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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 3, 2014 17:31:26 GMT
Like I said when something happens within the club that the fans groups are involved with of course we can discuss it.
What I am trying to put an end to is the amount of threads that get started up on here every other day about something that somebody has said. In the main it is something that has appeared on CL which is referred to which results in us all getting involved in their thread on here because we can't do it on there? Is there any point? We don't like them they don't like us so there is no reason why we just can't leave it at that.
Comparison s between CP and Jose will happen that's natural, we will no doubt all comment on how fans groups are interacting with the club too but lets' stop all this have you seen what the TRUST are up to or what Rick Everitt is trying to do, whatever that might be nothing is going to change unless Roland Duchatelet says so and that is just not going to happen, Standard Liege are not top of their league filling their stadium every week because of what the fans have decided?!
This place is far more enjoyable when we are discussing what is the most important thing, the very reason why we are all here.
It isn't Rick Everitt, it isn't the TRUST and it isn't CL.
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Post by bigandy99 on Apr 3, 2014 17:34:30 GMT
Like I said when something happens within the club that the fans groups are involved with of course we can discuss it. What I am trying to put an end to is the amount of threads that get started up on here every other day about something that somebody has said. In the main it is something that has appeared on CL which is referred to which results in us all getting involved in their thread on here because we can't do it on there? Is there any point? We don't like them they don't like us so there is no reason why we just can't leave it at that. Comparison s between CP and Jose will happen that's natural, we will no doubt all comment on how fans groups are interacting with the club too but lets' stop all this have you seen what the TRUST are up to or what Rick Everitt is trying to do, whatever that might be nothing is going to change unless Roland Duchatelet says so and that is just not going to happen, Standard Liege are not top of their league filling their stadium every week because of what the fans have decided?! This place is far more enjoyable when we are discussing what is the most important thing, the very reason why we are all here. It isn't Rick Everitt, it isn't the TRUST and it isn't CL. Spot on
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 17:46:19 GMT
SE9 doesn't get stick on here...he defends CAST, & is quite capable of fighting his corner. The site is better for him being on it. Ditto Ackers, Sadie Jane and Offit. Sticks and stones may break my bones but the Internet will never hurt me !
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Post by bartramsboot on Apr 3, 2014 18:08:51 GMT
Parky was often compared with CP, the problem started when people started playing follow my leader with man love blinding the masses, as in people saying they would rather be relegated under CP than have another manager. If someone says something ridiculous on a forum it's natural that they will have the piss ripped out of them. If you ban talk of the trust on here then how can people's criticisms be noted by those that are involved, SE9, Rikofold etc. For all the stick SE9 gets, at least he still has a platform on here to share his love for the club with others, and also promote what he believes in. As someone that's not too interested in football (tennis man myself) I view this forum as quite adult and self policing, the jibes at CL apart. The main problem here is that ITTV has many banned ex CL people so it will take some time for this disenfranchised demographic to be watered down. Reams, if you make rules like this then this forum will be mirroring CL, and that it certainly isn't. I'm a member of the Trust, nothing more. Too modest by half.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 21:37:06 GMT
Halle frickin luyah!
I've found myself visiting, reading and leaving lately because 90% of new threads are slagging something or someone off rather than discussing the one thing everyone has in common, Charlton athletic!
I do partially agree with incorruptableaddick though sometimes if the trust or g21 etc are doing or saying anything affecting Charlton and other supporters you should be able to discuss that, discussion and debate is a damn site better than point scoring and slating people, but you don't need to start a new thread everytime something is said or done by someone that you don't agree with, all grievances consolidated into one thread is suffice.
RE Ben's beard, it looks ridiculous but it seems to be working for him so let it be.
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 3, 2014 21:46:31 GMT
Like I said sadie there is no harm in discussing the actions of fans groups and the reactions to it from the club but surely the time to do it is when they happen? The forum is a negative read at the moment with thread upon thread of the same stuff about the same group of people or individuals and it has become cluttered.
If RD and KM have told the fans look leave it until the summer then we should do the same, until then there is nothing to discuss on any subject regarding fans groups. Once they have had their meetings and everybody knows where they stand I will put a Q&A thread up on here for people to have their say, ask questions or show concerns. If the TRUST want to use it to answer any of those they can but I prefer not to have countless threads on the same thing.
We need to have a structure on here where people take the time to search for threads that might be already running on the subject they want to talk about otherwise it just gets untidy.
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Post by discocafc on Apr 3, 2014 21:46:46 GMT
Fair enough, and I welcome that, but lets give it a couple of weeks. I think I play by the rules you set on your forum and only post Trust related nonsense on the specific thread you started months ago in the "non-football" section of the site when you last decided to try and enforce some regulation. But it seems this sort of thing lasts as long as it takes for you to decide to slag off CL/CAST and then it's fair game again because you've decided not to play by the very rules you've imposed. Like I've said, lets see. Agree 100% Another point to add is that I have heard it all before when a thread was started by yourself Reams stating "My issues with CL are over" then two weeks later, another CL thread started slagging someone off. I understand everyones frustration about other peoples views but the continuous threads about CL is really boring and pathetic in all honesty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 23:31:20 GMT
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Apr 4, 2014 6:21:57 GMT
At the moment I feel like one of those fans who lives abroad-still be back for to Yeovil game. What I want is info about tactics, who played well etc. It's been frustrating at the lack of proper football debate on here recently. Good initiative Reams just hope it stands up to scrutiny.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 7:13:32 GMT
At the moment I feel like one of those fans who lives abroad-still be back for to Yeovil game. What I want is info about tactics, who played well etc. It's been frustrating at the lack of proper football debate on here recently. Don't really agree with that, CA. I'd say since Riga took over there has been a lot of superbly informed discussion on here about whether he's got the team playing differently and if so how , and what are the reasons for the dramatic improvement in form and results. And on the downside, why we're still not scoring many goals. I could provide links to the many threads but don't have time right now. But it's all there and easily accessible if you are interested. The other point worth making is that of all the supporters groups and sites, ITTV has by a long way been the most positive and upbeat about the exciting new direction in which RD is taking the club and the improvements he has brought about on the field, which many of us predicted would lift us out of the bottom three. Happily we have so far been proved right!
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Post by canterburyaddick on Apr 4, 2014 9:11:56 GMT
I can only say how I have seen it over the past couple of weeks while I have been out of the country. For a country that's supposed to be leading the IT revolution, and putting many in the uk IT industry out of work, it's not been straight forward getting online at times. So you want as much info as possible when you do get on rather than having to wade through more digs at CL or CAST (I paid my 5 GBP by the way).
Agree with the positivity about the new owners etc - athough a bit of healthy scepticism is always a good thing where owners are concerned- very happy with the way Jose is turning out. But who was this Italian sounding player the other night? I'll have a look through the treads to see if I can find anything.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Apr 4, 2014 9:26:18 GMT
No nothing so I must have missed it somewhere.
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Post by bowmanstash on Apr 4, 2014 10:21:47 GMT
young midfield loanee from Man Utd.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Apr 4, 2014 11:49:48 GMT
Thanks Tash. My point really - I can find loads on what CL supposedly says about totally irrelevant stuff, but nothing about the fact that we have taken a loanee from Man U and if he was any good. Reams you have my total backing.
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 4, 2014 16:41:10 GMT
Cheers mate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 17:52:36 GMT
Thanks Tash. My point really - I can find loads on what CL supposedly says about totally irrelevant stuff, but nothing about the fact that we have taken a loanee from Man U and if he was any good. Nothing about him? There has been a thread about him on here for the last two weeks! In fact I think ITTV had the first news that we were looking to sign him. intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/15781/davide-petrucciAs to whether he is " any good" as most of us haven't seen him, I suspect we are reluctant to pass judgement until we've had a good look. Nothing is more reprehensible, in my view, than the dumb keyboard warriors who posted "no thanks" and "please no" about the signing of players like Astrit, Reza, Nego and Polish Pete befote they had ever seen them play. If youi missed the Petrucci thread, I suspect you missed a lot of the other threads about us winning three matches over the past two weeks, including some hardocre analysis of what Riga has done to turn things around. It has all been very positive and upbeat on here. You can say that the threads about personal animosities and inter-fan rivalries and other "totally irrelvant stuff" are boring. Fair enough. But to claim that is all there is and there has been no serious footballing analysis is plain wrong. There has been plenty, from reams, jonkool and many others, and much of it has been of the highest calibre.
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Post by lordromford on Apr 4, 2014 22:03:36 GMT
This is my first post on this site. I take issue with the idea that CL and ITTV don't like each other. I contribute to Charlton Life, so if you were to put me in one camp or the other, I'd be a 'Lifer'. But I'm also a regular and long time visitor here. I don't dislike ITTV. Neither, I would hope, do lots of other lifers. I also hope there are a number from here who don't dislike CL. To be honest, I just don't see any point in the mutual hatred and I find some of the venom spouted (on both sites) absolutely baffling. I've never contributed here before because I'm a comfortable lurker, but I'm also just not interested in getting involved in spats between CL and ITTV. (This is a sentiment I've expressed on CL in the past too, and I avoid threads slagging ITTV off.) People disagree all the time and debate is healthy, but the division between some personalities has, in my opinion, been counter-productive and unhealthy for some time now. There have been a few occasions recently where I felt like posting a message on both sites saying something along the lines of "Can't we all just get along?" With tongue only slightly in cheek. Sorry, just had to share my view on the sniping. It just bores me. I'll return to lurking now, but maybe I'll pop back for a chat again soon!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 22:18:51 GMT
Welcome lord
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 4, 2014 22:28:36 GMT
Hi Lord Romford, I take it that is where you are from? How is the town these days it was my place of birth although we lived in Dagenham until I was four before heading to North Wales. I have been back since many times and naturally I have a soft spot for the place.
I take your point about both sites not getting on and I agree it isn't everybody which is a good thing. Those that is does involve though will tell you that there is no love lost and at times I wish I never supported the club because it means sharing a passion with some people that I dislike with a passion.
Hatred is a very strong word and one that I rarely associate myself with however I would have no qualms about using it as a word to describe my feelings towards a handful of people on CL and it's never going to change, it's just the way it is, too much has gone on and too much has been said from both sides of the fence.
I have to point out that these are just my personal feelings and not those of the forum.
Welcome to ITTV and feel free to contribute whenever you want.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 23:24:57 GMT
This is my first post on this site. I take issue with the idea that CL and ITTV don't like each other. I contribute to Charlton Life, so if you were to put me in one camp or the other, I'd be a 'Lifer'. But I'm also a regular and long time visitor here. I don't dislike ITTV. Neither, I would hope, do lots of other lifers. I also hope there are a number from here who don't dislike CL. To be honest, I just don't see any point in the mutual hatred and I find some of the venom spouted (on both sites) absolutely baffling. I've never contributed here before because I'm a comfortable lurker, but I'm also just not interested in getting involved in spats between CL and ITTV. (This is a sentiment I've expressed on CL in the past too, and I avoid threads slagging ITTV off.) People disagree all the time and debate is healthy, but the division between some personalities has, in my opinion, been counter-productive and unhealthy for some time now. There have been a few occasions recently where I felt like posting a message on both sites saying something along the lines of "Can't we all just get along?" With tongue only slightly in cheek. Sorry, just had to share my view on the sniping. It just bores me. I'll return to lurking now, but maybe I'll pop back for a chat again soon! Hi LR, I started posting pretty much for the same reason they're an alright bunch on here most if the time when they're not slating us lifers, I'm with you completely the animosity between reams and co on here and a few on Charlton life is getting tedious and annoying I've said this on both sites a number of times as have a few others but it falls on deaf ears I'm afraid.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Apr 5, 2014 3:02:23 GMT
Thanks Incorruptible for the link. As you say - 2 weeks ago and lost in the irrelevant BS when you are trying to logon by Blackberry.
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Post by jonkool on Apr 5, 2014 5:32:53 GMT
Hope you had a good trip Cants - India??
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Post by canterburyaddick on Apr 5, 2014 9:19:42 GMT
Thanks mate - it has been fascinating,with some great sights but not sure I would come back again. T20 excitment is at its max now India are in the final.
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Post by bartramsboot on Apr 5, 2014 11:55:28 GMT
I think many have missed an important factor here, and that is the amount of people on CL who have been banned by ITTV mods. I think you'll find it's a big fat zero. I spent a year on CL and witnessed calculated witch hunts against five very decent human beings, four of which now post on this forum.
Action and reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 6:50:38 GMT
Bar the R Hunt thread, all good on here.
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Post by discocafc on May 19, 2014 21:00:00 GMT
Bump!
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Post by greeniejunior on May 20, 2014 5:57:06 GMT
The funny thing is, Reams is the worst one for it!
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Post by reamsofverse on May 20, 2014 17:18:48 GMT
Took you a month to get round to saying that did it, sharp as a razor you fella......not!
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Post by greeniejunior on May 20, 2014 19:43:14 GMT
Took you a month to get round to saying that did it, sharp as a razor you fella......not! I don't look on here that much tbh fella, just think it's quite ironic/hypocritical
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Post by reamsofverse on May 20, 2014 20:07:08 GMT
So says a member of the biggest ironic/hypocritical Charlton forum there is....Hope you wiped your feet on the way in and used the anti bacterial handwash?
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