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Post by midlandsaddick on Aug 13, 2024 20:58:12 GMT
Christ. It's the cup mate and we weren't miles off them in the end. Saturday is much more important. Sorry mate, I must have watched a different game to you, they didn’t really have to get out of first gear to beat us…..they had far better technical players, their press was far superior to us, Their passing and movement off the ball a different league to us…and they changed 8 from their first eleven from Saturday……..The only positives I can take is that is that we stayed in the game so long and the wake up call this would have been for NJ…… I agree they were the better side, but think first half we should've been 1-2 goals up. Second half poor but I'm not fussed with the cup personally. Let's see how we get on Saturday and not write us off too early. |
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Post by clarky on Aug 13, 2024 20:58:51 GMT
Really didn't look like two teams in the same league and worrying how far behind Birmingham we are in terms of quality.
Easy to see why Edwards played on Saturday and not Small. Not sure what positives there are to take from that performance as we can't cross a ball, we can't shoot from long ranga and there wasn't one player who had the confidence or skill to actually run at a player and beat a man. One shoot on target and that was from a piss poor penalty.
The strike force is particularly worrying me the most though. Campbell is neither a striker or good enough. Kanu a squad player at best and should go out on loan. Leaburn and Godden both injured, Aneke likely to get injured and I fully expect Ahadme to get injured during the season as well.
I know we need to shift out players before others come in but our lack of recent activity in the transfer market is just exposing our weaknesses in our starting 11.
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Post by manikin on Aug 13, 2024 20:58:53 GMT
Ever player under the age of twenty that played tonight need to go on loan to division two or lower.
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Post by wellingaddick on Aug 13, 2024 21:00:14 GMT
I think Saturday's team selection wil be very interesting. Will NJ learn the obvious lessons from tonight.
I simply can't believe that Anderson is a better bet than Berry or for that matter Fraser.
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Post by wiggyatthebackpost on Aug 13, 2024 21:01:49 GMT
Aneke when he come on looks to scared to run.Incase he pulls something, we simple can't rely on him.
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Post by dartford36 on Aug 13, 2024 21:02:14 GMT
What struck me was our poor pass accuracy - far too many hacks from defence for forwards to chase rather than ball to feet. And when it is played to feet ball control leaves a lot to be desired.
Felt for the front two (Campbell and Kanu) - had little opportunity, fed scraps and couldn’t trouble their defence often enough. Campbell never looked confident taking the penalty. Spent too much time adjusting his codpiece before taking the kick.
Disappointing game and somewhat worrying too. For me there needs to be a big improvement before this team can be considered as contenders for promotion.
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 13, 2024 21:03:00 GMT
First half was us second half was Birmingham but missed pen by Campbell and 25 thunder bolt the difference between the sides ,, for a team that spent 10 mill plus not impressed .. for us Coventry was MOM but Anderson and Kanu need loans and people wanting Small in the team better watch his performance tonight .. … word for Zac Mitchell he looked like he been playing for years ..…
It was clear that Campbell did not want to take the pen he kept looking to see if someone else wanted it
Ref had a shocker only took the fans 13 mins to start singing your not fit to referee
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Post by eric on Aug 13, 2024 21:03:21 GMT
Awful performance . The new pitch certainly hasn’t improved the standard of football . Some shocking performances , especially Small and Edun . Thank god we still have over 2 weeks to get some quality in .
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 13, 2024 21:04:32 GMT
Aneke when he come on looks to scared to run.Incase he pulls something, we simple can't rely on him. I noticed that too. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 13, 2024 21:06:28 GMT
First half was us second half was Birmingham but missed pen by Campbell and 25 thunder bolt the difference between the sides ,, for a team that spent 10 mill plus not impressed .. for us Coventry was MOM but Anderson and Kanu need loans and people wanting Small in the team better watch his performance tonight .. … word for Zac Mitchell he looked like he been playing for years ..… It was clear that Campbell did not want to take the pen he kept looking to see if someone else wanted it Ref had a shocker only took the fans 13 mins to start singing your not fit to referee Campbell had one thing to do all night and he made Simon Church look like Peter Lorimer! If tonight doesn't prove to NJ that he isn't a striker, nothing will. It did to everyone else. |
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Post by petetongthereturn on Aug 13, 2024 21:07:52 GMT
Birmingham’s scout report when we played Wigan. ‘Not much threat up top’
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 13, 2024 21:08:22 GMT
I think Saturday's team selection wil be very interesting. Will NJ learn the obvious lessons from tonight. I simply can't believe that Anderson is a better bet than Berry or for that matter Fraser. Absolutely. Fraser is better going forward than both Anderson and Berry yet he's on his way out! |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 13, 2024 21:11:46 GMT
Ever player under the age of twenty that played tonight need to go on loan to division two or lower. 100% this. Said for a while now that they are light years away from previous academy products we have produced. They are in the side to be showcased, nothing else. I do wonder who's decision it is that they are involved as much as they are. I was told over the weekend we are reluctant to bring in players that would block their path. All I can say to that it's going to be a very long path and btter players than they are need to be brought to the football club. |
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Post by petetongthereturn on Aug 13, 2024 21:12:52 GMT
I actually thought berry done ok anyway..
MANNION; 6 wasn’t really tested one goal will beat us.
R.E.G: 6
JONES: 6
GILLESPHEY: 5
WATSON: 5
COVENTRY: 6
BERRY: 5.5
ANDERSON: 4
SMALL: 3.5
KANU: 3
CAMPBELL:5
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Post by LoyalAddick on Aug 13, 2024 21:22:36 GMT
Many on X saying lets concentrate on the league and get out of league one. What I will say to them if relying on the likes of Campbell & Kanu to fire us in to the top 6 and to get out of league one you've got another thing coming.
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Post by clarky on Aug 13, 2024 21:25:35 GMT
I think Saturday's team selection wil be very interesting. Will NJ learn the obvious lessons from tonight. I simply can't believe that Anderson is a better bet than Berry or for that matter Fraser. Absolutely. Fraser is better going forward than both Anderson and Berry yet he's on his way out! Have to agree with this, although I am not a fan of Fraser we are missing that type of player.and he is currently the best we have in that role. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 13, 2024 21:26:04 GMT
Many on X saying lets concentrate on the league and get out of league one. What I will say to them if relying on the likes of Campbell & Kanu to fire us in to the top 6 and to get out of league one you've got another thing coming. Did they say in which year? |
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 13, 2024 21:38:09 GMT
Another hard watch The creativity in this team is non existence. We need players who have a bit of quality on the ball. Can’t see where the goals or chances will come with the players we’ve got. On a positive we look a lot more solid at the back Its a big concern for me. We might not concede loads this year but we need to be able to create chances! If our wingbacks aren’t getting forward then we have zero threat. Absolutely nothing through the middle. I’m not sure what Nathan sees in Anderson |
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Post by steve2707 on Aug 13, 2024 21:47:27 GMT
My biggest take on tonight.
I hope those clamouring for Edwards to be dropped, and playing Small as wing back, have crawled back under their stones, and never come out again...
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 13, 2024 21:51:24 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 13, 2024 21:53:37 GMT
My biggest take on tonight. I hope those clamouring for Edwards to be dropped, and playing Small as wing back, have crawled back under their stones, and never come out again... Gladstone Small would have had more chance of sticking his neck out tonight and making something happenfor us than Thierry did!. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 13, 2024 22:11:41 GMT
Oh dear NJ can't believe that surely? Why not just come out and say we are short in certain areas. We were miles off them and I don't think NJ insulting people's intelligence is helpful. He said in another interview we are tring to convert TC from a winger to a striker. I suggest to do that they take small steps and any converting that needs to be done should be turning him into a half decent player from a very average one. |
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Post by pardew123 on Aug 13, 2024 22:14:45 GMT
In fairness to Jones it wasn’t our first 11 was it the penalty goes in it’s a different game fine margins the lad scores a worldie.
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Post by LoyalAddick on Aug 13, 2024 22:15:04 GMT
Not sure what game NJ was watching we was awful end of.
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Post by Mundell on Aug 13, 2024 22:46:59 GMT
Just got back home. Disappointed. After a bright start I felt we were deservedly beaten by a better side. Nathan Jones appears to have seen it differently.
On one level, he’s got to be positive and is always likely to sugar coat his assessment, at least in public. However, on another level I suspect what Jones is saying reflects how he wants us to play. Birmingham were clearly much the better footballing side tonight, but I’m not sure Jones cares about that or that they had 63% possession, twice as many accurate passes and almost twice as many passes in our half as we did in theirs.
For all their dominance Birmingham won the game with a worldy while we missed a penalty and a couple of half chances during the first twenty minutes or so when our aggressive high press had them a bit rattled. I assume Jones is saying this is a game we could have won even if in some respects Birmingham were clearly the “better side”.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying I agree with Jones. I’m just trying to understand his perspective. He’s going to have us playing very crude, regressive football. The default passing option tonight was to go long, either down the middle to strikers who were never going to win the ball in the air or into the channels for a willing runner.
It’s not going to be pretty and we’re going to struggle to score goals, but it’s not a gimme it won’t get us over the line against less accomplished sides.
It’s possible Jones will conclude he needs better players, but I’m not confident that’s how he’ll see it. I suspect he’ll want more of the same, but with fewer mistakes and a bit more composure. In any event, I’m not convinced more of the same recruitment wise will help that much. At least so far, I’ve not been that impressed by what I’ve seen of this summer’s hires. As for Premier League loans, I can’t see how a switched on loans manager at an EPL club would see us as an attractive option given our style of play.
For me at least Jones has still got something to prove. I hope he succeeds in doing so.
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Post by paulgdownunder on Aug 13, 2024 23:32:46 GMT
Agree 100% with your last paragraph
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Post by grapevine49 on Aug 14, 2024 3:37:54 GMT
I am sorry ladies & gentlemen I share the frustration but we are not going to see wholesale additions/ changes to the squad at this stage. You don’t spend 5 months developing a template to rip it up after the first 2, 3 or 4 stumbles. I have listed the senior players Jones has available. There is little wrong with the recruitment made. It is with the recruitment not made. With Godden unavailable and with only 14 fully functioning seniors (Aneke is not) there is no room for any passengers. Yet in game 2 with a high energy style midfield you can’t start Taylor or Edun? If they can’t compete for a shirt now they have no business in the building.
With the level of intensity of the Jones modus operandi, particularly after the first full 90 minutes of the season for most on Saturday and 14 hrs of coach travel, the legs were not at their best when they needed to be. Kanu was horribly off the pace, Campbell remains an experiment, Anderson's energy was negated by the quality of opposition, while Small looked every inch a 19yr old. In essence 40% of the outfield was under cooked. Very disappointing it was not a disaster. It was a 1-0 defeat against a very decent side who scored through a bit of a worldy
Ramsay, Edwards were badly missed. Sorry with this squad the margins are going to be that fine. Yet we are going to get precisely nowhere panicking after one defeat. With respect Scott Fraser 2023/24 is not the answer and there has been no evidence he has the motivation to be the player he could be. Indeed his contract and indeed that of Aneke hang heavy on this squad.
No criticism intended but if you don’t have the stomach for this journey you are probably best served doing something else. There will be more of this. Each week opposing coaches and players will set 30-40% of the team different & new challenges. It places greater strain on the grown ups. Everybody including us is likely going to have to go with the pain of working through them.
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Post by manikin on Aug 14, 2024 7:09:43 GMT
Many on X saying lets concentrate on the league and get out of league one. What I will say to them if relying on the likes of Campbell & Kanu to fire us in to the top 6 and to get out of league one you've got another thing coming. Looking at last night's game it became apparent that six or seven of the squad are not league one standard let alone promotion material. |
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Post by cafcginge on Aug 14, 2024 8:27:02 GMT
I really wouldn’t panic about last night. Yes there were one or two dissapointing things but overall it only told us what we already knew before the game. If we win on Saturday all will be forgotten. As for some of the half arsed performances, I feel that players had one eye on trying to not get injured as the league is the focus. The only player who should’ve been better is small especially if he wants a stake in the first xi which he did not do last night. But I can hardly imagine in the meetings about the goals this season them banging on about the caraboa cup too much so overall it don’t bother me last night. Bit of a non game for me. Even the stutter and silence after Terry asked NJ whether it’s a positive we went out so there’s less games said enough for me. NJ just isn’t allowed to admit it and has to treat the game with respect
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 14, 2024 10:06:37 GMT
I really wouldn’t panic about last night. Yes there were one or two dissapointing things but overall it only told us what we already knew before the game. If we win on Saturday all will be forgotten. As for some of the half arsed performances, I feel that players had one eye on trying to not get injured as the league is the focus. The only player who should’ve been better is small especially if he wants a stake in the first xi which he did not do last night. But I can hardly imagine in the meetings about the goals this season them banging on about the caraboa cup too much so overall it don’t bother me last night. Bit of a non game for me. Even the stutter and silence after Terry asked NJ whether it’s a positive we went out so there’s less games said enough for me. NJ just isn’t allowed to admit it and has to treat the game with respect Did Terry ask NJ about the Taylor situation and any more news on incomings…… |
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