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Post by 995632 on Dec 30, 2023 22:57:54 GMT
Just wanted to check in for my own peace of mind.... Am I the only Charlton fan that absolutely detests the idea of Lee Bowyer (or any other sentimental candidate) returning? New era, new vision. Put your money where your mouth is, and appoint Nathan Jones. There was too much negativity with Bowyer at the end, AND he jumped ship. Nathan Jones I would LOVE but there is no way he would come to a L1 club, let alone a mid table L1 club in the doldrums... Plus you'd get some people saying 'failed at Southampton' or 'Luton did better after he left' etc. Bit like some suggesting we should've gone for Wilder a few years ago, it would never happen! And you'll get the 'failure at such and such club. Only coming for a payday. Just a Yes man' etc etc etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2023 23:02:13 GMT
Just wanted to check in for my own peace of mind.... Am I the only Charlton fan that absolutely detests the idea of Lee Bowyer (or any other sentimental candidate) returning? New era, new vision. Put your money where your mouth is, and appoint Nathan Jones. There was too much negativity with Bowyer at the end, AND he jumped ship. Nathan Jones I would LOVE but there is no way he would come to a L1 club, let alone a mid table L1 club in the doldrums... Plus you'd get some people saying 'failed at Southampton' or 'Luton did better after he left' etc. Bit like some suggesting we should've gone for Wilder a few years ago, it would never happen! And you'll get the 'failure at such and such club. Only coming for a payday. Just a Yes man' etc etc etc. Fair points re Jones & Wilder, but Bowyer didn't tear up any trees. He scrapped promotion with arguably one of best squads League One has ever seen! I just don't get the cringe worthy obsession with ex Charlton people. |
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Post by 995632 on Dec 30, 2023 23:35:14 GMT
There was too much negativity with Bowyer at the end, AND he jumped ship. Nathan Jones I would LOVE but there is no way he would come to a L1 club, let alone a mid table L1 club in the doldrums... Plus you'd get some people saying 'failed at Southampton' or 'Luton did better after he left' etc. Bit like some suggesting we should've gone for Wilder a few years ago, it would never happen! And you'll get the 'failure at such and such club. Only coming for a payday. Just a Yes man' etc etc etc. Fair points re Jones & Wilder, but Bowyer didn't tear up any trees. He scrapped promotion with arguably one of best squads League One has ever seen! I just don't get the cringe worthy obsession with ex Charlton people. Agreed, these people left for one reason or another - even ones that people still feel weren't justified are affected by rose tinted spectacles. Powell WAS undermined by Roland, but the team wasn't really performing well and a lot of supporters had strong opinions about his tactics and playing style. Other players have had their legacy affected too; Mark Kinsella is one of our greatest ever players but was assistant manager to Parkinson and part of that consecutive no winning run which got us relegated so his legacy is partly tarnished by that. We want people at the club who want to here and do everything in their power to represent us with pride. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Dec 31, 2023 9:16:36 GMT
Just wanted to check in for my own peace of mind.... Am I the only Charlton fan that absolutely detests the idea of Lee Bowyer (or any other sentimental candidate) returning? New era, new vision. Put your money where your mouth is, and appoint Nathan Jones. That last sentence says it all for me. A sit up appointment that shows you're serious about trying to change course. I'd settle for Rowett though,not for some obviously,but I'm sure he'd have us more resolute and at least start to shed the soft touch mentality that is a deep rooted problem that stumped multiple managers? |
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Post by manikin on Dec 31, 2023 9:27:44 GMT
Just wanted to check in for my own peace of mind.... Am I the only Charlton fan that absolutely detests the idea of Lee Bowyer (or any other sentimental candidate) returning? New era, new vision. Put your money where your mouth is, and appoint Nathan Jones. That last sentence says it all for me. A sit up appointment that shows you're serious about trying to change course. I'd settle for Rowett though,not for some obviously,but I'm sure he'd have us more resolute and at least start to shed the soft touch mentality that is a deep rooted problem that stumped multiple managers? Although I feel Appleton has to go and the sooner the better, there's no point if we appoint someone of a similar ability. The two mentioned above sound fine but how is someone of their ability persuaded to join. Money obviously talks but an incoming manager would have to be persuaded that the owners have true ambition for the club, that might be difficult. |
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Post by newyorkaddick on Dec 31, 2023 10:36:01 GMT
Someone like Rowett would be too set in their ways to operate within our current structure which supposedly segregates training/matchday from transfers, contracts, scouting etc..
Hence why I was really hoping the club would take a chance on an ambitious young coach who hasn't yet earned the right to demand responsibility for both of the above (or perhaps has no desire to have control of the latter).
Instead we ended up with the worst of both worlds...a busted flush with no special talent for the former and probably uncomfortable not controlling the latter (despite comments to the contrary).
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Post by revilo on Dec 31, 2023 10:41:58 GMT
After thinking about it for a while, I think it's in the our best interests to keep Appleton until after the transfer window. If we were going to sack him, it should've happened by now. It wouldn't make sense hiring a new manager unless they have a say on who we're signing, which is too late now. This doesn't mean I want Appleton to remain in charge, but logical to keep him...for now.
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Post by manikin on Dec 31, 2023 11:24:45 GMT
After thinking about it for a while, I think it's in the our best interests to keep Appleton until after the transfer window. If we were going to sack him, it should've happened by now. It wouldn't make sense hiring a new manager unless they have a say on who we're signing, which is too late now. This doesn't mean I want Appleton to remain in charge, but logical to keep him...for now. Any change has to be a definite improvement and I can't see that happening overnight and as you say a new manager should have a say in new signings and it's getting a bit late for that. When it does happen they've got to get it right, we've been going backwards for years. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 31, 2023 11:26:57 GMT
Anyone who hasn’t yet seen it should take a look at Bristol Rovers winning goal on Friday.
You won’t see a worse goal conceded in professional football.
A simple through ball into our box - unchallenged
A ball across our box - unchallenged
A tap in - unchallenged.
What’s even worse, you can see every member of our back 4 on the screen during the goal - either jogging back lazily , or doing nothing.
Is that down to Appleton, or is that just that our players are crap ?
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Post by newyorkaddick on Dec 31, 2023 11:32:55 GMT
Anyone who hasn’t yet seen it should take a look at Bristol Rovers winning goal on Friday. You won’t see a worse goal conceded in professional football. A simple through ball into our box - unchallenged A ball across our box - unchallenged A tap in - unchallenged. What’s even worse, you can see every member of our back 4 on the screen during the goal - either jogging back lazily , or doing nothing. Is that down to Appleton, or is that just that our players are crap ? It must be a combination of both but game management is definitely coachable, which would include both recognising the threat from a quickly taken FK (take a booking if required) and their decision not to keep the ball by the corner flag against Burton giving them more time to find a late equaliser. Do they not discuss these things in team meetings? |
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Post by sittingbourne11 on Dec 31, 2023 12:02:35 GMT
Is Jones still being paid by Southampton a lot of teams that sack managers still pay their wages until they get another job. I can’t see Charlton being able to pay up his contract if this is the case.
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Post by leedsaddick on Dec 31, 2023 13:12:06 GMT
After thinking about it for a while, I think it's in the our best interests to keep Appleton until after the transfer window. If we were going to sack him, it should've happened by now. It wouldn't make sense hiring a new manager unless they have a say on who we're signing, which is too late now. This doesn't mean I want Appleton to remain in charge, but logical to keep him...for now. This time last year, Leeds United allowed Jesse Marsch to spend big in the Jan transfer window…. Then fired him, bought in Sam Allardyce, and got relegated…..I agree with your logic… we have to stop the merry go round… if we change, do this at the end of the season |
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jan 1, 2024 9:48:12 GMT
Apart from Nathan Jones I haven't seen one suggestion that gets me excited. And we don't even know if he would want the job. So we need to give MA until the end of the season with a window to call his own imo.
If not I would give the job to Pearce until the end of the season and I suspect that we wouldn't see goals like that BR winner happening again. Yes, love to see a high quality manager coming in and pulling the club up by its bootstraps, but not holding my breath.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 1, 2024 10:50:01 GMT
Apart from Nathan Jones I haven't seen one suggestion that gets me excited. And we don't even know if he would want the job. So we need to give MA until the end of the season with a window to call his own imo. If not I would give the job to Pearce until the end of the season and I suspect that we wouldn't see goals like that BR winner happening again. Yes, love to see a high quality manager coming in and pulling the club up by its bootstraps, but not holding my breath. There’s a glaring dichotomy at the moment between Andy Scott, his personal ambitions and his role, and the need to recruit a quality manager with a decent CV. Until that is resolved - which will mean Scott’s removal - we will continue to recruit poor quality managers & struggle as a result. Andy Scott has got a bad case of Tall Poppy Syndrome. |
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Post by cafc1958 on Jan 1, 2024 11:17:21 GMT
Not a fan of changing management so frequently but how about Jason Euell and Pearce until the end of season. Just a thought…..
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Post by 995632 on Jan 1, 2024 15:32:53 GMT
Not a fan of changing management so frequently but how about Jason Euell and Pearce until the end of season. Just a thought….. Know Euell got the sack from Bristol City when Pearson left but don't think he'd consider coming back after how he was treated and left here. Also, why tarnish the reputation of Pearce (and Euell) by having him associated with these non trying, non caring wage thieves? |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 1, 2024 15:38:48 GMT
Not a fan of changing management so frequently but how about Jason Euell and Pearce until the end of season. Just a thought….. Know Euell got the sack from Bristol City when Pearson left but don't think he'd consider coming back after how he was treated and left here. Also, why tarnish the reputation of Pearce (and Euell) by having him associated with these non trying, non caring wage thieves? Indeed. Also Pearce is developing his skills for a long term career. If he is thrown in the deep end and then sacked after a few months he might never get back into the game. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jan 1, 2024 16:01:24 GMT
Not a fan of changing management so frequently but how about Jason Euell and Pearce until the end of season. Just a thought….. Don't think Pearce is ready to risk family stability for that.. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 1, 2024 16:56:31 GMT
Are there any fans forums or anything soon?
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Post by valley on Jan 1, 2024 17:06:44 GMT
He has too go.
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Post by tidyjensen on Jan 1, 2024 17:14:28 GMT
It's all well and good blaming Appleton and I agree he's not good enough but this board need to be called out, this team needs investment badly.
League Two here we come.
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Post by pardew123 on Jan 1, 2024 17:15:18 GMT
Apples or the SMT aren’t good enough
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Post by tidyjensen on Jan 1, 2024 17:15:59 GMT
6 points off the drop.
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Post by AndyAddick on Jan 1, 2024 17:19:34 GMT
Whole club needs a clear out , we’re no better than under the gas bag / RD , in fact we are worse !!
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Post by petetongthereturn on Jan 1, 2024 17:20:14 GMT
As the club is on the rocks time for desperate measures what I like to see not going to happen of course because it would be the right thing to do is get Allardyce in with Sammy Lee, get rid of the deadwood and players who do not want to be here. Get decent players in with cash, free transfers and loans.
Let Allardyce and Lee manage the players.
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Post by herewegoagain on Jan 1, 2024 17:25:29 GMT
He simply has to go, the longer we delay the further we fall. However, Scott is not fit to be in charge of hiring a replacement for Appleton otherwise we will end up with another one dimensional journeyman. Big changes needed in both the first team management and the SMT in order for us to start achieving again.
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Post by AndyAddick on Jan 1, 2024 17:26:02 GMT
As the club is on the rocks time for desperate measures what I like to see not going to happen of course because it would be the right thing to do is get Allardyce in with Sammy Lee, get rid of the deadwood and players who do not want to be here. Get decent players in with cash, free transfers and loans. Let Allardyce and Lee manage the players. lol !! Where’s the ££££ coming from ?!? |
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Post by tidyjensen on Jan 1, 2024 17:27:23 GMT
If they don't want to spend money, SELL THE CLUB!
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Post by tidyjensen on Jan 1, 2024 17:30:57 GMT
Appleton just let the Cat out the bag, 1 or 2 signings? That won't change sod all will it?
We were warned about Charlie Methven.
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Post by manikin on Jan 1, 2024 17:39:06 GMT
Appleton couldn't get us promoted with a squad of Premiership players. He hasn't got a clue!
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