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Post by chertseyaddick on Jan 3, 2024 16:34:34 GMT
I thought Holden was set on 3-5-2 from off. We played pre-season that way. We only had one defender each side. Wing back, full back? How were they recruited? Can't imagine Edun ever being button-holed as a solid FB.
Purrington only 8 games for Ross County. Proper defender. Cheap.
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Post by leedsaddick on Jan 3, 2024 16:40:35 GMT
One of the reasons that reportedly got Holden sacked was playing 3-5-2 (pairing May with young Kanu) in his final two games when instructed by the SMT to play 4-3-3 (or 4-5-1). Who knows what would've happened had he been given more time to pursue that formation once Aneke, Leaburn and Tedic became available? Admittedly it doesn't solve the problem of where you play CBT in that formation, a clear square peg in a round hole..... My sense is that there’s definitely something in what you say newyorkaddick but I think there might be an important nuance in what you’ve said which is worth highlighting. I don’t believe that Holden was sacked for playing 3-5-2 per se, but rather he lost the confidence of Andy Scott and others because having agreed to recruit for a 4-3-3 system he suddenly decided to adopt a 3-5-2 set up despite not having the wing backs needed to play it and the Blackett Taylor conundrum it created. As I’ve remarked previously, the objective of having a Technical Director is not to tell the Head Coach what to do. Instead, the idea is that the two work in partnership with each specialising in their own area of direct responsibility. When that partnership breaks down for one reason or another the Head Coach is likely to be the one to go. If this is indeed the high level picture then it begins to expose some of what’s gone wrong. We all agree that our recruitment hasn’t been good enough based on the match effectiveness of the individual players signed, but arguably the bigger problem is that we’ve failed to build a squad with a coherent game plan or shape in mind. Just a few examples. First, for all the noise about Alfie May being played on the right of the front three (as a nominal 7), the fact is he’s not a 9. A Lyle Taylor type (not that I’d want him anywhere near the club) would suit the system much better. Entirely counterintuitively, the signing of May might well have been an error and where it all began to go wrong for Holden. Second, again counterintuitively, while Blackett Taylor is our most dangerous player he doesn’t fit the system either and his heat map shows just how much space he leaves behind him. It’s a real paradox that these two “misfits” are two of our best players and obviously undroppable. Third, playing with a pivot (rather than a flat middle three), which suits George Dobson given his limitations going forward, also has profound implications given the personnel available (including Dobson) and helps to explain much of our vulnerability defensively and lack of creativity offensively. Two or three quality additions in the front six might completely transform it, even if we lost some of the players currently seen as our most effective. Scott and Appleton need to be brave in this window. It’s not just about recruiting warm bodies who the club’s fans have heard of. Much more importantly, it’s about signing players who will improve the structure of the First XI and get the best out of our “support players” who will play around them. That’s not going to be easy. Your last paragraph sums things up for me... its about getting players who can fit and compliment a system to deliver a team performance... finding them is hard enough, then there's the question of integration and Coach who can motivate, develop and get the best out of them. I dont envy them in their job either |
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Post by sittingbourne11 on Jan 3, 2024 17:29:09 GMT
Lennie Lawrence is now caretaker manager of Hartlepool any chance Curbs coming back to Charlton.
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Post by jonkool on Jan 3, 2024 18:27:15 GMT
My sense is that there’s definitely something in what you say newyorkaddick but I think there might be an important nuance in what you’ve said which is worth highlighting. I don’t believe that Holden was sacked for playing 3-5-2 per se, but rather he lost the confidence of Andy Scott and others because having agreed to recruit for a 4-3-3 system he suddenly decided to adopt a 3-5-2 set up despite not having the wing backs needed to play it and the Blackett Taylor conundrum it created. As I’ve remarked previously, the objective of having a Technical Director is not to tell the Head Coach what to do. Instead, the idea is that the two work in partnership with each specialising in their own area of direct responsibility. When that partnership breaks down for one reason or another the Head Coach is likely to be the one to go. If this is indeed the high level picture then it begins to expose some of what’s gone wrong. We all agree that our recruitment hasn’t been good enough based on the match effectiveness of the individual players signed, but arguably the bigger problem is that we’ve failed to build a squad with a coherent game plan or shape in mind. Just a few examples. First, for all the noise about Alfie May being played on the right of the front three (as a nominal 7), the fact is he’s not a 9. A Lyle Taylor type (not that I’d want him anywhere near the club) would suit the system much better. Entirely counterintuitively, the signing of May might well have been an error and where it all began to go wrong for Holden. Second, again counterintuitively, while Blackett Taylor is our most dangerous player he doesn’t fit the system either and his heat map shows just how much space he leaves behind him. It’s a real paradox that these two “misfits” are two of our best players and obviously undroppable. Third, playing with a pivot (rather than a flat middle three), which suits George Dobson given his limitations going forward, also has profound implications given the personnel available (including Dobson) and helps to explain much of our vulnerability defensively and lack of creativity offensively. Two or three quality additions in the front six might completely transform it, even if we lost some of the players currently seen as our most effective. Scott and Appleton need to be brave in this window. It’s not just about recruiting warm bodies who the club’s fans have heard of. Much more importantly, it’s about signing players who will improve the structure of the First XI and get the best out of our “support players” who will play around them. That’s not going to be easy. Your last paragraph sums things up for me... its about getting players who can fit and compliment a system to deliver a team performance... finding them is hard enough, then there's the question of integration and Coach who can motivate, develop and get the best out of them. I dont envy them in their job either Interesting! Man U have had their fair share of managers each having his own style of play and team formations to match. This brings with it that player recruitment is all over the place … players brought in by a gaffer rising to play a patient passing game are going to be worse than useless by a new manager looking to play a high press heavy metal style. Ajax insist that every team through the younger youth teams on to Academy teams and ending with the first team play the same style and formation. If they move in the head coach his successor will be instructed to play in the same style … the Ajax way. I hoped Scott would offer sone consistency on this but at present we still have too many square pegs and round holes. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 3, 2024 18:28:47 GMT
Lennie Lawrence is now caretaker manager of Hartlepool any chance Curbs coming back to Charlton. My best guess is that Curbishley has earned more than five times what Appleton or Scott are earning at every job he's has since he left us. Why would he come back now and answer to Andy Scott? |
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Post by manikin on Jan 4, 2024 12:05:56 GMT
Got a feeling we're stuck with Appleton till the end of the season.
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Post by clarky on Jan 4, 2024 13:32:49 GMT
Got a feeling we're stuck with Appleton till the end of the season. Whilst I would like him gone with immediate effect, l am interested to see how the transfer window pans out. At the moment I think we are in danger of being relegated but 3 quality signings with a couple of injured players returning should be enough whoever the manager is, and we build on that. If this proves to be another poor window then I think whoever appointed Scott should go along with Scott and Appleton and we start again in the Summer. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 4, 2024 14:19:21 GMT
Got a feeling we're stuck with Appleton till the end of the season. Whilst I would like him gone with immediate effect, l am interested to see how the transfer window pans out. At the moment I think we are in danger of being relegated but 3 quality signings with a couple of injured players returning should be enough whoever the manager is, and we build on that. If this proves to be another poor window then I think whoever appointed Scott should go along with Scott and Appleton and we start again in the Summer. If it's a poor window they should both go before the end of March so that replacements can identified and brought in with the time necessary to plan for the summer transfer window. If not I can't see the club convincing a lot of fans to buy season tickets and on the bases that many have missed some games this season it's likely that going match by match will have been cheaper in 2023-24 and would be again in 2024-25. Being a fan doesn't stop us caring but it is likely to tempt more and more to care from a distance, and to save money in the process. The biggest worry about this is that once people go match by match, certainly if they get used to watching the games on TV, they are less and less likely to, ever, buy a season ticket again. This transfer window could have massive repercussions for the club for a decade. |
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Post by somerton on Jan 4, 2024 14:59:50 GMT
The transfer window would seem to depend less on what Appleton would want and what he will be given. I do not see this lot spending much money on transfers.
Always happy to be proved wrong.
But it seems they have not done any preliminary work on getting new players in. You can agree deals before the window opens and then get the player in straight away. It just takes money.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 4, 2024 15:07:01 GMT
The transfer window would seem to depend less on what Appleton would want and what he will be given. I do not see this lot spending much money on transfers. Always happy to be proved wrong. But it seems they have not done any preliminary work on getting new players in. You can agree deals before the window opens and then get the player in straight away. It just takes money. The truth is that if a club agrees to the first 'offer' then it pays over the odds. The transfer fee might be agreed but the player and agent are going to ask for the earth. It's only as the window starts to close that deals are agreed. |
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Post by manikin on Jan 4, 2024 16:23:31 GMT
Got a feeling we're stuck with Appleton till the end of the season. Whilst I would like him gone with immediate effect, l am interested to see how the transfer window pans out. At the moment I think we are in danger of being relegated but 3 quality signings with a couple of injured players returning should be enough whoever the manager is, and we build on that. If this proves to be another poor window then I think whoever appointed Scott should go along with Scott and Appleton and we start again in the Summer. If this proves to be a poor window we will be starting next season in league 2. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 4, 2024 17:00:02 GMT
The transfer window would seem to depend less on what Appleton would want and what he will be given. I do not see this lot spending much money on transfers. Always happy to be proved wrong. But it seems they have not done any preliminary work on getting new players in. You can agree deals before the window opens and then get the player in straight away. It just takes money. Like any owner, SE7 Partners will only be here for as long as the fanbase tolerates them. I always find it interesting that their little transfer titbits start leaking out at around this time in a window. Charlie must have hit the phones in the last 48 hours. I hope everyone on ITTV judges Methven and Co on what they actually deliver in January, not on what they tell people they would like to deliver. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 4, 2024 20:30:10 GMT
The transfer window would seem to depend less on what Appleton would want and what he will be given. I do not see this lot spending much money on transfers. Always happy to be proved wrong. But it seems they have not done any preliminary work on getting new players in. You can agree deals before the window opens and then get the player in straight away. It just takes money. Like any owner, SE7 Partners will only be here for as long as the fanbase tolerates them. I always find it interesting that their little transfer titbits start leaking out at around this time in a window. Charlie must have hit the phones in the last 48 hours. I hope everyone on ITTV judges Methven and Co on what they actually deliver in January, not on what they tell people they would like to deliver. 100% Let's see what the team looks like in a few weeks time. Who can they land and which (currently) injured players are fit enough to make a contribution. |
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Post by redplanet on Jan 5, 2024 1:30:36 GMT
The transfer window would seem to depend less on what Appleton would want and what he will be given. I do not see this lot spending much money on transfers. Always happy to be proved wrong. But it seems they have not done any preliminary work on getting new players in. You can agree deals before the window opens and then get the player in straight away. It just takes money. Like any owner, SE7 Partners will only be here for as long as the fanbase tolerates them. I always find it interesting that their little transfer titbits start leaking out at around this time in a window. Charlie must have hit the phones in the last 48 hours. I hope everyone on ITTV judges Methven and Co on what they actually deliver in January, not on what they tell people they would like to deliver. Thanks, Mr. Gray. Great entertainment. This one though, I confess to a little head shake. Here's why: "I always find it interesting that their little transfer titbits start leaking out at around this time in a window."" at around this time in a window"? - It has just opened. When would you expect the transfer titbits to start? And "Always find it interesting"? - How long have they owned the club? Finally - "I hope everyone on ITTV judges Methven (sic) and Co on what they actually deliver in January, not on what they tell people they would like to deliver".Isn't that a normal expectation? Why wouldn't we all wait and see what actually happens before passing judgement? Personally, I am comfortable with my own views on things and I don't feel the need to 'Rabble Rouse' or demean other supporters to bolster my agenda. But whatever floats your boat. It's fun to read. Cheers. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 5, 2024 9:24:39 GMT
Like any owner, SE7 Partners will only be here for as long as the fanbase tolerates them. I always find it interesting that their little transfer titbits start leaking out at around this time in a window. Charlie must have hit the phones in the last 48 hours. I hope everyone on ITTV judges Methven and Co on what they actually deliver in January, not on what they tell people they would like to deliver. Thanks, Mr. Gray. Great entertainment. This one though, I confess to a little head shake. Here's why: "I always find it interesting that their little transfer titbits start leaking out at around this time in a window."" at around this time in a window"? - It has just opened. When would you expect the transfer titbits to start? And "Always find it interesting"? - How long have they owned the club? Finally - "I hope everyone on ITTV judges Methven (sic) and Co on what they actually deliver in January, not on what they tell people they would like to deliver".Isn't that a normal expectation? Why wouldn't we all wait and see what actually happens before passing judgement? Personally, I am comfortable with my own views on things and I don't feel the need to 'Rabble Rouse' or demean other supporters to bolster my agenda. But whatever floats your boat. It's fun to read. Cheers. As are your excuses. You may be content wallowing mid table in the Third Tier. Others are not. And as has been pointed out many times, this is their third window , not their first. It’s coming to something when even their handful of forum devotees are contradicting Andy Scott on this fact. |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jan 5, 2024 10:45:16 GMT
Got a feeling we're stuck with Appleton till the end of the season. stuck with him and the existing squad !! |
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Post by watameires on Jan 5, 2024 19:24:55 GMT
Been away for a bit (appreciate the reinstatement Reams) but for the record - Appleton out!
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Post by melrose555 on Jan 5, 2024 20:13:25 GMT
Got a feeling we're stuck with Appleton till the end of the season. stuck with him and the existing squad !! 😕 |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 6, 2024 16:58:14 GMT
Get rid of Appleton asap
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Post by bigandy99 on Jan 6, 2024 17:04:29 GMT
Why don’t we seem to do any defensive work at training?..
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Post by 19addickted96 on Jan 6, 2024 17:07:58 GMT
100% needs to be gone!
A great opportunity to grill SMT on Wednesdays live Q&A
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Post by revilo on Jan 6, 2024 17:10:25 GMT
We know he won't be sacked because the board have backed him. I just can't be arsed to moan anymore.
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Post by eric on Jan 6, 2024 17:15:02 GMT
Just fucking go you useless cunt .
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Post by manikin on Jan 6, 2024 17:15:42 GMT
It don't matter how good the player's coming in are, we aren't going to achieve anything but possible relegation under Appleton.
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Post by gmantaxi on Jan 6, 2024 17:21:48 GMT
Take ya chavvy Stone island tops and fuck off !!!!
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Post by jakecafc on Jan 6, 2024 17:22:35 GMT
Get rid of this absolute fraud asap. Piss poor game management, shit tactics and the teams mentality under him is the worse I've seen.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 6, 2024 17:27:04 GMT
Just fucking go you useless cunt . He’s just not a very good coach or manager. He’s about as energising as a mug of Ovaltine. We are repeating the same defensive errors week in , week out. No half decent coach would be allowing this to happen. Really BASIC stuff, like not tracking your marker, or closing down your man from long range. With one obvious exception in the fanbase, he’s lost us. Just go !! |
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Post by herewegoagain on Jan 6, 2024 17:42:25 GMT
I wish he would just to the decent thing , hold his hands up and go because it simply isn’t working. The club won’t sack him as that would mean Scott having to admit he has messed up, they can’t blame this one on Sandgaard after all.
Maybe now is the time to start boycotting games in mass numbers in order to force the the message through to this static SMT/Ownership group that fans really have had enough of the ‘product’ they are serving up to us.
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Post by Bodiam on Jan 6, 2024 17:54:59 GMT
I wish he would just to the decent thing , hold his hands up and go because it simply isn’t working. The club won’t sack him as that would mean Scott having to admit he has messed up, they can’t blame this one on Sandgaard after all. Maybe now is the time to start boycotting games in mass numbers in order to force the the message through to this static SMT/Ownership group that fans really have had enough of the ‘product’ they are serving up to us. I think the boycotting of games in mass numbers is happening already, organically...... |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 6, 2024 18:44:56 GMT
Anyone watching Appleton’s post match interview with hopeless Terry Smith would have to conclude that he’s not under pressure.
His answers were complete rubbish, but he certainly doesn’t act or sound like a man worried about a pending visit to the Jobcentre .
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