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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 2, 2024 15:21:13 GMT
I mentioned on a previous post about our shortcomings in midfield, the only ones that can actually control the football and take care of the football is Coventry and Taylor…..it seems with the rest there is a currently an inability at times to bring the ball under control, stop it bouncing off their bodies and once it is under control find another midfield or forward colleague with a basic 5-10 pass We don’t really take control of football matches as we concede possession far too easily, our defence and Coventry are reluctant to play through the lines for whatever reason and either pass side ways or hoof it upfield in the general direction of Leaburn……even the Chelsea kids who didn’t really deserve a 3-0 kicking off us had 60 % of the ball on Tuesday night……🤔🤔 Berry must get neck ache watching the ball fly over his head for the majority of time so his only value really is picking up second balls and taking advantage of this which TBF he did nicely twice up at Oakwell….. The problem for me stems from the summer when we already had Coventry, Taylor and Anderson on the books so you would have thought that Anderson and Taylor would be very decent squad players and we would bring in more forward thinking technically gifted creative midfielders with goals in them to compliment Coventry….when in fact we brought more workhorses in Docherty and Campbell with Berry as the only midfielder with any semblance of goals in him…. Do I expect us to correct this in January….no I don’t…… I think it will be a case of rinse and repeat for the season…….. I agree that our recruitment was quite odd in midfield. Too many of the same types of players. I’m hopefully we can do something in January. I’m still of the opinion that we aren’t many players off a very good team. The problem is those players (creative, technical, flair, pacey) are pricey. I’m not convinced we will invest enough in the next window. January is notoriously expensive, but are there any of these players smashing it in league two? Potentially towards the end of their contract? Ramsay for me has proved the step up can easily be done from L2 to L1, if you identify the right player. Other clubs recruited well from L2 last year as well. I think we have to get more pace in the midfield. Berry, Coventry, Doc, A Campbell and Taylor aren’t pacey and it shows at times. We can’t get to the opposition quick enough some times and we can’t quickly change defence to attack without a bit of pace there. We lack it all over the pitch really. Doc, Berry and A Campbell can be seen chasing shadows quite often, where they simply do not have the speed or agility to keep up with some players. Leaburn scores! If we win today then that will be three wins and three draws in six, albeit two of these are cup games. That's one helluva change up from that which we've all seen since the takeover. So perhaps we should look at precisely what NJ has created, how we play and what he and Charlton TV say about our evolution. I've posted before that the large majority of our opponents have far smaller budgets. At the halfway mark every club will have played each other once and we'll know exactly where we are. On the pitch but also with attendances and revenues. Towards the end of November we might expect various discussions between those running the club. How does NJ propose to address the 2nd half of the season, his second year in charge. He stated that he aims to exit transfer windows in a better place than when he enters. But what does this mean for the midfield? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 3, 2024 9:18:07 GMT
Without him we would have been dumped out of the cup and humiliated yesterday……no doubt about that
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 5, 2024 13:22:45 GMT
I agree that our recruitment was quite odd in midfield. Too many of the same types of players. I’m hopefully we can do something in January. I’m still of the opinion that we aren’t many players off a very good team. The problem is those players (creative, technical, flair, pacey) are pricey. I’m not convinced we will invest enough in the next window. January is notoriously expensive, but are there any of these players smashing it in league two? Potentially towards the end of their contract? Ramsay for me has proved the step up can easily be done from L2 to L1, if you identify the right player. Other clubs recruited well from L2 last year as well. I think we have to get more pace in the midfield. Berry, Coventry, Doc, A Campbell and Taylor aren’t pacey and it shows at times. We can’t get to the opposition quick enough some times and we can’t quickly change defence to attack without a bit of pace there. We lack it all over the pitch really. Doc, Berry and A Campbell can be seen chasing shadows quite often, where they simply do not have the speed or agility to keep up with some players. Leaburn scores! If we win today then that will be three wins and three draws in six, albeit two of these are cup games. That's one helluva change up from that which we've all seen since the takeover. So perhaps we should look at precisely what NJ has created, how we play and what he and Charlton TV say about our evolution. I've posted before that the large majority of our opponents have far smaller budgets. At the halfway mark every club will have played each other once and we'll know exactly where we are. On the pitch but also with attendances and revenues. Towards the end of November we might expect various discussions between those running the club. How does NJ propose to address the 2nd half of the season, his second year in charge. He stated that he aims to exit transfer windows in a better place than when he enters. But what does this mean for the midfield? I was under the impression that the SMT have stated that their aim was to reduce the squad, not add to it. I'm sure that NJ would be able to spin that the squad is 'stronger' with the fringe players no longer in the way but unless we can move on a few players I can't see a significant investment in the wages, never mind a transfer fee. This does, obviously, assume that the PR we have been fed isn't to convince other clubs, players and their agents that we are not desperate, so as to enable us to being in players for less. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 5, 2024 15:51:38 GMT
Leaburn scores! If we win today then that will be three wins and three draws in six, albeit two of these are cup games. That's one helluva change up from that which we've all seen since the takeover. So perhaps we should look at precisely what NJ has created, how we play and what he and Charlton TV say about our evolution. I've posted before that the large majority of our opponents have far smaller budgets. At the halfway mark every club will have played each other once and we'll know exactly where we are. On the pitch but also with attendances and revenues. Towards the end of November we might expect various discussions between those running the club. How does NJ propose to address the 2nd half of the season, his second year in charge. He stated that he aims to exit transfer windows in a better place than when he enters. But what does this mean for the midfield? I was under the impression that the SMT have stated that their aim was to reduce the squad, not add to it. I'm sure that NJ would be able to spin that the squad is 'stronger' with the fringe players no longer in the way but unless we can move on a few players I can't see a significant investment in the wages, never mind a transfer fee. This does, obviously, assume that the PR we have been fed isn't to convince other clubs, players and their agents that we are not desperate, so as to enable us to being in players for less. During the summer it was all about theory, reputations and building for a challenge. Well, we've watched nine games of 5-3-2 and now a few with four at the back. The owners and SMT have watched these same games and have repeatedly stated that they wish to evolve the club AND head towards the Championship. Let's hope that it's clear to them that we require far more flair and creativity in midfield. Most of our regular matchday 18 are under contract for next season, aside from Jones, A. Campbell and Aneke. And according to the CEO, revenues up up around £3M, or 30%. Put another way, nowhere was it stated that the "ambition" was to tread water in League One! So we need to see the squad improved. As ever the squad and management need to deliver on the training ground, but I'd be very surprised if we don't look for talent in January, even if it's EPL loans. CAFC needs a better product to keep growing attendances and sponsorship, plus we need to stay in with a shout of the top six. Anything else would be seen as a failure this season, so now is the time to address precisely how we can climb the table. And whilst most of us do not wish to see a blank chequebook handed to the management, we are also aware that these additional revenues and/or owner equity could be used to assist the journey. Having replaced the 2022 squad, how much would it really cost so as to compete? |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Nov 5, 2024 15:52:31 GMT
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 5, 2024 16:50:25 GMT
This has zero relevance to this thread. Why is it here? Tbh, I'd question why we would care if it's on any thread on this site. We know the birmingham owners are throwing money at them. We don't need to know when they inject this money. I'm not sure what you are trying to share here. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Nov 5, 2024 17:08:35 GMT
This has zero relevance to this thread. Why is it here? Tbh, I'd question why we would care if it's on any thread on this site. We know the birmingham owners are throwing money at them. We don't need to know when they inject this money. I'm not sure what you are trying to share here. Why our owners not doing the same? Too keep leaburn for more years. |
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Post by 995632 on Nov 5, 2024 17:37:43 GMT
This has zero relevance to this thread. Why is it here? Tbh, I'd question why we would care if it's on any thread on this site. We know the birmingham owners are throwing money at them. We don't need to know when they inject this money. I'm not sure what you are trying to share here. Why our owners not doing the same? Too keep leaburn for more years. Have a feeling that Leaburn won't really be swayed by more money if he's given the chance to play at a higher level. Selling more shares to generate more cash is something they have said they won't do. Don't understand the logic in generating more income = keeping a player with lots of potential who higher placed teams are sniffing around? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 5, 2024 17:51:16 GMT
This has zero relevance to this thread. Why is it here? Tbh, I'd question why we would care if it's on any thread on this site. We know the birmingham owners are throwing money at them. We don't need to know when they inject this money. I'm not sure what you are trying to share here. Why our owners not doing the same? Too keep leaburn for more years. Mate, seriously, put yourself in Leaburns position as a 21 year old, would you stay at Charlton in league one or take the chance to earn life changing money and challenge yourself at a higher level…..What would you do? Football is just work to them, just as you and me going to work, would we turn down the opportunity of a life changing wage increase….? As for why our owners are not going down the same route as Birmingham owners, you probably have to ask the same question why Barnsley, Huddersfield, Wycombe ( and probably more) owners are not doing the same as I am pretty sure they are all pretty minted as well….. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 5, 2024 18:01:55 GMT
This has zero relevance to this thread. Why is it here? Tbh, I'd question why we would care if it's on any thread on this site. We know the birmingham owners are throwing money at them. We don't need to know when they inject this money. I'm not sure what you are trying to share here. Why our owners not doing the same? Too keep leaburn for more years. So you’re asking why doesn’t every owner throw money at their club effectively? I think our owners have been very clear that this has never been their plan. Either deal with that or not. It’s not going to change their approach either way. They have confirmed they are working on a new contract with Leaburn and this extension allows them to take time on that. I’m still of the opinion he will sign an extension with a sizeable min fee release, but we shall see. Comparing our owners or any owners in league 1 to Birmingham’s is pointless. They are an exception, not the rule. The rest of us can’t compete with their levels of spend. Quite frankly, I’m perfectly fine with that. If we had 4-5 clubs doing that in league 1 it would be horrendous and unsustainable for 3 or more of them. Edit: I’ll caveat my Leaburn comment as I think Leaburn will want to see progress this year in order for the above to happen. We would need to be automatic contenders next year. I don’t think we’ve seen much progress yet. So it’s a big ‘if’. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 5, 2024 18:16:44 GMT
I was under the impression that the SMT have stated that their aim was to reduce the squad, not add to it. I'm sure that NJ would be able to spin that the squad is 'stronger' with the fringe players no longer in the way but unless we can move on a few players I can't see a significant investment in the wages, never mind a transfer fee. This does, obviously, assume that the PR we have been fed isn't to convince other clubs, players and their agents that we are not desperate, so as to enable us to being in players for less. During the summer it was all about theory, reputations and building for a challenge. Well, we've watched nine games of 5-3-2 and now a few with four at the back. The owners and SMT have watched these same games and have repeatedly stated that they wish to evolve the club AND head towards the Championship. Let's hope that it's clear to them that we require far more flair and creativity in midfield. Most of our regular matchday 18 are under contract for next season, aside from Jones, A. Campbell and Aneke. And according to the CEO, revenues up up around £3M, or 30%. Put another way, nowhere was it stated that the "ambition" was to tread water in League One! So we need to see the squad improved. As ever the squad and management need to deliver on the training ground, but I'd be very surprised if we don't look for talent in January, even if it's EPL loans. CAFC needs a better product to keep growing attendances and sponsorship, plus we need to stay in with a shout of the top six. Anything else would be seen as a failure this season, so now is the time to address precisely how we can climb the table. And whilst most of us do not wish to see a blank chequebook handed to the management, we are also aware that these additional revenues and/or owner equity could be used to assist the journey. Having replaced the 2022 squad, how much would it really cost so as to compete? A couple of things here, Jones has stated previously he definitely doesn’t want to take EPL kids on loan as he would rather coach our own kids rather than other clubs kids…..Also at the beginning of the season I would definitely have agreed with you about the need for more creativity in the middle of the park but as our game plan is akin to John Becks was at Cambridge and Harry Basset was at Wimbledon with the constant 60 yard long field diagonal bombs and getting the ball in the mixer as soon as possible I think any creative players would have neck ache watching the ball fly over their heads…..We would be better off trying to add someone like Nicola Zigic who is surplus at Birmingham now and built like a night club bouncer so would suit our style better…..👍 |
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Post by Tom1982 on Nov 6, 2024 10:53:16 GMT
Leaburn definitely seems to of added a bit of physicality to his game. At 6ft 5 he should be a handful on the end of crosses and Godden also looks sharp in the 18 yard box. It still baffles me why we won’t even try a standard 4-4-2! With a fully fit squad something like:
Mansion
Ramsey
Mitchell
Jones
Edwards
TC
Taylor
Coventry
Small
Leaburn
Godden
Looks sharp to me.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 6, 2024 11:54:19 GMT
Leaburn definitely seems to of added a bit of physicality to his game. At 6ft 5 he should be a handful on the end of crosses and Godden also looks sharp in the 18 yard box. It still baffles me why we won’t even try a standard 4-4-2! With a fully fit squad something like: Mansion Ramsey Mitchell Jones Edwards TC Taylor Coventry Small Leaburn Godden Looks sharp to me. I think the reason we wouldn’t put this side out Tom is down to the possibility that we might well get overloaded in the middle of the park….One of the reasons Jones changed from 3-5-2 was because we were losing the middle of the park having only three in there…hence he changed this to add the additional body in there…..You are advocating a midfield basically of Taylor and Coventry as TC and Small wouldn’t be doing too much tracking and tackling so as much as it looks a very positive looking side offensively I think we might struggle to see enough of the ball to use all of those attacking players…..Just my opinion for what’s it worth…… |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 6, 2024 11:59:14 GMT
Why our owners not doing the same? Too keep leaburn for more years. So you’re asking why doesn’t every owner throw money at their club effectively? I think our owners have been very clear that this has never been their plan. Either deal with that or not. It’s not going to change their approach either way. They have confirmed they are working on a new contract with Leaburn and this extension allows them to take time on that. I’m still of the opinion he will sign an extension with a sizeable min fee release, but we shall see. Comparing our owners or any owners in league 1 to Birmingham’s is pointless. They are an exception, not the rule. The rest of us can’t compete with their levels of spend. Quite frankly, I’m perfectly fine with that. If we had 4-5 clubs doing that in league 1 it would be horrendous and unsustainable for 3 or more of them. Edit: I’ll caveat my Leaburn comment as I think Leaburn will want to see progress this year in order for the above to happen. We would need to be automatic contenders next year. I don’t think we’ve seen much progress yet. So it’s a big ‘if’. Whilst I agree with the majority of this (apart from Leaburn signing an extension which I don’t think will happen)I am still at loss to understand why they didn’t go for it more budget wise in the summer as surely they will not get a decent return on their investment until we go up through the leagues….In reality did we really spend that much more in the summer other than what the monies brought in from the CBT and Alfie sales…🤔🤔 |
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Post by se7sm on Nov 6, 2024 16:19:54 GMT
So you’re asking why doesn’t every owner throw money at their club effectively? I think our owners have been very clear that this has never been their plan. Either deal with that or not. It’s not going to change their approach either way. They have confirmed they are working on a new contract with Leaburn and this extension allows them to take time on that. I’m still of the opinion he will sign an extension with a sizeable min fee release, but we shall see. Comparing our owners or any owners in league 1 to Birmingham’s is pointless. They are an exception, not the rule. The rest of us can’t compete with their levels of spend. Quite frankly, I’m perfectly fine with that. If we had 4-5 clubs doing that in league 1 it would be horrendous and unsustainable for 3 or more of them. Edit: I’ll caveat my Leaburn comment as I think Leaburn will want to see progress this year in order for the above to happen. We would need to be automatic contenders next year. I don’t think we’ve seen much progress yet. So it’s a big ‘if’. Whilst I agree with the majority of this (apart from Leaburn signing an extension which I don’t think will happen)I am still at loss to understand why they didn’t go for it more budget wise in the summer as surely they will not get a decent return on their investment until we go up through the leagues….In reality did we really spend that much more in the summer other than what the monies brought in from the CBT and Alfie sales…🤔🤔 bit of an odd ball really some of the owners are billionaires others nowhere near and the plan is we’ve got to sell players to tick over .how on earth did they manage to talk anyone into chipping in for that with promotion looking a long way off and the dollars flying out ofThe window at speed |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 6, 2024 17:44:51 GMT
Whilst I agree with the majority of this (apart from Leaburn signing an extension which I don’t think will happen)I am still at loss to understand why they didn’t go for it more budget wise in the summer as surely they will not get a decent return on their investment until we go up through the leagues….In reality did we really spend that much more in the summer other than what the monies brought in from the CBT and Alfie sales…🤔🤔 bit of an odd ball really some of the owners are billionaires others nowhere near and the plan is we’ve got to sell players to tick over .how on earth did they manage to talk anyone into chipping in for that with promotion looking a long way off and the dollars flying out ofThe window at speed Well there are different scenarios for this, either…… The owners have been given advice that the budget provided was sufficient enough for us to mount a serious promotion challenge The owners are happy enough with just year on year improvement whilst improving the infrastructure within the club and sucking up the alleged 9 million a year running costs… The owners think they will do this at a slower pace and put a promotion chasing squad together after a few more transfer windows Or the owners have said this is the total budget, SMT just get on with it…… Who knows…..certainly not me, and as we havent heard from them we are all non the wiser….but it doesn’t make much sense to me the current situation though….. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Nov 6, 2024 18:29:12 GMT
Leaburn definitely seems to of added a bit of physicality to his game. At 6ft 5 he should be a handful on the end of crosses and Godden also looks sharp in the 18 yard box. It still baffles me why we won’t even try a standard 4-4-2! With a fully fit squad something like: Mansion Ramsey Mitchell Jones Edwards TC Taylor Coventry Small Leaburn Godden Looks sharp to me. I think the reason we wouldn’t put this side out Tom is down to the possibility that we might well get overloaded in the middle of the park….One of the reasons Jones changed from 3-5-2 was because we were losing the middle of the park having only three in there…hence he changed this to add the additional body in there…..You are advocating a midfield basically of Taylor and Coventry as TC and Small wouldn’t be doing too much tracking and tackling so as much as it looks a very positive looking side offensively I think we might struggle to see enough of the ball to use all of those attacking players…..Just my opinion for what’s it worth…… I suppose football has moved on but I don’t see why a midfield 4 has to be a certain shape to not get overrun. Small, Taylor, Coventry and TC all work hard and all get stuck in. A narrow midfield is so static and offers absolutely nothing going forward. I’d love to see crosses from the byline with an actual target in the box. Any which way I think Leaburn has to start from now onwards. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 7, 2024 0:18:05 GMT
During the summer it was all about theory, reputations and building for a challenge. Well, we've watched nine games of 5-3-2 and now a few with four at the back. The owners and SMT have watched these same games and have repeatedly stated that they wish to evolve the club AND head towards the Championship. Let's hope that it's clear to them that we require far more flair and creativity in midfield. Most of our regular matchday 18 are under contract for next season, aside from Jones, A. Campbell and Aneke. And according to the CEO, revenues up up around £3M, or 30%. Put another way, nowhere was it stated that the "ambition" was to tread water in League One! So we need to see the squad improved. As ever the squad and management need to deliver on the training ground, but I'd be very surprised if we don't look for talent in January, even if it's EPL loans. CAFC needs a better product to keep growing attendances and sponsorship, plus we need to stay in with a shout of the top six. Anything else would be seen as a failure this season, so now is the time to address precisely how we can climb the table. And whilst most of us do not wish to see a blank chequebook handed to the management, we are also aware that these additional revenues and/or owner equity could be used to assist the journey. Having replaced the 2022 squad, how much would it really cost so as to compete? A couple of things here, Jones has stated previously he definitely doesn’t want to take EPL kids on loan as he would rather coach our own kids rather than other clubs kids…..Also at the beginning of the season I would definitely have agreed with you about the need for more creativity in the middle of the park but as our game plan is akin to John Becks was at Cambridge and Harry Basset was at Wimbledon with the constant 60 yard long field diagonal bombs and getting the ball in the mixer as soon as possible I think any creative players would have neck ache watching the ball fly over their heads…..We would be better off trying to add someone like Nicola Zigic who is surplus at Birmingham now and built like a night club bouncer so would suit our style better…..👍 Sure as I've conflated more creative, attractive football with improved results, which obviously isn't always the case. I've always subscribed to the view that we should aim to improve every window, AND that every few years there emerges an opportunity to really push on when the management, squad and club is in a good place. We're fast approaching the 2nd anniversary of SE7 Partners first taking over the reins at our club, albeit for just a few weeks. And they moved on a fair few players in January 2023. It's in all our interests that 2025 sees a tangible improvement in performances and results. Even if there's an increase in costs. |
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