if CARD wants Charlton to fail this season then say so.

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Not much more to add; the title says it all really.

Let's have CARD's cards on the table yes?

Does the Coalition Against Roland Duchatelet want to disrupt matches this season, even get matches abandoned?
Are they advocating destroying our 2016-17 season?

The answer is apparently yes. They claim not to condone lawlessness or violence, but they are willing to ruin home match-days for every supporter and bring down FA punishments upon the Club in order to further their agenda.

If this is NOT the case then will an official representative of CARD please say so, simply and clearly?

[pulled off at half time]

They need to know that they are losing support rapidly by not acknowledging the positives that are happening re signings manager etc and continuing as if nothing has changed. I think they think everyone is onboard as last season and this will create a real divide and turn decent fans off going

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I don't think there is any question that 'Rocky' Everitt and his CARD stormtroopers actively want Charlton to fail. His devoted camp follower elfsborg admitted on CL last week that the militants desire relegation to div two because they think it will encourage "the Belgians" to sell.

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They won't be selling the club not now not anytime soon

[funkythings]

Congrats on being able to use the word condone properly in a sentence.

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Jul 9, 2016 21:42:29 GMT @incorruptibleaddick said:

I don't think there is any question that 'Rocky' Everitt and his CARD stormtroopers actively want Charlton to fail. His devoted camp follower elfsborg admitted on CL last week that the militants desire relegation to div two because they think it will encourage "the Belgians" to sell.

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I don't want Charlton to be relegated, I have only wanted Charlton to be successful. But I will not be going to games next season because I want Meire and Duchatelet to go. The only true protest, for me, is to boycott Home games. We have tried to put pressure on the owner and. Meire at Home games by protesting and this has been a partial success. I think that without the protests we wouldn't have got a British Manager and British players. I think it is time for CARD to limit protests to before and after games. We should acknowledge that the regime have given Supporters what they asked for. But I am holding fire until the end of August to see what squad we end up with. As I think that Pope, Gudmundsson, Texeire, Cousins and Lookman will all be sold and replaced by very little. This will leave our squad short of quality as in previous Seasons.

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Jul 10, 2016 8:28:41 GMT @richardplumb said:

I don't want Charlton to be relegated, I have only wanted Charlton to be successful. But I will not be going to games next season because I want Meire and Duchatelet to go.

I will settle for just Meire to go. She has insulted the club ("I don't care about the history") and insulted the fans.

A decent professional CEO can advise Duchatelet and I believe that, now, he will listen.

[DFT]

The protests should be put on hold for now to assess the situation and see if Duchatelet has learned his lesson and has changed his strategy. I'm not saying abandon the protests all together, we should be ready to start the protests again if it pans out that Duchatelet hasn't changed. The evidence so far this close season seems to point to a new strategy with an experienced English manager and some English players signed but only time will tell. I agree that Katrien Meire should have been removed from her position as she is the face we all love to hate and I think Duchatelet would go a long way to showing his desire to change if he got rid of her, he has failed to take a golden opportunity to win the fans back. If we get a few more signings, Slade has the team winning and it becomes obvious that we are going to be pushing for promotion what is the point in protesting, what do they hope to gain?

Do the protestors want Charlton Athletic to succeed or is their personal vendetta against Duchatelet and Meire more important?

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Jul 10, 2016 8:28:41 GMT @richardplumb said:

I don't want Charlton to be relegated, I have only wanted Charlton to be successful. But I will not be going to games next season because I want Meire and Duchatelet to go. The only true protest, for me, is to boycott Home games. We have tried to put pressure on the owner and. Meire at Home games by protesting and this has been a partial success. I think that without the protests we wouldn't have got a British Manager and British players. I think it is time for CARD to limit protests to before and after games. We should acknowledge that the regime have given Supporters what they asked for. But I am holding fire until the end of August to see what squad we end up with. As I think that Pope, Gudmundsson, Texeire, Cousins and Lookman will all be sold and replaced by very little. This will leave our squad short of quality as in previous Seasons.

Have you been on the ale again Al?

What are doing agreeing with this post? You must be learning.

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Jul 10, 2016 8:52:10 GMT @finnaddick said:

Jul 10, 2016 8:28:41 GMT @richardplumb said:

I don't want Charlton to be relegated, I have only wanted Charlton to be successful. But I will not be going to games next season because I want Meire and Duchatelet to go.

I will settle for just Meire to go. She has insulted the club ("I don't care about the history") and insulted the fans.

A decent professional CEO can advise Duchatelet and I believe that, now, he will listen.

Simply by squirrel face still being hear tells us that Duchatelet will not change his ways too much.

Squirrel face is incompetent and Duchatelet still keeps her on.

[funkythings]

Jul 10, 2016 8:28:41 GMT @richardplumb said:

I don't want Charlton to be relegated, I have only wanted Charlton to be successful. But I will not be going to games next season because I want Meire and Duchatelet to go. The only true protest, for me, is to boycott Home games. We have tried to put pressure on the owner and. Meire at Home games by protesting and this has been a partial success. I think that without the protests we wouldn't have got a British Manager and British players. I think it is time for CARD to limit protests to before and after games. We should acknowledge that the regime have given Supporters what they asked for. But I am holding fire until the end of August to see what squad we end up with. As I think that Pope, Gudmundsson, Texeire, Cousins and Lookman will all be sold and replaced by very little. This will leave our squad short of quality as in previous Seasons.

Nicely put and welcome to the club but they have only given some of what was asked for. There has to be an admission that it might be the best can be acheived.

That is no reason to stop trying though. 

[fatscholes]

as I see huge similarities between the pair I hope that Everritt will soon be issuing a Farage style resignation

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let's wait and see the fire sale that is going to happen before we say that they have changed as I have a feeling that they haven't changed at all

[imacharltonfan]

The protests need to be put on hold this season. If we don't bounce back straight away the they should start to be upped again but this season needs to be nothing but support.

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Jul 10, 2016 11:15:04 GMT imacharltonfan said:

The protests need to be put on hold this season. If we don't bounce back straight away the they should start to be upped again but this season needs to be nothing but support.

I agree, but if the regime get rid of 6 or 7 key players and do not replace them, then it would be clear that they have not learnt any lessons, despite saying several times that they were going to.

For me, at this moment in time I quite happy but one swallow does not constitute summer 

[imacharltonfan]

To be fair I think Holmes is Gudmundsson's replacement and Ajose is Igor's replacement. I would like to see Fox swapped with Davis at Birmingham promoting THD, then Pike bought in for full back cover or to push Solly.

[seriouslyred]

Jul 10, 2016 11:45:19 GMT imacharltonfan said:

To be fair I think Holmes is Gudmundsson's replacement and Ajose is Igor's replacement. I would like to see Fox swapped with Davis at Birmingham promoting THD, then Pike bought in for full back cover or to push Solly.

This!
People should wait to see what the final moves are in the squad and how we actually play rather than panic about a "fire sale".

Let us be clear: the club is playing to regain Championship status and close to £5M of TV revenue plus increased gates. I see this more like 1980 when we went down with some decent players and Mike Bailey lifted the club back up.

The problem with CARD is that they can't read the football side and simply bad mouth foreign signings.

They are locked into a cycle of pessimism where they criticise various activities and mistakes and then hope it goes wrong so that they can trumpet how they told us all how bad it all is.

Let us see what "support the team not the regime" actually means this season. If it involves chants against the board during games and black and white objects being thrown on the pitch then there will be a back lash from fans who see this as a distraction from the task in hand.

If they restrict activities to stunts with coffins and post match protest then they risk decreasing numbers and visibility.

But if they are ambiguous about their stance, having turned up the volume on protests then it is clear that some will hold them accountable for maverick actions like flares, vandalism and pitch invasions.

The irony is that it is in the interests of Slade and the board to keep this protest down by getting it right on the pitch - over the next few weeks, months and during the January window.

[Nigel's Nemesis]

Only 3 people want Charlton to fail - Murray, Duchatelet and Meire.

CARD may indeed be limper than Larry Grayson in a female sauna, but they only formed to dress as Arabs because there was a problem to begin with.

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Jul 10, 2016 14:27:16 GMT Nigel's Nemesis said:

Only 3 people want Charlton to fail - Murray, Duchatelet and Meire.

CARD may indeed be limper than Larry Grayson in a female sauna, but they only formed to dress as Arabs because there was a problem to begin with.

Can't say I agree.

Duchatelet and Meire want to turn Charlton into something nobody would recognise as an English football Club any more. Why? Who can say. RD is a law unto himself, with the resources to get his own way most of the time.

Murray wants his money back.

The only people who want Charlton Athletic to fail are the supporters who believe wrecking Charlton is the quickest way to make it worthless to Duchatelet, in the hope that he will give up and sell the broken remains to another football club owner. Once Charlton is ruined however, RD is just as likely to sell off the remaining assets and shut down the Club.
If that happens and AFC Charlton follows, starting from scratch in a 10th level league somewhere with no money, no ground and relying entirely on the efforts of volunteers, I hope all the supporters who currently want more failure and more bitter conflict will be able to give up their time and make some generous donations to the kitty.
Some them might be able to afford to live in the apartment blocks which are built on the site of the Valley, but with property values in Greater London being what they are I doubt if many will.

---

I'm asking the question, but I believe the answer is one which every Charlton supporter has a right to know;

Would CARD like to see Charlton Athletic relegated again at the end of this season - yes or no?

If the answer is yes, then at least we will all know where we stand.
Supporting CARD will mean wanting Charlton to continue to fail on the pitch and continue to be relegated down the leagues.

If the answer is no then why is CARD advocating continual disruption of matches, which will result in points deductions and a greater chance of relegation, as well as polluting the atmosphere at the Valley and wrecking any chance Russell Slade has of turning things around?

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Jul 10, 2016 14:46:17 GMT @lardiman said:

Jul 10, 2016 14:27:16 GMT Nigel's Nemesis said:

Only 3 people want Charlton to fail - Murray, Duchatelet and Meire.

CARD may indeed be limper than Larry Grayson in a female sauna, but they only formed to dress as Arabs because there was a problem to begin with.

Can't say I agree.

Duchatelet and Meire want to turn Charlton into something nobody would recognise as an English football Club any more. Why? Who can say. RD is a law unto himself, with the resources to get his own way most of the time.

Murray wants his money back.

The only people who want Charlton Athletic to fail are the supporters who believe wrecking Charlton is the quickest way to make it worthless to Duchatelet, in the hope that he will give up and sell the broken remains to another football club owner. Once Charlton is ruined however, RD is just as likely to sell off the remaining assets and shut down the Club.
If that happens and AFC Charlton follows, starting from scratch in a 10th level league somewhere with no money, no ground and relying entirely on the efforts of volunteers, I hope all the supporters who currently want more failure and more bitter conflict will be able to give up their time and make some generous donations to the kitty.
Some them might be able to afford to live in the apartment blocks which are built on the site of the Valley, but with property values in Greater London being what they are I doubt if many will.

---

I'm asking the question, but I believe the answer is one which every Charlton supporter has a right to know;

Would CARD like to see Charlton Athletic relegated again at the end of this season - yes or no?

If the answer is yes, then at least we will all know where we stand.
Supporting CARD will mean wanting Charlton to continue to fail on the pitch and continue to be relegated down the leagues.

If the answer is no then why is CARD advocating continual disruption of matches, which will result in points deductions and a greater chance of relegation, as well as polluting the atmosphere at the Valley and wrecking any chance Russell Slade has of turning things around?

Shut down the club? Really? Roland could get some money by selling the club rather than nothing at all by shutting it down (He would get by selling it then by selling the land that The Valley sits on)

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Jul 10, 2016 16:24:17 GMT thevalley1905 said:

Shut down the club? Really? Roland could get some money by selling the club rather than nothing at all by shutting it down (He would get by selling it then by selling the land that The Valley sits on)

I was only speculating that if Charlton Athletic ends up ruined as a Football Club, perhaps dropping down to the Conference League with only a few thousand die-hard fans remaining, that Duchatelet might close the Club and sell the land (surely worth in the tens of millions) rather than sell the Club as a going concern for peanuts.

We are not ruined yet. It would take at least two more relegations before things get that bad, and hopefully that will never happen.

But I was merely asking the question; Is CARD trying to devalue the Club (by sabotaging our chances of football success under Russell Slade) in order to increase pressure on Duchatelet to sell up and go away?

If CARD are willing to make matters worse by their own actions in order to get what they want, in my opinion they would be stepping over a line that true Charlton fans would never cross.
Damaging the Club is something our enemies and rivals would want, not Charlton fans. It doesn't matter if the motive is to bring about a better future in the long run.

Fans are protersting precisely because of the damage Duchatelet and Meire have already done. We hardly need a Fans' Organisation adding to that damage.

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Jul 10, 2016 16:51:19 GMT @lardiman said:

Jul 10, 2016 16:24:17 GMT thevalley1905 said:

Shut down the club? Really? Roland could get some money by selling the club rather than nothing at all by shutting it down (He would get by selling it then by selling the land that The Valley sits on)

I was only speculating that if Charlton Athletic ends up ruined as a Football Club, perhaps dropping down to the Conference League with only a few thousand die-hard fans remaining, that Duchatelet might close the Club and sell the land (surely worth in the tens of millions) rather than sell the Club as a going concern for peanuts.

We are not ruined yet. It would take at least two more relegations before things get that bad, and hopefully that will never happen.

But I was merely asking the question; Is CARD trying to devalue the Club (by sabotaging our chances of football success under Russell Slade) in order to increase pressure on Duchatelet to sell up and go away?

If CARD are willing to make matters worse by their own actions in order to get what they want, in my opinion they would be stepping over a line that true Charlton fans would never cross.
Damaging the Club is something our enemies and rivals would want, not Charlton fans. It doesn't matter if the motive is to bring about a better future in the long run.

Fans are protersting precisely because of the damage Duchatelet and Meire have already done. We hardly need a Fans' Organisation adding to that damage.

The land that The valley sits on is worth approx. £20m (at a push).

Now remember what he has paid for, and also put into the club. Yep much more than £20m. He could easily get more by selling it.

This scenario has been done numerous times before lardiman.

The club will not be shut down

[Nigel's Nemesis]

Jul 10, 2016 14:46:17 GMT @lardiman said:

Jul 10, 2016 14:27:16 GMT Nigel's Nemesis said:

Only 3 people want Charlton to fail - Murray, Duchatelet and Meire.

CARD may indeed be limper than Larry Grayson in a female sauna, but they only formed to dress as Arabs because there was a problem to begin with.

Can't say I agree.

Duchatelet and Meire want to turn Charlton into something nobody would recognise as an English football Club any more. Why? Who can say. RD is a law unto himself, with the resources to get his own way most of the time.

Murray wants his money back.

The only people who want Charlton Athletic to fail are the supporters who believe wrecking Charlton is the quickest way to make it worthless to Duchatelet, in the hope that he will give up and sell the broken remains to another football club owner. Once Charlton is ruined however, RD is just as likely to sell off the remaining assets and shut down the Club.
If that happens and AFC Charlton follows, starting from scratch in a 10th level league somewhere with no money, no ground and relying entirely on the efforts of volunteers, I hope all the supporters who currently want more failure and more bitter conflict will be able to give up their time and make some generous donations to the kitty.
Some them might be able to afford to live in the apartment blocks which are built on the site of the Valley, but with property values in Greater London being what they are I doubt if many will.

---

I'm asking the question, but I believe the answer is one which every Charlton supporter has a right to know;

Would CARD like to see Charlton Athletic relegated again at the end of this season - yes or no?

If the answer is yes, then at least we will all know where we stand.
Supporting CARD will mean wanting Charlton to continue to fail on the pitch and continue to be relegated down the leagues.

If the answer is no then why is CARD advocating continual disruption of matches, which will result in points deductions and a greater chance of relegation, as well as polluting the atmosphere at the Valley and wrecking any chance Russell Slade has of turning things around?

A really verbose and nonsensical post.

The players themselves said at the POTY dinner that the protests had NO EFFECT on them. I don't agree with a lot of what CARD say but I have seen members of CARD who have been ever presents and attenders like me since the 70s and 80s.

@lardiman you and others need to look at your own attendance records & actions, as most of the time its a case of 'people in glass houses'. 

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Jul 10, 2016 18:16:17 GMT Nigel's Nemesis said:

A really verbose and nonsensical post.

The players themselves said at the POTY dinner that the protests had NO EFFECT on them. I don't agree with a lot of what CARD say but I have seen members of CARD who have been ever presents and attenders like me since the 70s and 80s.

@lardiman you and others need to look at your own attendance records & actions, as most of the time its a case of 'people in glass houses'. 

For the record, I have been a season ticket holder for ten years. In that time I have missed two home matches (one through illness, one because I had to work through the weekend). I attend few away games because of family commitments; usually two or three per season.
I renewed my season ticket back in April. Not because I support Duchatelet, but because I won't let him drive me away from watching my team.

Now I'll repeat the very simple question;

Does CARD want Charlton to be relegated again this season?

A one word answer is all that's needed.

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Jul 10, 2016 18:27:40 GMT @lardiman said:

Jul 10, 2016 18:16:17 GMT Nigel's Nemesis said:

A really verbose and nonsensical post.

The players themselves said at the POTY dinner that the protests had NO EFFECT on them. I don't agree with a lot of what CARD say but I have seen members of CARD who have been ever presents and attenders like me since the 70s and 80s.

@lardiman you and others need to look at your own attendance records & actions, as most of the time its a case of 'people in glass houses'. 

For the record, I have been a season ticket holder for ten years. In that time I have missed two home matches (one through illness, one because I had to work through the weekend). I attend few away games because of family commitments; usually two or three per season.
I renewed my season ticket back in April. Not because I support Duchatelet, but because I won't let him drive me away from watching my team.

Now I'll repeat the very simple question;

Does CARD want Charlton to be relegated again this season?

A one word answer is all that's needed.

I am NOT a CARD member and have looked on in disbelief at some of the things they have done but I can honestly say that I reckon none of them want the team relegated next season, what would make you think that?

[Nigel's Nemesis]

@lardiman

I can't give you an answer, because I can think for myself, don't succumb to 'group think' like others, and am not, and never have been, a member of CARD.

I wouldn't employ the likes of Rich Pemberton or Steve Clarke to be my summer intern, so why would I follow their advice? 

If you are asking me 'would I take another relegation this season if it forced the scum out of Charlton?', the answer is a no brainer, isn't it?

It is a resounding YES.

Signing Lee Novak is all very nice and exciting, but its a bit like putting a cherry glace on top of a large and smelly piece of shit, and then hoping it will taste better.

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Jul 10, 2016 18:30:51 GMT thevalley1905 said:

I am NOT a CARD member and have looked on in disbelief at some of the things they have done but I can honestly say that I reckon none of them want the team relegated next season, what would make you think that?

Because CARD supports the disruption of matches by throwing objects onto the pitch.
This will eventually be punished by the football authorities - Charlton will be deducted points.
Also the disruption will eventually cause fighting within the Valley, as a growing number of supporters become sick and tired of matches being delayed.
Our chances of promotion from League One will be wrecked by civil war among Charlton supporters.

I ask the question again, of any member of ITTV who can speak for CARD:

Does Card want Charlton to be relegated again next season?

[reamsofverse]

Jul 10, 2016 18:31:59 GMT Nigel's Nemesis said:

@lardiman

I can't give you an answer, because I can think for myself, don't succumb to 'group think' like others, and am not, and never have been, a member of CARD.

I wouldn't employ the likes of Rich Pemberton or Steve Clarke to be my summer intern, so why would I follow their advice? 

If you are asking me 'would I take another relegation this season if it forced the scum out of Charlton?', the answer is a no brainer, isn't it?

It is a resounding YES.

Signing Lee Novak is all very nice and exciting, but its a bit like putting a cherry glace on top of a large and smelly piece of shit, and then hoping it will taste better.

Or you could compare Novak and Ajose to Vetokele and Makienok?

I'll have a piece of that cake.

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Jul 10, 2016 18:31:59 GMT Nigel's Nemesis said:

@lardiman

I can't give you an answer, because I can think for myself, don't succumb to 'group think' like others, and am not, and never have been, a member of CARD.
I wouldn't employ the likes of Rich Pemberton or Steve Clarke to be my summer intern, so why would I follow their advice? 
If you are asking me 'would I take another relegation this season if it forced the scum out of Charlton?', the answer is a no brainer, isn't it?

It is a resounding YES.

Signing Lee Novak is all very nice and exciting, but its a bit like putting a cherry glace on top of a large and smelly piece of shit, and then hoping it will taste better.

Apologies Nigel's Nemesis I thought you might be a member of CARD. Thanks for offering your answer as a free-thinking individual but no, I was not asking you personally. My question is directed to CARD, in the person of any member who can speak for them;

Does CARD want Charlton to be relegated again this season?