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Post by canterburyaddick on Oct 25, 2014 16:57:18 GMT
I for one will stand and applaud Parker when he comes to play at the Valley. Games where he outplayed Gerrard, Graveson at his peak and ran the midfield when we beat Chelsea 4-2 rank amongst my greatest Charlton moments. Admittedly the last ultimately cost us his services. He was made an offer that he couldn't refuse, get over it those who booed him.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 25, 2014 18:13:51 GMT
We have three Seriously Red, Gomez, KAG and Cousins on a good day.....The rest are just not good enough and let's not be kidded by the reason why they are in the squad. The likes of Munns, Fox and Harriot are in it on default, we are wafer thin, they are not in it on merit. That might be pretty damning but it's the truth. I'll take that! Harriott should have kicked on by now - he looked ok at the end of last season and hit the bar vs Brentford - football is about thin margins and he has 18 months left on his contract. Fox may or may not make it - I don't know how players develop but I wouldn't write him off. My point elsewhere is that it has taken Derby and forest three years to get where they are...and Watford took an alarming drop after they lost to Palace... Peeters and Meire had something but not much to build on over the summer. Thing is many of the signings are only 22-24 so this squad has a future unlike the squad 2011-2014. We list Poyet but we have all the others on long term deals. I think you and I and everyone all agree that we need to build on what we have... And i want real quality added. Where people differ is when we get players in. I'm being patient because I think we have chances in November and I want to see them get the next two signings spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 18:39:10 GMT
Fox was poor last night, but I would much rather watch our home grown lads have the occasional stinker than mercenary trash like Reza, Petrucci, and now Bulot.
Wasn't Moussa terrible last night ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 19:08:55 GMT
Fox was poor last night, but I would much rather watch our home grown lads have the occasional stinker than mercenary trash like Reza, Petrucci, and now Bulot. Wasn't Moussa terrible last night ? Thought Bulot was excellent last night. And Moussa wasn't terrible. He's a journeyman but he shows decent technical skill. I'd have to agree that he tends to linger on the ball too long instead of picking out a pass.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 25, 2014 21:06:03 GMT
When we signed Moussa I did say on here that I couldn't work out how our scouts could spot him but not his team mate Calum Wilson.
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Post by jha2mjo on Oct 25, 2014 21:13:20 GMT
Frank moussa - free transfer. Callum Wilson - £3mil! Might have something to do with it!
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Post by americanaddick on Oct 25, 2014 21:17:50 GMT
When we signed Moussa I did say on here that I couldn't work out how our scouts could spot him but not his team mate Calum Wilson. Because Moussa was free and Wilson wasn't. The chuckle brothers left us with a mountain of debt and Roland is trying to get rid of it. Anyone knows that debt is toxic, especially to an organization like ours which isn't making a profit to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:35:59 GMT
Is there anybody who doesn't understand the financial difference between Russian oligarch Maxim Demin and Duchatalet?
Maybe Demin will get away with it and throw enough money at Bournemouth before the full impact of FFP kicks in to buy promotion to the prem this season. I don't think M Duchatalet is in a position to do that, even if he wanted to.
Is anybody really saying we should have outbidded the £3m Bournemouth paid for Calum Wilson by offering £3.5m?
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 26, 2014 8:37:04 GMT
Frank moussa - free transfer. Callum Wilson - £3mil! Might have something to do with it! Not so long ago I recall us wasting a whole month chasing a French fake of a footballer who we were prepared to piss £3m/£4m up the wall for. Proof if ever I saw it that Duchatelet and his ill advised scouts are looking in the wrong place. The players we need are over here, I am getting a bit sick and tired of the continuous continental Joe Bloggs' turning up and being not up to standard....pardon the pun!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 9:03:06 GMT
I am getting a bit sick and tired of the criticism of the young players. It is not necessary. In my thirty years of watching the Academy players the Academy has never been stronger. Yes we have produced very good players in the past in Bowyer, Parker, Defoe. Etc But back then we weren't attracting as many good youngsters as we are now. You forget Reams of the hundreds of players that didn't make it. I watched the U18s yesterday and we play a quick passing game with lots of movement. Some very promising players like George Lapslie, Brandon Hanlan, Josh Umerah, Barnes etc. With Holmes-Dennis, Ahearne- Grant Gomez etc coming through the future is bright. Players like Fox are maybe not good enough for us and Harriott is not consistent enough but I still think there is a player in there.
Steve Avory, Sergei Baltacha, and Paul Hart, when he was here, and to a lesser extent Jason Euell are doing a great job.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 26, 2014 9:36:26 GMT
We are in a better place than this time last year. On that there is no argument. Some defenders of the old squad and management have even asked we stop comparing to last season. And others say the Championship is impossible etc. All I ask is that we are in a better place this time next year and I believe that will come about with some key additions and our twenty players aging by a year gaining the experience of another 30-40 games. So I don't think there's a need to slate the players who won't make it nor the coaching nor the scouts who have brought in ten players over the summer. As we go to acquire better players its going to get more expensive and perhaps harder to sell CAFC to the targets and their agents. And as we climb the table with expectations rising there might be more critics of academy players, more nutty comments about foreign mercenaries (wtf) and more blame heaped on M.Duchatelet and Meire for what they didn't do. But perhaps we can discuss what is working, what might work and never forget the 2013-14 squad with 35 players and six wins by February?! It's going to be an interesting six months ahead and I think November will tell us where this season goes and how much the six academy players help. So let's get behind the lads vs Wednesday and perhaps discuss how we should play that one given Buyens and Gudmundsson are back but Bulot is out. And who knows whether Vetokele is back? Oh did I just mention three Europeans and one Angolan who play for CAFC?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 9:46:40 GMT
Lets be honest...even for the fans on here and CL who admire RD through the lens of a rolled up copy of the Guardian (or Le Figaro), 90% of his imports so far have been crap. Everyone of the first batch last January, and of the latest lot, only Igor, JBG, and a small bit of Buyens look to be any good. Not good enough! The recruitment policy is clearly duff when so many are failing to make the grade in the Championship. RD should look at the Burnley model of recruitment - it got them promoted on a minute budget.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 12:50:13 GMT
Lets be honest...even for the fans on here and CL who admire RD through the lens of a rolled up copy of the Guardian (or Le Figaro), 90% of his imports so far have been crap. Everyone of the first batch last January, and of the latest lot, only Igor, JBG, and a small bit of Buyens look to be any good. Not good enough! The recruitment policy is clearly duff when so many are failing to make the grade in the Championship. RD should look at the Burnley model of recruitment - it got them promoted on a minute budget. Perhaps we should have a word with the scouting system at Burnley, their one seems to work without polluting the club with overseas players.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 14:43:42 GMT
Lets be honest...even for the fans on here and CL who admire RD through the lens of a rolled up copy of the Guardian (or Le Figaro), 90% of his imports so far have been crap. Everyone of the first batch last January, and of the latest lot, only Igor, JBG, and a small bit of Buyens look to be any good. Not good enough! The recruitment policy is clearly duff when so many are failing to make the grade in the Championship. RD should look at the Burnley model of recruitment - it got them promoted on a minute budget. Perhaps we should have a word with the scouting system at Burnley, their one seems to work without polluting the club with overseas players. Polluting the Club with overseas players? That is very harsh. I only ask for two things from the players, one is that they give 100 per cent and that they are good. I couldn't give a Rat's arse what Country they come from.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Oct 26, 2014 15:55:27 GMT
Perhaps we should have a word with the scouting system at Burnley, their one seems to work without polluting the club with overseas players. Polluting the Club with overseas players? That is very harsh. I only ask for two things from the players, one is that they give 100 per cent and that they are good. I couldn't give a Rat's arse what Country they come from. Completely agree - our best players this season IMO have been Vetokele, Bikey, Henderson, Ben Haim and JBG. I didn't hear too many people praising our transfer policy when we were fielding the likes of Francis, Nouble, Reid, Benson, McCormack, Anyinsah, Mooney, Borrowdale, McLeod, etc, etc only a few years ago.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 26, 2014 16:29:04 GMT
Also completely out of touch with Championship reality and the geography of Cafc... Some 50% of championship players are from abroad because of players relegated from the FAPL and the size of championship budgets compared to European clubs outside of Germany and top clubs in Italy, Spain and France.
People should also wake up the fact that top young players selecting a London club are going to go with the money aside from a few who value game time over massive training complexes and big contracts. The same goes for older players like O'grady and Stephens who want big, big money when they aren't actually that good!
The only way around this for CAFC (and Watford) is a decent academy and network loans / scouting. And that's why we are the only two clubs in the top ten who don't have parachute money nor telephone number losses. Derby are the exception and they have developed their squad from their academy over years with eight of their first team having been there for three years or more.
So I could understand the criticism if it were a year or two down the road and lurking mid-table. But M.Duchatelet and Meire have been in charge for ten months! They are on their third head coach and have transformed the squad and still the keyboards rattle with xenophobic venom.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 16:31:41 GMT
Polluting the Club with overseas players? That is very harsh. I only ask for two things from the players, one is that they give 100 per cent and that they are good. I couldn't give a Rat's arse what Country they come from. Completely agree - our best players this season IMO have been Vetokele, Bikey, Henderson, Ben Haim and JBG. I didn't hear too many people praising our transfer policy when we were fielding the likes of Francis, Nouble, Reid, Benson, McCormack, Anyinsah, Mooney, Borrowdale, McLeod, etc, etc only a few years ago. With the exception of Reid, we really have bought some toilet over the years. That little group brings me out in a cold sweat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 18:15:36 GMT
How about this little group then Dick... Petrucci.....Nego.......Thuram......Koc.......Reza......Astrid........Moussa.......Bulot.........Tucadean Pass the smelling salts, nurse
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 18:34:44 GMT
I think Nouble, Mooney, Mc Leod, Mc Cormack, Benson still wins, just.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 19:13:41 GMT
Overall I still believe that to have players/managers with experience of the league they are in has to be the way forward.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Oct 26, 2014 21:34:23 GMT
Completely agree - our best players this season IMO have been Vetokele, Bikey, Henderson, Ben Haim and JBG. I didn't hear too many people praising our transfer policy when we were fielding the likes of Francis, Nouble, Reid, Benson, McCormack, Anyinsah, Mooney, Borrowdale, McLeod, etc, etc only a few years ago. With the exception of Reid, we really have bought some toilet over the years. That little group brings me out in a cold sweat. I was talking about Kyel Reid, rather than Andy, just in case there was any confusion.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Oct 26, 2014 21:35:30 GMT
How about this little group then Dick... Petrucci.....Nego.......Thuram......Koc.......Reza......Astrid........Moussa.......Bulot.........Tucadean Pass the smelling salts, nurse So, in conclusion, we've brought in shit from the UK and abroad and had good players from the UK and abroad.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 26, 2014 22:04:09 GMT
Overall I still believe that to have players/managers with experience of the league they are in has to be the way forward. This time next year our whole squad bar any summer signings will have a lot of Championship experience - they have to show they can cope and deliver or they won't be first choice. Apart from Jackson, Solly, Cousins and Wiggins we started from scratch last summer. Can't argue with Ben Haim, Henderson (who played at Ipswich) and Bikey. Plus Gomez looking good. There are different opinions about the front six but Gudmundsson and Vetokele appear to be universally rated. I hope we can hold onto Buyens and build from there. It's going to be expensive to improve the squad from now on in but the end result will surely be worth it.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 26, 2014 22:38:40 GMT
Something else I want to add to this thread is how many of our youngsters have been released by the club or sold for peanuts only to go to another one and improve their game.?
Arter, Turner, Gislason to name a few.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 7:18:48 GMT
Something else I want to add to this thread is how many of our youngsters have been released by the club or sold for peanuts only to go to another one and improve their game.? Arter, Turner, Gislason to name a few. Powell didn't rate Michael Smith....who is now having an outstanding season scoring goals for Swindon Town.
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Post by somerton on Oct 27, 2014 8:07:02 GMT
Reams agree with you, I wish people would put the Parker leaving us to bed. I had a moan at the time, but neverdoubted his ability as a player, one of the bset produced by Charlton. He is the type of midfield quality player the current team is crying out for, even at his age is faster than ayounest players over 20yds and knows how to tackle for example.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 8:42:47 GMT
Something else I want to add to this thread is how many of our youngsters have been released by the club or sold for peanuts only to go to another one and improve their game.? Arter, Turner, Gislason to name a few. You are always going to get that. Some players are late developers. With Arter, Parkinson didn't rate him. Arter loved the club and I couldn't understand why he wasn't given a contract. With Michael Turner, there were a lot of centre halfs ahead of him. Gislason came into the Club with a bit of a fanfare as he was highly rated. But he suffered with a number of injuries and never really did himself justice. Some players have to drop down to lower divisions and non league to prove themselves. This happens with every Club, releasing players who go on to prove themselves and have a good career.
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