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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 18, 2017 21:45:01 GMT
Former Crystal Palace manager Sam Allardyce has been asked to hold a defensive coaching clinic for Charlton’s defence, writes Richard Cawley. The 62-year-old stepped down as Eagles boss in the summer – although the South London club tried on more than one occasion to persuade him out of retirement after sacking his successor Frank de Boer. Allardyce, pictured left, was in the directors’ box at The Valley for Saturday’s 1-0 win over Doncaster Rovers. Charlton manager Karl Robinson, who was part of Big Sam’s backroom team at Blackburn, said: “He’s someone who has done so much for me since I was a young boy coaching in the Premier League. He is one of the best managers and coaches in the Premier League. www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/addicks-ask-big-sam-to-coach-defence/ |
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Post by 1978sussex on Oct 18, 2017 21:52:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 22:26:56 GMT
What a fantastic coach KR is, not afraid to seek others input for a change of voice or ideas. Many managers would never do this due to insecurities within themselves... Delighted with the positives coming from our club...
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 18, 2017 22:27:03 GMT
Called this requirement a few weeks back! Thanks to experimental 361 and our own eyes it's very clear that we have moved from an average of 11 to 15 attempts on goal. In terms of expected goals scored we've gone from mid-table to top six. But we still expect to concede 1.4 goals per game and that's mid table performance. stevebrown Mundell and others have discussed the stats improvement vs what we have seen and have concluded in different ways that cutting down the goals conceded is the way forwards. Whilst some talk of @paperthinsquad or the risk of losing Magennis for a few games, our biggest challenge now is to concede less whilst the attacking midfielders continue to improve. From watching Lee Bowyer recently (45 minutes on Valley pass) and listening to KR over the last ten months, neither of these two are candidates to move us towards conceding just once per game - It's just not who they are! Thus I suggested that we needed a defensive coach to look at both the back four and how the two CDM pivots absorb pressure, slow the pace and block chances way before the oppo arrives into our box. For me this is far more important than the questions around signing Dodoo. For he can be replaced in just 11 weeks. Edging us towards 2-1 wins against our rivals by enhancing our defence is what will get us to Wembley in May! Until we see concrete evidence, there's no way we should expect 90 points and a top two finish. It's not who we are right now! That will take serious signings and another big leap upwards in performance. Perhaps even bigger than that which we have witnessed these last six months. Big Sam might help on the journey - in fact his insight in the first few sessions could be of considerable assistance. For he has coached and managed players far better than Dasilva, Sarr, Kashi, Bauer, Konsa and Solly. Well done CAFC for another sound move to address how to develop our squad. |
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Post by paperboy on Oct 18, 2017 22:36:23 GMT
Excellent move on behalf of the club.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 18, 2017 22:37:27 GMT
What a fantastic coach KR is, not afraid to seek others input for a change of voice or ideas. Many managers would never do this due to insecurities within themselves... Delighted with the positives coming from our club... Spot on Jeddez. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 18, 2017 22:38:21 GMT
Just to add that I wouldn't mind him as Director of Football to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 23:30:07 GMT
I tell you what, really impressed with this. I very much doubt he would come in as a Director of Football, and in all seriousness don't think it would be that good for KR either.
But won't hurt if he comes in for a few days to work with the defence and it's certainly an area we need to improve to go up. Great move, hope it comes off.
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Post by Mundell on Oct 19, 2017 5:48:51 GMT
What a fantastic coach KR is, not afraid to seek others input for a change of voice or ideas. Many managers would never do this due to insecurities within themselves... Delighted with the positives coming from our club... I may as well join in!! Couldn't agree more jeddez |
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Post by leedsaddick on Oct 19, 2017 6:17:36 GMT
What a fantastic coach KR is, not afraid to seek others input for a change of voice or ideas. Many managers would never do this due to insecurities within themselves... Delighted with the positives coming from our club... I'm not a fan of big Sam, however, he has clearly transformed teams that he's managed from relegation no hopers, to survivors, and not marginal survivors either. Regarding our form, we seem to score early, play really well, concede and then struggle. I think this is a great move to get some new ideas in and add a bit more resliance into our defensive game.... KR take a bow |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 6:43:38 GMT
Er where does it say that he has accepted the consultancy role ?
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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 19, 2017 6:53:12 GMT
The reaction on you know where is predictable...these people really are morons
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 7:26:48 GMT
Could you imagine if he was made director of football. Palace watch out !!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 9:10:13 GMT
This one continues to be an absolute penis:
ElfsborgAddick
Am not sure how Allardyce coming here on a very temporary basis is going to benefit us. All short term measures by the clowns again.
ElfsborgAddick
I'd still settle for relegation if it means the Belgians selling up.
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Post by pulled off at half time on Oct 19, 2017 9:32:20 GMT
I hope the owners stay just so i don't have to suffer the idiot that is elfsborg and his drunk moronic chanting at matches.
He is one very sad individual.
Northampton away last season showed what fans think of him
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Post by The Real Steve Brown on Oct 19, 2017 9:38:04 GMT
He's one of the few vinegars I feel genuine compassion for, actually.
Most of the 'core actors' are just self-regarding wannabe politicians. He doesn't seem to be like that. He just seems to be sad and lost, one of life's perennial outsiders in a big bad world that he's never quite come to terms with.
I was going to offer to buy him a drink to try to cheer him up if I'd seen him on Tuesday, but if he was there it was in a different part of the ground.
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Post by MurciaAl on Oct 19, 2017 9:41:01 GMT
I hope the owners stay just so i don't have to suffer the idiot that is elfsborg and his drunk moronic chanting at matches. He is one very sad individual. Northampton away last season showed what fans think of him F*ck off purple!  |
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Post by wellingaddick on Oct 19, 2017 10:02:40 GMT
Never been a fan of Allardyce, but one of his strengths is organisation and even a short consultancy, should benefit the players.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 19, 2017 10:04:34 GMT
This one continues to be an absolute penis:
ElfsborgAddick
Am not sure how Allardyce coming here on a very temporary basis is going to benefit us. All short term measures by the clowns again.
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Post by stevebrown on Oct 19, 2017 10:25:52 GMT
If it happens it's an excellent move and I'm all for it. As seriouslyred said, it's been apparent for some time that a coach to organise the defence is required, as none of the existing coaches are addressing the shortcomings.
If we can get the defence to operate as a unit as well as they do individually, we could be pushing for an automatic spot if Shrewsbury slip as many expect.
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Post by Cindy Blue on Oct 19, 2017 10:33:23 GMT
Well done to the regime if they are releasing funds to let this happen, I know that KR is his mate but I doubt big sam would come free and he would not be cheap either.
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Post by The Real Steve Brown on Oct 19, 2017 11:45:29 GMT
it's been apparent for some time that a coach to organise the defence is required, as none of the existing coaches are addressing the shortcomings. Yes, the defence is a disorganised shambles and is leaking goals like nobody's business - two of them in the last 270 mins of football. Shocking! And even more shocking that none of our coaches are addressing such profligate defending... |
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Post by stevebrown on Oct 19, 2017 11:57:02 GMT
it's been apparent for some time that a coach to organise the defence is required, as none of the existing coaches are addressing the shortcomings. Yes, the defence is a disorganised shambles and is leaking goals like nobody's business - two of them in the last 270 mins of football. Shocking! And even more shocking that none of our coaches are addressing such profligate defending... If you need help with any issues you may have, I'd like to try and assist. There is plenty of help available these days and it's better to try and address them rather than ignore them. www.nhs.uk/conditions/cognitive-behavioural-therapy/Pages/Introduction.aspx |
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Post by The Real Steve Brown on Oct 19, 2017 12:49:00 GMT
You really are a shameless jerk, aren't you?
the issue is the nasty, insidious way you go around dripping poison and trying to undermine and discredit our club.
Everyone on here is aware of your game and I know I speak for many when I say you make our flesh crawl with your sanctimonious bullshit.
Now you "address" the issue, which is about football not your preening : does only two goals conceded in the last 270 mins of football REALLY suggest to you that "none of the existing coaches are addressing (sic) the shortcomings"?
I don't actually expect a sensible answer because you always respond with abuse rather than "addressing" the specific question you have been asked. But hey, thought I'd ask anyway...
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Post by stevebrown on Oct 19, 2017 13:13:23 GMT
You really are a shameless jerk, aren't you? the issue is the nasty, insidious way you go around dripping poison and trying to undermine and discredit our club. Everyone on here is aware of your game and I know I speak for many when I say you make our flesh crawl with your sanctimonious bullshit. Now you "address" the issue, which is about football not your preening : does only two goals conceded in the last 270 mins of football REALLY suggest to you that "none of the existing coaches are addressing (sic) the shortcomings"? I don't actually expect a sensible answer because you always respond with abuse rather than "addressing" the specific question you have been asked. But hey, thought I'd ask anyway... Read the thread title. Former Crystal Palace manager Sam Allardyce has been asked to hold a defensive coaching clinic for Charlton’s defence. Why might this happen if the existing coaches are addressing the issues ? 14 teams have let in more goals than us. 9 teams have let in the same or less (and we've played a game less than 17 clubs). The amount of goals conceded by us is not automatic promotion or play off form. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 13:23:30 GMT
You really are a shameless jerk, aren't you? the issue is the nasty, insidious way you go around dripping poison and trying to undermine and discredit our club. Everyone on here is aware of your game and I know I speak for many when I say you make our flesh crawl with your sanctimonious bullshit. Now you "address" the issue, which is about football not your preening : does only two goals conceded in the last 270 mins of football REALLY suggest to you that "none of the existing coaches are addressing (sic) the shortcomings"? I don't actually expect a sensible answer because you always respond with abuse rather than "addressing" the specific question you have been asked. But hey, thought I'd ask anyway... Read the thread title. Former Crystal Palace manager Sam Allardyce has been asked to hold a defensive coaching clinic for Charlton’s defence. Why might this happen if the existing coaches are addressing the issues ? 14 teams have let in more goals than us. 9 teams have let in the same or less (and we've played a game less than 17 clubs). The amount of goals conceded by us is not automatic promotion or play off form. What do you think of just 2 goals conceded in the last 270 minutes though ?
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Post by The Real Steve Brown on Oct 19, 2017 13:30:31 GMT
Why might this happen if the existing coaches are addressing the issues ? I don't know, 'brownie'. May be because we have a chance to get one of the best defensive coaches in the country to hold a one-off clinic and it woud be idiotic for Robinson to tell a man whom he clearly regards as his mentor 'no thanks, we're "addressing" the issues in house and we don't need any outside help'? Actually,'brownie', there are many who are indeed saying we don't need Allardyce's help. But being a Charlton legend yourself, who made more than 250 appearances for the club, you know that a good manager takes all the help he can get from such a highly qualfied source. (is it OK if we call you 'brownie', btw? We always affectionately called you that when we watched you play. May be you could help out at this clinic, too?) |
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Post by stevebrown on Oct 19, 2017 13:41:25 GMT
Read the thread title. Former Crystal Palace manager Sam Allardyce has been asked to hold a defensive coaching clinic for Charlton’s defence. Why might this happen if the existing coaches are addressing the issues ? 14 teams have let in more goals than us. 9 teams have let in the same or less (and we've played a game less than 17 clubs). The amount of goals conceded by us is not automatic promotion or play off form. What do you think of just 2 goals conceded in the last 270 minutes though ?
I think it's a lot better than the 11 we let in the previous 6 league games. We defended very well at Fleetwood and against Doncaster, but not as well last night. Oxford could have scored 5 last night (as could we have). Wigan have conceded 8 from 14. Shrewsbury have conceded 9 from 14. Charlton have conceded 16 from 13. I'll be delighted if Big Sam offers us some assistance. |
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Post by stevebrown on Oct 19, 2017 13:46:09 GMT
Why might this happen if the existing coaches are addressing the issues ? I don't know, 'brownie'. May be because we have a chance to get one of the best defensive coaches in the country to hold a one-off clinic and it woud be idiotic for Robinson to tell a man whom he clearly regards as his mentor 'no thanks, we're "addressing" the issues in house and we don't need any outside help'? Actually,'brownie', there are many who are indeed saying we don't need Allardyce's help. But being a Charlton legend yourself, who made more than 250 appearances for the club, you know that a good manager takes all the help he can get from such a highly qualfied source. (is it OK if we call you 'brownie', btw? We always affectionately called you that when we watched you play. May be you could help out at this clinic, too?) I'm not actually the Steve Brown that played for Charlton  |
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Post by The Real Steve Brown on Oct 19, 2017 13:57:54 GMT
You don't say.
So what's with the creepy identity theft, 'brownie'? Given the shite you talk, it can't be as an homage becaue you besmirch his good name with every dishonest post.
You have stolen not only his name but his picture,too. Why don't we all change our names and avatars and pretend to be former players? Let's see if by tonight we can get the entire '98 play-off final team signed up...
Do you try to bounce cheques , too?
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