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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 12, 2009 20:58:44 GMT
Apologies for the way in which your deleted thread was handled a few weeks ago, it was unfortunate and inappropiate on my part.
I hope this public apology will have you posting back on here in the near future.
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Post by reddyfreddy on Aug 12, 2009 21:42:40 GMT
Reams, I had noticed that optimist hadn't posted since your spate with him. It wasn't the way the (my) thread was deleted but probably his general exasperation with trying to make you grasp his point(s) that has likely caused his absence. You were pretty agressive and stroppy looking back.
He was one of the brighter and better posters on here so his absence has been quite conspicuous. So I for one would welcome him posting again.
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 12, 2009 21:53:27 GMT
Yes fair point I was a little bit dismissive of what he was trying to say and unfortunately it was on one of my argumentitive days.
Like you I would like to see him back on here, I know he looks in everyday so hopefully we can move on and he'll be back posting soon.
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Post by optimist on Aug 13, 2009 23:05:31 GMT
Reddy is spot on… and Cheers feller…  “I was a little bit dismissive”… Your doing it again Reams…. Read the thread again... You completely dismissed everything I said…. The last time I saw that many body swerves was when George Best put on an Addick shirt, and turned out at the Valley to play in Les Berry’s testimonial… Seriously Reams, If someone’s point/s and responses can’t be answered directly. Which is precisely what I got from you in all of that thread, you really should ask yourself….. Do I have an argument to continue with here? If you can at least see that now, please take it on board with all your posts… Don’t wish to come across as some teacher here, but it’s your site, and if you want to see it thrive, it may not be a bad idea? Anyway anyone who’s big enough to make a public apology is a top bloke in my book. So thanks for that! Regarding CAFC, Not sure I have much to say, that I haven’t said before, but hey that doesn’t stop anyone else from posting, does it? Feel flat as a pancake with my dear ole club at the moment, and this place has reflected my thoughts far better than the bulgier CL… Just look at the “T/O thread, over there…. Hundreds upon hundreds of post, which amount to nothing. At least here, we can get to nothing, in 2 and half posts… |
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Post by reddyfreddy on Aug 14, 2009 7:32:16 GMT
lol "At least here, we can get to nothing, in 2 and half posts… "unless Reams wishes to be "a little bit dismissive" then we could be challenging the CL t/o thread no probs! lol
Good to see you back optimist. Now keep 'em coming!
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Post by jonkool on Aug 14, 2009 7:40:11 GMT
Best thread for a good while - defo a case of alls well that ends well! Wellwhatabout the tak.......... ;-)
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 14, 2009 19:07:37 GMT
Great to see you back optimist, long may it continue.
Regarding the above I don't see it as my site, I created it for us all and Im very happy that I did and even happier with the traffic on here lately.
This site is a an independant website by the fans for the fans and it is yours as much as it is mine.
Regarding how I was towards you I cannot disagree with what you say but I am working on reading the whole thread of what people post rather than responding to the first line and that is what I did with you and that is why I have apologised.
Finally thanks for the kind words about me I was very humbled but at the end of the day you did deserve the apology and I am pleased that I made it to you on here.
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Post by valleyviper on Aug 14, 2009 19:12:56 GMT
Optimist have you entered Reams Comps, as I'm putting up 50% of the First Comp prize, feel It would give you great satisfaction to win, if you can win, as Reams is putting up the other fifty notes.
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Post by optimist on Aug 15, 2009 9:15:11 GMT
Thanks for the pointer VV… I’m really bad at keeping up with these things though…. Our family all enter into the Telegraph fantasy league, have done since it‘s started… 10am deadline day and I still haven’t done a team… Must get it done now…
Cheers Reams, I only meant “your site” in the sense of the work you’ve put into it all… Your baby, kind of thing, and in that case, you must want to “see it thrive”…
Jonkool, I think the first time I heard there could be a T/O is when Parky intimated something, in an interview around April…
I’ve read tons about it since, and still know nothing more than I did in then!
It’s unbelievable that nobody has even got a whiff of who the financial backer may be… I hope I’m wrong, but does anybody else feel that this supposed T/O has CHEAP written all over it…. After Zabeel that would be a massive let down for me…
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Post by reddyfreddy on Aug 15, 2009 10:28:30 GMT
Thanks for the pointer VV… I’m really bad at keeping up with these things though…. Our family all enter into the Telegraph fantasy league, have done since it‘s started… 10am deadline day and I still haven’t done a team… Must get it done now… Cheers Reams, I only meant “your site” in the sense of the work you’ve put into it all… Your baby, kind of thing, and in that case, you must want to “see it thrive”… Jonkool, I think the first time I heard there could be a T/O is when Parky intimated something, in an interview around April… I’ve read tons about it since, and still know nothing more than I did in then! It’s unbelievable that nobody has even got a whiff of who the financial backer may be… I hope I’m wrong, but does anybody else feel that this supposed T/O has CHEAP written all over it…. After Zabeel that would be a massive let down for me… Re the disappearing t/o I'd already posted elsewhere that in the event of such materialising that I expect to be completely underwhelmed. Few others also agreed with that. It's gone on too long for it to be anything other than cheap! I did suggest that another existing shareholder might very well seize the opportunity to acquire the majority ownership of the club in light of Murray saying that all friendly debts would be written-off. This to me has more sense if anything has sense at all. I still fail to comprehend the huge trading losses going forwards. Take away the loans then servicing other existing debts on a rescheduled basis .e.g. final payments for the West Stand currently at one million p.a. could easily be leveraged and amortized over twice or three times the current schedule. Wages - this being the largest millstone have reduced drastically So any potential buyer with the capability of underwriting let's say £2m - £3m p.a. over next year or two can be a serious contender. It ain't megabucks. I don't see Varney's supposed consortium as a serious proposition any longer so I wouldn't be surprised that it's coming from within the existing shareholder's ranks but supported by one or perhaps two new medium sized investors providing additional working capital. Hence lack of news etc etc because the group's too closely knit. Varney being the replacement for Waggott explaining his adversity to make any comments. With all this lottery money and government grants etc I'm surprised the Valley hasn't been sold to e.g. Greenwich Council with a leaseback at a "commercial rent". Whichever way this fiasco unfurls it'll be relatively seamless and uninspiring. Usual bollox is resumed! |
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Post by optimist on Aug 15, 2009 14:49:15 GMT
Yes I read that elsewhere, "completely underwhelmed", touched a nerve with me. T/O rumours can be exciting, I've seen it happen at other clubs, But where’s the excitement in this one? This one has all the signs of in house power struggle. Everything we actually do know, ie:- Murray pocketing the training ground, redundancies, higher wage earners leaving, not a whiff of the identity of possible backer/s, Just doesn’t bode well, so far.. Reddy, I would put my money on your scenario… “Medium sized investors providing additional working capital. Hence lack of news etc etc” … I’ve referred to it many times before, as us getting another bout of “musical chairs”… Similar to what we got when we got relegated to the C.C.C… A boardroom shuffle which ultimately leads to no real change! My only hope is I don’t believe there are that many millionaire mugs out there who want to see their millions go up in smoke, in a football club, as Murray & Co have.. I can only see the sense in a multi billionaire getting involved.. Someone with money to burn, it has to be the much maligned "plaything" for someone, where if things go wrong, it just doesn’t hurt them… Are we going to end up with more mugs then? .  |
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Post by reddyfreddy on Aug 15, 2009 22:16:36 GMT
"Are we going to end up with more mugs then?" How many multimillionaires support CAFC that wouldn't have already come forward or been known to the board before the current crisis?
They would have shown an interest by now.
I can't imagine there's any others out there that wouldn't be known.
Getting a billionaire being a Charlton person is unlikely, so someone coming in would only see CAFC as some kind of toy or entry to British life.
It's gonna be a cheap reshuffle and carry-on as though fuuuck- all has happened to the club
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Post by optimist on Aug 15, 2009 22:56:06 GMT
I don’t think it has to be Charlton supporting people though… Were Zabeel Charlton people?.. Notts County, Chelsea, Man City, etc, are any of these people getting involved with football clubs anywhere near being supporters? I doubt it…
I agree, It’s got to be taken on as an expensive game, a plaything, a kudos builder perhaps, but surely no sane business man goes into football to make money these days?
That point alone, gives me hope that an exciting T/O could be the outcome, but I have to admit the other scenario is looking favourite…
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Post by reddyfreddy on Aug 16, 2009 7:46:54 GMT
I don’t think it has to be Charlton supporting people though… Were Zabeel Charlton people?.. Notts County, Chelsea, Man City, etc, are any of these people getting involved with football clubs anywhere near being supporters? I doubt it… I agree, It’s got to be taken on as an expensive game, a plaything, a kudos builder perhaps, but surely no sane business man goes into football to make money these days? That point alone, gives me hope that an exciting T/O could be the outcome, but I have to admit the other scenario is looking favourite… What I'm alluding to is there's more than enough choice (of clubs seeking investment) for any impartial decision by someone with serious money. CAFC will be way down the list of clubs based on an initial assessment and decision...principally being in Div One. Even I know of a group who had we stayed in the Championship would have had a butcher's...but Div Uno is a big no-no! That's why I don't believe an outside source without some emotive affiliation to CAFC would entertain being involved. Being near the Dome and the Olympics bollox that was muted by our excuse of a CEO Waggott just don't cut it! As an example you could buy Sheffield Wednesday for less than £10m which is, as much as I hate to say it, surely far more attractive as a plaything than us. That's my case M'Lud for not giving the defendant parole back to the Championship until a suitable term of a minimum of two years has been served in the labour camp of Div One! Case adjourned until May 2010 for review of sentence. |
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Post by swordfish on Aug 16, 2009 15:12:07 GMT
'fao optimist' - Stop being so optimistic. That's my job!  Good to see you back chum. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2009 21:14:56 GMT
why was my comment deleted ?? child ;-) ??
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Post by optimist on Aug 16, 2009 23:22:57 GMT
'fao optimist' - Stop being so optimistic. That's my job! Good to see you back chum. Cheers Swordfish, Not sure I'm that optimistic about the club in general, these days?.. I started supporting this club back in the 70’s when we were in the 3rd Division, so it’s come full circle for me… Back then with youthful hope on my side, I always believed this club had potential, I still hold onto those expectations, but all these years later, there’s no stopping the reality… That reality, has left me with one certainty. This club has never failed by having too much money,… Optimist for a prosperous T/O … Yes that’s my big hope, and has been for years… Username “optimist” because of that... In other words, it’s short for, I live in bloody hope.... |
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Post by optimist on Aug 16, 2009 23:56:34 GMT
why was my comment deleted ?? child ;-) ?? Here’s a prime example why posts should never be deleted… An idiot, without any nice qualities, which this, and all his other poorly written posts confirm, and it's there for all to see... "Child"? .... How long did it take you to think that up? Many people would see it as having some integrity.... Not surprised that you came up with something well off the mark… |
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Post by reddyfreddy on Aug 17, 2009 7:50:33 GMT
why was my comment deleted ?? child ;-) ?? Here’s a prime example why posts should never be deleted… An idiot, without any nice qualities, which this, and all his other poorly written posts confirm, and it's there for all to see... "Child"? .... How long did it take you to think that up? Many people would see it as having some integrity.... Not surprised that you came up with something well off the mark… What's all this about?? Must have missed something. "An idiot, without any nice qualities, which this, and all his other poorly written posts confirm, and it's there for all to see..." Is this a comment from you optimist or are you quoting andyaddick. Not like andy to make that kind of comment. Bit confusing this  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2009 13:11:31 GMT
well readdy , im not quite sure why opo has got it in for me, ,, ?? must have upset his karma
thanks all the same op , never fail to impress me but in the same breath insult as well ,, lol it were only a joke me ol matey ! next time im down i'll get the beers in , and pour it down your trousers lol !
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Post by optimist on Aug 17, 2009 14:59:38 GMT
well readdy , im not quite sure why opo has got it in for me, ,, ?? must have upset his karma thanks all the same op , never fail to impress me but in the same breath insult as well ,, lol it were only a joke me ol matey ! next time im down i'll get the beers in , and pour it down your trousers lol ! "I was only joking, blah, blah, blah"... Have you ever taken the time, about 5 seconds should do it, to work out, that perhaps comedy isn't your thing? As I’ve already stated, threads will tell their own story, and in this case, we can all see who started the insults… |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2009 15:31:57 GMT
oh opo , have a day off me ol pedigree ,, or tell us whats da matter ? and dont say some one who makes mats ! lol see comedy  |
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Post by optimist on Aug 17, 2009 15:44:50 GMT
oh opo , have a day off me ol pedigree ,, or tell us whats da matter ? and dont say some one who makes mats ! lol see comedy I thought I just did. Can anyone translate the rest of the above drivel into English please? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2009 15:49:33 GMT
can you please please please tell me what is your issue with me ?
If your going to have a pop then please dont make it personal on the main board , like you just did, re translate into English comment ...
I believe you were contacted once in the past by Reams re your abuse and insulting emails and posts to me ?
Please dont start again , as i'll post every thing you send me for all to see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2009 15:59:33 GMT
Opo I think ive just twigged why you got the hump,,, I HAD A MESSAGE DELETED ON THIS THRED and posted "why was my comment deleted ?? child ;-) ?? " I was aiming the 'child' comment at Reams rather than going off into a sulk ,, sorry if the 'child' thing got your dander up , the abuse, insulting emails and posts to me still stands tho mate , happy days , one love |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 17, 2009 17:18:15 GMT
Andy your post was deleted for the calling somebody a child comment.
Whether it was me or optimist you were referring to this thread was an apology to optimist for deleting a post and also for not taking time out to see his point of view so the "child" comment was ill timed because the point of the post was to try and bring optimist back to the forum and I didn't think that comments like that would help the cause that's if you were referring to optimist for taking offence at the way I reacted..
If it was meant for me then fair enough but your comment again would have been ill timed an deleted because you were referring to how I had reacted to something where the water was already passing under the bridge.
I know you were only joking but as I say it was just not a good time. Im not pointing the finger here or taking sides, im more concerned with what it has turned into rather than what was said in the first place.
So can we leave this thread now please, because you are both important and appreciated members of the forum and I am sure that you would not want to something silly to portray it as something that it it isn't, so time to kiss and make up..
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Post by optimist on Aug 17, 2009 17:51:59 GMT
Well Andy, I apologise if that's the case. Yes I thought you were referring to me.. That I cried off this site because of the deleted thread....
Having said that Reams is spot on… Your timing was out of order, whoever it was directed at…
To answer your other point, You not being entirely truthful about the e-mails are you? ... You e-mailed me twice first.. I responded … This was after your public attempts of belittling somerton & myself.. Those old threads show how it kicked off, and ended ...
You have popped back since, with the odd snide comment .. Just calling it humour, doesn‘t wash. because the jokes are not that obvious…
Keep it civil, and you know I will, So your choice?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2009 18:42:30 GMT
accepted, and sorry for my bad timing. I'll try to be funny in a more obvious way
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2009 18:44:21 GMT
forgot my kiss xxxx :-)
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Post by optimist on Aug 17, 2009 19:19:22 GMT
I'll try to be funny in a more obvious way That was funny  |
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