Solly and watt- NO THANKS

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Holmes Dennis and lookman twice the players they both are.

Lookman will be a bigger asset then Gomez

Holmes Dennis has set up 2 of our last four goals. Defo better than solly even playing on wrong side

Great to watch us with knew attacking threat yesterday. No wonder they tried Holmes Dennis on the wing v Preston even though it didn't work that night

[MurciaAl]

I'm inclined to agree with Watt, fans put him on a very high pedestal very early on and he has definitely fallen from his perch. He just never looks fit to me.

Solly, although he has not had his greatest season, I think it is far too early to right him off.

When I first saw Holmes Dennis play, I did say he was one of the best prospects from that bunch of youngsters and he is beginning to show that he is capable of holding down a place in the first team. Although he has done brilliantly in the last two games, I am not in favour of a left footed right back.

Lookman was great yesterday, but at 18, he needs nurturing, I remember Ahearn-Grant being hailed as the next best thing since sliced bread and he hasn't pushed on yet. Lookman looks exceptionally promising, but lets not build up too much expectation just yet!

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Nov 22, 2015 11:46:21 GMT MurciaAl said:

I'm inclined to agree with Watt, fans put him on a very high pedestal very early on and he has definitely fallen from his perch. He just never looks fit to me.

Solly, although he has not had his greatest season, I think it is far too early to right him off.

When I first saw Holmes Dennis play, I did say he was one of the best prospects from that bunch of youngsters and he is beginning to show that he is capable of holding down a place in the first team. Although he has done brilliantly in the last two games, I am not in favour of a left footed right back.

Lookman was great yesterday, but at 18, he needs nurturing, I remember Ahearn-Grant being hailed as the next best thing since sliced bread and he hasn't pushed on yet. Lookman looks exceptionally promising, but lets not build up too much expectation just yet!

Don't be tempted to write watt off yet, we don't know if he'd been asked to play injured and now we have others back he's being allowed to get fit so he can become an asset once again... Yes Lookman does look like a player with great potential and its superb to see us bring a striker through who could play at a higher level in the future but like you've said Al it is def important to nurture him which I'm sure the coaches will...
I also agree about Solly, what is great is that we have a good competition for places and this will increase as more players return...

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For me silly solly will struggle I make the bench. Holmes Dennis play up the wing is what we have been lacking.
Lookman and Holmes Dennis made that goal.

[ExeterAddick]

Watt needs a good kick up the arse. So much natural talent and still quite young, but he never looks fully fit to me and he's far too greedy. If an influential coach got hold of him, they could turn him into a top player.

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Nov 22, 2015 11:46:21 GMT MurciaAl said:

I'm inclined to agree with Watt, fans put him on a very high pedestal very early on and he has definitely fallen from his perch. He just never looks fit to me.

Solly, although he has not had his greatest season, I think it is far too early to right him off.

When I first saw Holmes Dennis play, I did say he was one of the best prospects from that bunch of youngsters and he is beginning to show that he is capable of holding down a place in the first team. Although he has done brilliantly in the last two games, I am not in favour of a left footed right back.

Lookman was great yesterday, but at 18, he needs nurturing, I remember Ahearn-Grant being hailed as the next best thing since sliced bread and he hasn't pushed on yet. Lookman looks exceptionally promising, but lets not build up too much expectation just yet!

100% agree with this EssexAl, even if it's my heart as well as my head saying it.
I know it's necessary to be ruthless sometimes, but hasn't Chris Solly earned the right to be given time and a few more chances?

Being too cold-blooded drives feelings of support and loyalty out of the game for fans. Disposing of long serving, hard working players the first instant they can't perform at their peak does not sit well with me, no matter how "efficient" it might seem.

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We've used eight different strikers this season so it's all to play for. No idea whether Watt (or Vetokele) will find their early form again.

Solly might or may not be a regular over the next 18 months but I think THD will make the left back slot his own. I don't know how long Solly has left on his contract but he will have to regain his form to get a new deal.

As posted above I'm sure we can wait that long before decisions are made as to whether Solly is part of the first 18.

It might mean a new right back is acquired but I think either Fox or Bergdich will move on.

In all the criticism and turbulence people are missing the rationale of the latest managerial appointment: Fraeye and Euell have been appointed because of tactical nous and their ability to coach and bring through young players.

It's the players who need development as individuals and as a team. THD, KAG, Lookman, Watt, Fox, Makienok, Bauer, Sarr, Pope are all very young. Gudmundsson, Cousins and Solly aren't much older.

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Nov 22, 2015 13:23:40 GMT @lardiman said:

Nov 22, 2015 11:46:21 GMT MurciaAl said:

I'm inclined to agree with Watt, fans put him on a very high pedestal very early on and he has definitely fallen from his perch. He just never looks fit to me.

Solly, although he has not had his greatest season, I think it is far too early to right him off.

When I first saw Holmes Dennis play, I did say he was one of the best prospects from that bunch of youngsters and he is beginning to show that he is capable of holding down a place in the first team. Although he has done brilliantly in the last two games, I am not in favour of a left footed right back.

Lookman was great yesterday, but at 18, he needs nurturing, I remember Ahearn-Grant being hailed as the next best thing since sliced bread and he hasn't pushed on yet. Lookman looks exceptionally promising, but lets not build up too much expectation just yet!

100% agree with this EssexAl, even if it's my heart as well as my head saying it.
I know it's necessary to be ruthless sometimes, but hasn't Chris Solly earned the right to be given time and a few more chances?

Being too cold-blooded drives feelings of support and loyalty out of the game for fans. Disposing of long serving, hard working players the first instant they can't perform at their peak does not sit well with me, no matter how "efficient" it might seem.

I'm not interested in long serving loyal players who are injured and can't go forward and hold us back. You think it's coincidence solly not playing and us winning last two with Holmes Dennis look at out last 4 goals

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Wouldn't write anybody off. One of the good things about Riga was that he came in and gave a chance to players who had been seen as misfits under Powell. He hadn't signed any of them and so had no preconceived - and possibly misplaced - loyalties or prejudices.

Fraeye seems to have a similar attitude. Although he was apparently involved in scouting some of the current squad, he's got an open mind - witness the way he has rehabilitated Jackson and taken guidance from Euell that Lookman was ready for a more rapid promotion than anyone expected.

My feeling is that anyone who impresses Fraeye on the training ground will get a chance. So it's up to Solly and Watt...

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Nov 22, 2015 13:52:57 GMT @weststandfblock said:

I'm not interested in long serving loyal players who are injured and can't go forward and hold us back. You think it's coincidence solly not playing and us winning last two with Holmes Dennis look at out last 4 goals

I didn't mean Solly gets straight back in right now. I just don't want him tossed on the scrap heap for good.
Perhaps you did not mean that. Maybe I misunderstood the thread title.

If Solly cannot recover properly and won't ever play to an acceptable level again then he'll have to go, I accept that. But if that time comes I hope you'll at least thank him for the contribution he has made over the years. Something a little more gracious than NO THANKS.

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Nov 22, 2015 13:20:15 GMT ExeterAddick said:

Watt needs a good kick up the arse. So much natural talent and still quite young, but he never looks fully fit to me and he's far too greedy. If an influential coach got hold of him, they could turn him into a top player.

Plays too deep and does not know when to release the ball.

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Nov 22, 2015 14:09:21 GMT @lardiman said:

Nov 22, 2015 13:52:57 GMT @weststandfblock said:

I'm not interested in long serving loyal players who are injured and can't go forward and hold us back. You think it's coincidence solly not playing and us winning last two with Holmes Dennis look at out last 4 goals

I didn't mean Solly gets straight back in right now. I just don't want him tossed on the scrap heap for good.
Perhaps you did not mean that. Maybe I misunderstood the thread title.

If Solly cannot recover properly and won't ever play to an acceptable level again then he'll have to go, I accept that. But if that time comes I hope you'll at least thank him for the contribution he has made over the years. Something a little more gracious than NO THANKS.

yeah I would of course thank him but he ain't no championship right back. Love the fella but it's like watching an injured deer

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If Karel Fraeye was called "Sid Smith", I wonder if a certain poster would still be walking around with what looks like a banana in his trousers?

Despite the events of the last week, some deluded cretins are still absolutely in thrall to the cosmopolitan liberal dream.

"Oh dahhhhling....we have a coach called Karel Fraeye now....he rubs himself down not with linament but with finest Chablis....shall we have a toast to him tonight"

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Nov 22, 2015 16:23:10 GMT @weststandfblock said:

Nov 22, 2015 14:09:21 GMT @lardiman said:

I didn't mean Solly gets straight back in right now. I just don't want him tossed on the scrap heap for good.
Perhaps you did not mean that. Maybe I misunderstood the thread title.

If Solly cannot recover properly and won't ever play to an acceptable level again then he'll have to go, I accept that. But if that time comes I hope you'll at least thank him for the contribution he has made over the years. Something a little more gracious than NO THANKS.

yeah I would of course thank him but he ain't no championship right back. Love the fella but it's like watching an injured deer

Solly is no championship right back, you have got to be kidding.

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Nov 22, 2015 17:35:48 GMT @elfsborgaddick said:

Nov 22, 2015 16:23:10 GMT @weststandfblock said:

yeah I would of course thank him but he ain't no championship right back. Love the fella but it's like watching an injured deer

Solly is no championship right back, you have got to be kidding.

well said elfs glad it ain't just me that thinks it

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Chris Solly is class.

The only two things currently hampering him are:

1. A chronic knee injury

2. Playing in a shit team

[thesunisred]

There is such a thing as form. Solly may be injured, or just on a run of bad form.
To write him of so easily, when he has so much experience and ability is silly.
How about a bit of competition for places.
Those were the days!

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Nov 22, 2015 18:27:45 GMT @weststandfblock said:

Nov 22, 2015 17:35:48 GMT @elfsborgaddick said:

Solly is no championship right back, you have got to be kidding.

well said elfs glad it ain't just me that thinks it

You have either misunderstood me or you are taking the p***.

Chris Solly is a fantastic player. One of the best right backs since my favourite player, John Humphrey.

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Nov 22, 2015 18:47:31 GMT @elfsborgaddick said:

Nov 22, 2015 18:27:45 GMT @weststandfblock said:

well said elfs glad it ain't just me that thinks it

You have either misunderstood me or you are taking the p***.

Chris Solly is a fantastic player. One of the best right backs since my favourite player, John Humphrey.

il go for the latter. Open your eyes and watch him play. His like he has one leg. Play football with the best team not ur heart!

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Nov 22, 2015 19:03:29 GMT @weststandfblock said:

Nov 22, 2015 18:47:31 GMT @elfsborgaddick said:

You have either misunderstood me or you are taking the p***.

Chris Solly is a fantastic player. One of the best right backs since my favourite player, John Humphrey.

il go for the latter. Open your eyes and watch him play. His like he has one leg. Play football with the best team not ur heart!

And the best team would be with a fit Chris solly at rb. If Holmes Dennis is going to replace anyone it should be fox, who isn't fit to tie Chris's laces even on a bad day.

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Nov 22, 2015 19:09:06 GMT @thethirdcoming said:

Nov 22, 2015 19:03:29 GMT @weststandfblock said:

il go for the latter. Open your eyes and watch him play. His like he has one leg. Play football with the best team not ur heart!

And the best team would be with a fit Chris solly at rb. If Holmes Dennis is going to replace anyone it should be fox, who isn't fit to tie Chris's laces even on a bad day.

if solly is fit of course but it's clear he isn't and is struggling beyond words. Fox is half asleep. Wiggins for me should have stayed.

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Nov 22, 2015 19:19:36 GMT @weststandfblock said:

Nov 22, 2015 19:09:06 GMT @thethirdcoming said:

And the best team would be with a fit Chris solly at rb. If Holmes Dennis is going to replace anyone it should be fox, who isn't fit to tie Chris's laces even on a bad day.

if solly is fit of course but it's clear he isn't and is struggling beyond words. Fox is half asleep. Wiggins for me should have stayed.

That's because he has been forced to play every game as we don't have cover. He also had the added pressure of being captain when JJ wasn't playing.

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Nov 22, 2015 19:19:36 GMT @weststandfblock said:

Nov 22, 2015 19:09:06 GMT @thethirdcoming said:

And the best team would be with a fit Chris solly at rb. If Holmes Dennis is going to replace anyone it should be fox, who isn't fit to tie Chris's laces even on a bad day.

if solly is fit of course but it's clear he isn't and is struggling beyond words. Fox is half asleep. Wiggins for me should have stayed.

Wiggins suffered from too many injuries.

One of the few things Meire has done right.

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Solly is the best right back we've had in my admittedly short time supporting the club. He has been out of form this season but that is down to having no cover what so ever. If we got a second right back Solly would be flying, he gets stuck in more than anyone else and when 1 on 1 against a winger I back him every time.
Even when knackered like he is now, he still shows his passion and footballing intelligence, like Jackson does. The proof of this was the 3-1 win against Wednesday, he was injured but couldn't go off so he limped over to the Wednesday player and tore the ball off him. Class.

[jonkool]

Chris Solly has been a stalwart and it's sooo sad to see him struggle.

I am concerned with the way the chief medical officer has managed injured players going all the way back to Clive who could have bend rested, treated and restored to the playing squad.

Igor's situation beggars belief - he was played in the final meaningless games of last season whilst clearly suffering from the early season injury and is now still out injured.

Returning to Chris we were 'advised' that his chronic condition had to be carefully managed with him being rested from time to time but that clearly hasn't happened this season.

He is far less able to overlap and get crosses into the box from the biline which cuts down our attacking options as witnessed yesterday at St Andrews when THD pulled back a cross for the winner.

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Nov 22, 2015 21:47:06 GMT jonkool said:

Chris Solly has been a stalwart and it's sooo sad to see him struggle.

I am concerned with the way the chief medical officer has managed injured players going all the way back to Clive who could have bend rested, treated and restored to the playing squad.

Igor's situation beggars belief - he was played in the final meaningless games of last season whilst clearly suffering from the early season injury and is now still out injured.

Returning to Chris we were 'advised' that his chronic condition had to be carefully managed with him being rested from time to time but that clearly hasn't happened this season.

He is far less able to overlap and get crosses into the box from the biline which cuts down our attacking options as witnessed yesterday at St Andrews when THD pulled back a cross for the winner.

exactly doesn't bomb down the wing or overlap. Even when his playing with jbg! Gets to half way line and goes back

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I have defended Solly in the past -not any more! I was lucky enough to sit right near the touchline for the Rotherham game,so I got first experience at being pitch level from that day I could clearly see Solly was all over the place its not just him its the left back from morrocco as well he is bloddy awful!.So we basically starting with 9 men which is not good.Then you have the midfield who just pass it around think they are playing for Barcelona ,no one from the midfield area puts a tackle in.The strikers that day I dont think managed to have a shot on goal in the first 45 minutes!!!!.Luzon by half time had lost the plot he was standing directly under the police box area far corner of the ground so being nosey I asked his assistant ffs please buy a left back we are crying out for one ,his assistant then came over and said "who you have in mind ?" which I replied WILSON PALCINOS currently available on a free transfer.His assistant then replied good shout!!!!!.

We need as a club to have a complete clearout in jan out must go

solly
ba
morrocan
fox
watt
pope
henderson

In must come

2 new keepers
1 new right back I would offload solly on a free
1 left back
1 left sided player
1 striker

I go for

Wilson Palcinos as I have mentioned
Peter Crouch loan not getting game time and would i think move
O brien Millwall the wonderkid down the road
Dean Cox Leyton Orient
Tom Soares Bury

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Nov 23, 2015 12:54:25 GMT @acworthgreenwich said:

I have defended Solly in the past -not any more! I was lucky enough to sit right near the touchline for the Rotherham game,so I got first experience at being pitch level from that day I could clearly see Solly was all over the place its not just him its the left back from morrocco as well he is bloddy awful!.So we basically starting with 9 men which is not good.Then you have the midfield who just pass it around think they are playing for Barcelona ,no one from the midfield area puts a tackle in.The strikers that day I dont think managed to have a shot on goal in the first 45 minutes!!!!.Luzon by half time had lost the plot he was standing directly under the police box area far corner of the ground so being nosey I asked his assistant ffs please buy a left back we are crying out for one ,his assistant then came over and said "who you have in mind ?" which I replied WILSON PALCINOS currently available on a free transfer.His assistant then replied good shout!!!!!.

We need as a club to have a complete clearout in jan out must go

solly
ba
morrocan
fox
watt
pope
henderson

In must come

2 new keepers
1 new right back I would offload solly on a free
1 left back
1 left sided player
1 striker

I go for

Wilson Palcinos as I have mentioned
Peter Crouch loan not getting game time and would i think move
O brien Millwall the wonderkid down the road
Dean Cox Leyton Orient
Tom Soares Bury

Hahaha, Rotherham was how many games back?!! Luzon assistant asking a fan for scouting advice?!!! Selling Henderson?!!! Comedy Gold.... Hahaha

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Nov 23, 2015 12:54:25 GMT @acworthgreenwich said:

I have defended Solly in the past -not any more! I was lucky enough to sit right near the touchline for the Rotherham game,so I got first experience at being pitch level from that day I could clearly see Solly was all over the place its not just him its the left back from morrocco as well he is bloddy awful!.So we basically starting with 9 men which is not good.Then you have the midfield who just pass it around think they are playing for Barcelona ,no one from the midfield area puts a tackle in.The strikers that day I dont think managed to have a shot on goal in the first 45 minutes!!!!.Luzon by half time had lost the plot he was standing directly under the police box area far corner of the ground so being nosey I asked his assistant ffs please buy a left back we are crying out for one ,his assistant then came over and said "who you have in mind ?" which I replied WILSON PALCINOS currently available on a free transfer.His assistant then replied good shout!!!!!.

We need as a club to have a complete clearout in jan out must go

solly
ba
morrocan
fox
watt
pope
henderson

In must come

2 new keepers
1 new right back I would offload solly on a free
1 left back
1 left sided player
1 striker

I go for

Wilson Palcinos as I have mentioned
Peter Crouch loan not getting game time and would i think move
O brien Millwall the wonderkid down the road
Dean Cox Leyton Orient
Tom Soares Bury

First off Jon, it's WILSON PALACIOS and he is a centre midfielder.

Second of all, if you believe Tom soares (he was shit first time round) and dean cox can add to this squad you are even more bonkers than I first thought.

Best off getting that money from your long lost ancestors and buy the club yourself.

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Also letting go of 7 players and bringing in 5 doesn't help our already thin squad.

Come on Jon, think before you post otherwise I imagine you will get banned for the 7284th time.