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Post by seriouslyred on May 30, 2019 11:45:58 GMT
Didn't the scout for players say that he has to persuade Driesen? Steve Gallen has to go through the owner's young friend to get agreement on a new signing the coaching team wish to make. Gallen, Bower and JJ have a 57% win rate and we know who was signed. Bielik and Cullen were delayed in case there was Championship interest. In an interview earlier this season, they implied they wouldn't get far fighting the system... and didn't have a problem building the squad. Therefore Driesen isn't part of any problems blocking signings and is unlikely to block any sensible deals. Once again, the real issue is what will the proposed wage budget be for next season, irrespective of any change of ownership. We have a lot of players leaving next month and if CAFC wish to retain our midfield and Bauer, then it's going to cost. Can post something relating to Swiss Ramble when there's time but wages in the Championship are eye watering at £1M per season for top six players.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 12:00:01 GMT
Doesn't sound very different from the days of Curbs. Remember reading an article by him that the club had a database of all players which they could see what a players financial demands would likely be, transfer fee involved, injury and disciple record, temperament, any off field problems etc which was used before deciding to proceed with any signing.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 12:59:41 GMT
Who have we not signed as a result of this decision chain ? Who knows Pat? Do you? No I don't, which is why it means very little to me and certainly isn't worth bringing up at the end of the best Charlton 3 weeks in a very long time.
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Post by hairyhotdog on May 30, 2019 13:57:56 GMT
Doesn't sound very different from the days of Curbs. Remember reading an article by him that the club had a database of all players which they could see what a players financial demands would likely be, transfer fee involved, injury and disciple record, temperament, any off field problems etc which was used before deciding to proceed with any signing. Sounds like a Moneyball approach...
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Post by Mundell on May 30, 2019 14:50:53 GMT
The present reality is that Duchatelet is our owner, the costs of his ownership are corralled into huge debt, and the management and half the players are off the books in a few weeks which saves Duchatelet a few bob. Given past history there is nothing more than hope and rumour,and the reality is we carry on under the Duchatelet/Driesen 2% dream team. Of course the question is 'if not now, when?. But as time trickles away, the debt mounts, the hope dies. At the start Of the season I was berated on here for saying more of less the same thing, and those critics insisted we would be sold imminently. It didn't happen. When there is the absurdity of the absentee owner demanding the EFL buy the club on what basis is there any hope that current success can be built on? We have all been here before haven't we? I doubt any of us have a clue what’s really going on. However, I’d venture the following; First, as we’ve discussed ad nauseam, the debt is irrelevant. That’s Duchatelet’s problem. The club is not ‘saddled’ with it. Second, it is now more urgent than at any time in the last three years that Duchatelet finds a buyer. It always seemed likely, even with Duchatelet as owner, that we’d be highly competitive in League One. However, this will not be true in the Championship. The club now needs an owner willing and able to fund a major overhaul of he squad. Duchatelet simply isn’t going to want to do that. Third, the good news is that a) the club is now more saleable and b) Duchatelet is likely to be at least as motivated to sell - it’s very clear he has no appetite to own a club in the Championship. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. If Duchatelet is now able to complete a sale, to a decent owner, then in all likelihood we’ll be in better shape than the last time we won promotion from League One. Moreover, it might then soon become clear that the club is ‘free’ of Duchatelet without any of the ‘lasting damage’ the doomsayers have been telling us was inevitable. Lo and behold, Duchatelet won’t have destroyed the club. Duchatelet is no longer the issue. The question is whether Charlton Athletic Football Club is sufficiently attractive to a very wealthy individual or entity for them to want to buy it. Fingers crossed, again.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 15:32:54 GMT
Doesn't sound very different from the days of Curbs. Remember reading an article by him that the club had a database of all players which they could see what a players financial demands would likely be, transfer fee involved, injury and disciple record, temperament, any off field problems etc which was used before deciding to proceed with any signing. Sounds like a Moneyball approach... If you are talking about the book by Michael Lewis about the Oakland 'A's, then yes, in a way. Its called knowing what you're getting for your money, and is it worth it overall, not purely just in terms of performance.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 16:13:58 GMT
Great post Mundell However, webbo puts a lot of time and effort calculating the debt that he believes the club is saddled with, I’d heard it so many times he nearly got me believing it!!! I absolutely cannot believe though how some of the usual suspects are back on here spouting doom and gloom when our promotion trophy hasn’t even been placed in the trophy cabinet!!! I’d have thought after this season that some may have the tiniest fraction of optimism going into the close season but no, it’s all panic and negativity.
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Post by essexaddick on May 30, 2019 17:49:01 GMT
The Great essexaddick has looked into his crystal ball. Ah yes I see the first game of the new season and...........I can confirm that RD will still be the owner.
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Post by bexleyboy on May 30, 2019 17:56:27 GMT
There is a meeting on Friday with RD with a group mainly based in Austria ... not sure if there new or one of the existing groups that have shown interest ...
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Post by willett on May 30, 2019 17:59:21 GMT
There is a meeting on Friday with RD with a group mainly based in Austria ... not sure if there new or one of the existing groups that have shown interest ... Have you just changed Australia to Austria?
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Post by seriouslyred on May 30, 2019 21:34:06 GMT
The present reality is that Duchatelet is our owner, the costs of his ownership are corralled into huge debt, and the management and half the players are off the books in a few weeks which saves Duchatelet a few bob. Given past history there is nothing more than hope and rumour,and the reality is we carry on under the Duchatelet/Driesen 2% dream team. Of course the question is 'if not now, when?. But as time trickles away, the debt mounts, the hope dies. At the start Of the season I was berated on here for saying more of less the same thing, and those critics insisted we would be sold imminently. It didn't happen. When there is the absurdity of the absentee owner demanding the EFL buy the club on what basis is there any hope that current success can be built on? We have all been here before haven't we? I doubt any of us have a clue what’s really going on. However, I’d venture the following; First, as we’ve discussed ad nauseam, the debt is irrelevant. That’s Duchatelet’s problem. The club is not ‘saddled’ with it. Second, it is now more urgent than at any time in the last three years that Duchatelet finds a buyer. It always seemed likely, even with Duchatelet as owner, that we’d be highly competitive in League One. However, this will not be true in the Championship. The club now needs an owner willing and able to fund a major overhaul of he squad. Duchatelet simply isn’t going to want to do that. Third, the good news is that a) the club is now more saleable and b) Duchatelet is likely to be at least as motivated to sell - it’s very clear he has no appetite to own a club in the Championship. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. If Duchatelet is now able to complete a sale, to a decent owner, then in all likelihood we’ll be in better shape than the last time we won promotion from League One. Moreover, it might then soon become clear that the club is ‘free’ of Duchatelet without any of the ‘lasting damage’ the doomsayers have been telling us was inevitable. Lo and behold, Duchatelet won’t have destroyed the club. Duchatelet is no longer the issue. The question is whether Charlton Athletic Football Club is sufficiently attractive to a very wealthy individual or entity for them to want to buy it. Fingers crossed, again. Thank you Mundell . For clarity, the debt with Staprix is worth precisely whatever the next owner is willing to pay for it. This is known as enterprise value. Wednesday and Wolves both went for c.£50M over the last couple of years as mid-table clubs. One made it to the Premier League whilst the other owner lost the best part of £100M on that journey... and failed! A sell out Valley and Wembley might enthuse a new owner? With RD we might speculate that he will fund a competitive side to help keep us in the shop window... but that's just speculation. Tough to acknowledge, but until we are in the Premier or with parachute monies we are always at threat of a return to League One or worse. Thems the financials of the Championship!
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Post by thevalleybest on Jun 1, 2019 12:37:35 GMT
Muir over too watch the cricket?.
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Post by bexleyboy on Jun 1, 2019 17:42:53 GMT
And to agree a revised takeover deal ....,
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 1, 2019 18:13:59 GMT
And to agree a revised takeover deal ...., Australia or Austria? I prefer red Bull on our shirts than Fosters!!
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Post by aussieaddick on Jun 2, 2019 1:46:40 GMT
Yeh, no one drinks Fosters any more.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Jun 2, 2019 4:23:10 GMT
Yeh, no one drinks Fosters any more. I still see Fosters about but not so much Castlemaine XXXX..!! Like the Charlton & Millwall of the Aussie lager world back in the day...!! ( or the VHS vs Betamax...)
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Post by AndyAddick on Jun 2, 2019 7:55:15 GMT
And to agree a revised takeover deal ...., Good lord ...
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Post by massivebeak on Jun 2, 2019 11:10:18 GMT
And to agree a revised takeover deal ...., Just stop mate
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Post by essexaddick on Jun 2, 2019 22:10:21 GMT
Yeh, no one drinks Fosters any more. I still see Fosters about but not so much Castlemaine XXXX..!! Like the Charlton & Millwall of the Aussie lager world back in the day...!! ( or the VHS vs Betamax...) Nobody in Australia drinks Fosters. In fact you hardly ever see it. It is brewed almost solely for the British market. Bit like that advert "the French adore Piat D'or" some years ago. Over in France no-one had ever heard of it.
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Post by aussieaddick on Jun 3, 2019 2:53:33 GMT
We give you all the good stuff, Fosters, Neighbours, Kylie. Hopefully not a Dud ownership setup.
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Post by essexaddick on Jun 3, 2019 6:11:36 GMT
I quite like Kylie. On the subject of beer the one that always amuses me is Victoria Bitter. It couldn't be further from a bitter as I know it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 6:53:54 GMT
Curbishley and Varney don't have the money so who are they representing and what are their roles going forward ?
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Post by bexleyboy on Jun 3, 2019 15:08:05 GMT
Curbishley and Varney don't have the money so who are they representing and what are their roles going forward ? Middle Eastern group , expect Curbishley will be director of football and Varney CEO ... just hope it’s not the same ones that were at Ebbsfleet ...... does anyone know at what stage they are ??
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Post by thevalleybest on Jun 3, 2019 15:13:24 GMT
Curbishley and Varney don't have the money so who are they representing and what are their roles going forward ? Middle Eastern group , expect Curbishley will be director of football and Varney CEO ... just hope it’s not the same ones that were at Ebbsfleet ...... does anyone know at what stage they are ?? They are still at Ebbsfleet just not putting in so much money anymore down too five contracted players.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 3, 2019 16:55:06 GMT
Curbishley and Varney don't have the money so who are they representing and what are their roles going forward ? Middle Eastern group , expect Curbishley will be director of football and Varney CEO ... just hope it’s not the same ones that were at Ebbsfleet ...... does anyone know at what stage they are ?? Curbs' role is to impersonate Andrew Muir!!
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jun 3, 2019 17:44:59 GMT
His not going to sell is he? In the meantime the man is just gonna rack up more debt. What a fucking bizarre character he is.
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Post by AndyAddick on Jun 4, 2019 8:03:29 GMT
His not going to sell is he? In the meantime the man is just gonna rack up more debt. What a fucking bizarre character he is. Yes he is ! Well get the right buyer , horses for courses as they say !!
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Post by AndyAddick on Jun 4, 2019 8:06:18 GMT
Curbishley and Varney don't have the money so who are they representing and what are their roles going forward ? Middle Eastern group , expect Curbishley will be director of football and Varney CEO ... just hope it’s not the same ones that were at Ebbsfleet ...... does anyone know at what stage they are ?? Are they Australian middle Eastern men or have they moved Australia?
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 4, 2019 11:18:18 GMT
Rumours doing the rounds that Vincent Tan is going to sell Cardiff to his nephew and buy us!!
As you all know a lot of my mates are Cardiff fans some with their ears very close to the ground.
Some work in various departments at the club including two players from my old man's team Derek Brazil and Damon Searle.
His assistant back then, Roger Gibbins is also a match day host who I stay in touch with and I also know the people who run the supporters club.
I would know if this story had any legs and I have not heard a dickie bird!!
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Post by thevalleybest on Jun 4, 2019 13:32:45 GMT
Rumours doing the rounds that Vincent Tan is going to sell Cardiff to his nephew and buy us!! As you all know a lot of my mates are Cardiff fans some with their ears very close to the ground. Some work in various departments at the club including two players from my old man's team Derek Brazil and Damon Searle. His assistant back then, Roger Gibbins is also a match day host who I stay in touch with and I also know the people who run the supporters club. I would know if this story had any legs and I have not heard a dickie bird!! What price for Cardiff?.
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