obviously) and there is, absolutely, no way that the budget for next season has been communicated. Bowyer says that it is a small budget, and I'm sure that's not a lie, but what kind of idiot starts off the summer making a press statement, for other clubs and football agents to note, that says we have a massive budget. That's the kind of thing that Katrein Meire did and look at the contracts she was convinced to sign off on! I don't expect us to challenge for promotion, and anyone that does, or demands that we do, is about as reasonable as Lardiman. It would be great if we were able to flirt with the top half of the division, but I'd be delighted if we fail to spend any time in the bottom three all season. Anything else is a bonus. The sensible way to approach this is to look to build for a few seasons to challenge the top six. Expecting anything more than that is unrealistic as it requires an outstanding amount of luck, or a massive financial injection which we have no right to expect. I think that the anecdotal evidence here is very encouraging. Only troublemakers would try to claim otherwise - but I'm sure they will! If claiming that Charlton will struggle to compete in the Championship if it won't even pay one of it's best current players £10,000 a week is trouble-making, then I'm proud to be a trouble maker. If we aren't going to challenge for promotion next season, what's the point of being in the Championship? But no. Now the limit of reasonable expectation is staying out of the bottom 3. Anything else is a bonus. If I were a Millwall fan reading this kind of stuff I would be pissing myself laughing. Does anybody think that right now Lee Bowyer would settle for 21st place and a couple of points above the drop next season? Of course not. So why should that be enough for any supporter? But we apparently have no right to expect to be able to compete, or do anything better than cling on to 2nd tier status by our fingernails. It's a good thing you're not in charge of trying to sell season tickets. 1. Where is the quote from a reputable source that we won’t pay 10k per week as valleybest didn’t put one, otherwise it’s just rumour!! 2. I spoke to a Millwall season ticket holder last week who said they first and foremost aim to stay up and then anything else is a bonus so your argument here is invalid and unrealistic. If offered I bet LB would take 21st place as then you have another year of strengthening your team in order to achieve a better placing. Of course we will try to get as high as possible but do you expect Norwich to be looking to win the league next season?!!!!
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Post by garrynelson on May 30, 2019 21:04:40 GMT
I believe the concerns around paying 10k a week to Williams stems from Bowyer’s comments on the website that we weren’t in a position/willing to pay the sort of wages he was on at Crystal Palace which is around that figure
With regards to Norwich supporters, I know many, and they’re all in agreement that they are likely to struggle without investment in certain areas of the team, but none of them WANT to scrape survival - they want to replicate what Wolves have managed to achieve. Any fan that’s happy to see their teams struggle to scrape survival in whatever league they’re in needs to have a word with themselves
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