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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 5, 2023 20:57:30 GMT
Because Jones apart, every single one of our central defenders can fuck right off now as far as Im concerned.
Hector, Ness and Elewere are crap and that's being kind.
I know they have only been here a short time but I am hugely critical of the naivety shown while assessing the heart of our defence. You don't need a technical director to work out how bad they are. As Keano would say...shocking!
I gave then Aaron Hayden's name as soon as they walked through the door and again last week. It got scoffed at because he plays for Wrexham and the majority of teams in the national league last season are pub teams apparantly but he's a level above our dobbers at the back! He's a CB who looks like scoring at every set-piece while our crock of shite can't even head the fecking ball.
Craig Cathcart is available on a free if the Udinese wonderkid isn't exactly Carlos Alberto.
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 5, 2023 21:01:10 GMT
We are screwed if he isn’t the next Rio Ferdinand
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 5, 2023 21:07:29 GMT
Because Jones apart every single one of our central defenders can fuck right off now as far as Im concerned. Hector, Ness and Elewere are crap and that's being kind. I know thet have been here a shirt time but I am hugely critical of the naivety shown in the heart of our defence. You don't need s technical director to work out how bad they are. As Keano would say...shocking! I gave then Aaron Hayden's name as soon as they walked through the door and again last week. It got scoffed at because he plays for Wrexham and the majority of teams in the national league last season are pub teams apparantly but he's a level about our dobbers! He's a CB who looks like scoring at every set-piece while our rock of shite can't even head the fecking ball. Craig Cathcart is available on a free if the Udinese wonderkid isn't exactly Carlos Alberto. 100% bang on the money Surely Scott could see what we needed in the window and has brought in kids when we need an experienced dominant CB This is gonna kill us this season as we simply can’t defend |
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Post by smudge7946 on Sept 5, 2023 21:36:09 GMT
Things could be better defensively.
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Post by clarky on Sept 5, 2023 22:21:58 GMT
Things could be better defensively. Things couldn't be any worse defensively. |
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Post by clarky on Sept 5, 2023 22:24:57 GMT
Because Jones apart every single one of our central defenders can fuck right off now as far as Im concerned. Hector, Ness and Elewere are crap and that's being kind. I know thet have been here a shirt time but I am hugely critical of the naivety shown in the heart of our defence. You don't need s technical director to work out how bad they are. As Keano would say...shocking! I gave then Aaron Hayden's name as soon as they walked through the door and again last week. It got scoffed at because he plays for Wrexham and the majority of teams in the national league last season are pub teams apparantly but he's a level about our dobbers! He's a CB who looks like scoring at every set-piece while our rock of shite can't even head the fecking ball. Craig Cathcart is available on a free if the Udinese wonderkid isn't exactly Carlos Alberto. 100% bang on the money Surely Scott could see what we needed in the window and has brought in kids when we need an experienced dominant CB This is gonna kill us this season as we simply can’t defend Agreed, we were and are crying out for a strong, commanding centre back who can impose himself at both ends, not sure another youngster will do that. |
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Post by cedric on Sept 5, 2023 23:03:09 GMT
I totally agree with Reams - we have an absolute shit show for a “defence”. They are an utter disgrace and an embarrassment to us all. Just as we start to score a few the dense defence (as in utterly thick rather than number) decides to plumb ever lower depths than even the most pessimistic supporter could envisage.
Whomever scoffed at National League defenders clearly has no f@cking clue. I fully expect within 2 seasons Wrexham will be a country mile ahead of us in divisional terms. When you consider some of the class acts that have been the fulcrum of our defence in the past you begin to get a flavour of the level we have sunk to.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 6, 2023 8:19:37 GMT
Hayden has scored 20 goals in 66 games for Wrexham.
He's a central defender!! That's almost a goal every three games.
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Post by squareball on Sept 6, 2023 8:30:22 GMT
We probably won’t see Abankwah playing for us. Another pony show by Scott. 13 of the players yesterday are in and around the first team and got stuffed by a league 2 reserve team.
We need a ton of luck going forward.
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Post by discocafc on Sept 6, 2023 8:38:20 GMT
Hayden has scored 20 goals in 66 games for Wrexham. He's a central defender!! That's almost a goal every three games. Will all due respect Reams I’m more interested in how he defends than scores goals |
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Post by madz on Sept 6, 2023 9:08:09 GMT
Its nice to have centre backs who are threats from corners and the likes whether that's being in the box for headers or just on the edge to try to put their boot through a loose ball, but for me a defender first and foremost needs to be able to defend. Our defence is appalling, they can't do the basics and seriously lack any pace. People raved about Simon Francis and his attacking ability getting forward. Yes his attacking ability getting forward was pretty good, even in the premier league, but his defensive play was awful. Defenders need to be able to tackle, pressure the opposing team and sometimes even be a bit dirty. Make the strikers and the wingers really think hard about how they are going to get around them.
They (Udinese and himself) are saying that Abankwah has pace so really hoping this guy hits the ground running. I quite like Jones, but he just still doesn't look 100%. Ness has decent positioning but again his pace isn't all that. Hector should be the old head we need but just does not fill me with confidence, neither does Thomas.
Our defence just seems to have no confidence in each other, heads are down as soon as a goal goes in (which is always), neither AMB or Isted are being protected. They need a leader at the back..... oh and to keep a clean sheet might boost their confidence. Hopefully missing a game this week we can get some balance to fitness and work on improving our defensive unity. If we get a new manager and coaching team in today or tomorrow hopefully they can get cracking and having that extra week will be beneficial.
I'm not too bothered about the cup game last night. It would have been nice to get a win and a clean sheet, but the team as a whole looked like they were treating it as friendly. Dobson's goal was awesome but they barely celebrated which shows how little the game meant.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 6, 2023 9:19:24 GMT
Hayden has scored 20 goals in 66 games for Wrexham. He's a central defender!! That's almost a goal every three games. Will all due respect Reams I’m more interested in how he defends than scores goals He's a very good defender, better than our shit show. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Sept 6, 2023 9:20:45 GMT
There's probably a few players from Wrexham we'd take, issue is they don't need the money so we wouldn't have a chance of signing them.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 6, 2023 10:18:45 GMT
It's really not about Wrexham mate, it's more a case of recommending good players.
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Post by valleyfaithful on Sept 6, 2023 10:26:08 GMT
Yeah I know mate, I genuinely would like Hayden and Dalby to be on our list - just a shame we wouldn't have a chance of landing them!
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 6, 2023 12:24:58 GMT
We do have a lot of centre backs and it's clear after last night that younger ones need another loan out. Jones has played virtually every game. Hector was good last season so the new manager needs to resolve that. Like you reamsofverse we all hope that Abankwah is sound but who knows?! What we do know is that the SMT watch the same games as us and will form views which are not dissimilar. I mean we saw more minutes for Leaburn, Chin looked OK and Kirk was shocking. Plus once Chin and Edun went off the mighty Crawley took our defence apart! Scott and the club is committed to youth so they get a chance. But we're also committed to climbing the table so the new manager has to build our defence into a unit. That means working with what we have... then bringing in more quality in January. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 6, 2023 13:12:20 GMT
Yeah I know mate, I genuinely would like Hayden and Dalby to be on our list - just a shame we wouldn't have a chance of landing them! Gave both those players names to the club on more than one occasion. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Sept 6, 2023 15:34:59 GMT
I don’t see it that way at all. Granted they’ve looked absolutely pony so far but Hector, from the admittedly limited times I’ve seen him pre CAFC, is a decent centre back….. just not recently! Ness has all the attributes to be a very good player and Elerewe has bags of potential. But there has been no consistency. None of them know if they are coming or going. There’s no shape, no cohesion and even the keeper keeps changing. Confidence is shot to pieces and this needs resolving quick or this season will be over before it starts.
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 6, 2023 15:46:48 GMT
I don’t see it that way at all. Granted they’ve looked absolutely pony so far but Hector, from the admittedly limited times I’ve seen him pre CAFC, is a decent centre back….. just not recently! Ness has all the attributes to be a very good player and Elerewe has bags of potential. But there has been no consistency. None of them know if they are coming or going. There’s no shape, no cohesion and even the keeper keeps changing. Confidence is shot to pieces and this needs resolving quick or this season will be over before it starts. Agree. Chopping and changing each week is only making things worse imo. We need the new head coach to decide quickly who should be first choice and get them working together. We must have the most cominations of CB pairings in the league every year. How do you expect any of them to work out how each other work and what their strengths/weaknesses are? What I do think we likely miss in CB is an animal. Someone who lives for winning a header, throwing themselves at the ball to block, etc. Pearce is a good recent example of this. I don't see that in any of our current CB's. They aren't quite Charlie Kirk (who must have less than 10% battles won in his career) but they are far from a John Terry / Vidic type. |
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Post by massivebeak on Sept 6, 2023 16:14:35 GMT
Yeah I know mate, I genuinely would like Hayden and Dalby to be on our list - just a shame we wouldn't have a chance of landing them! Gave both those players names to the club on more than one occasion. Genuine question- are you a scout that has a direct line to the club? I’m not taking the piss. |
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Post by cheevers on Sept 6, 2023 18:30:37 GMT
A bit of topic, but I wonder if it will be a bit tougher buying a Wrexham player going forward. I imagine wages would have to be quite higher than what they normally would be to offset the media attention and other perks that players at Wrexham are receiving currently.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 6, 2023 18:51:30 GMT
Gave both those players names to the club on more than one occasion. Genuine question- are you a scout that has a direct line to the club? I’m not taking the piss. Have been previously but that was mainly for my Dad at Cardiff. Was asked to look at potential players and upcoming opponents for him, there wasn't so much data around in those days and far too much of it nowadays. Charlton don't have a scouting network I can assure you of that, player stats are fed into a hi-tech analysis device that has cost alot of money and it throws up suitable players for the system the manager wants to play. I think the settings on it must say injured or under 23 years of age! Seriously though we have no scouting network, not for players anyway but we do for watching opponents we are due to face in the near future. To answer your question though there is a line open to me if I come across a player that would improve us and the two Wrexham lads are among them. Problem is though you have to go and watch players to see the best of them, I don't believe in relying totally on data. The comments I had back about Hayden were cheap and disrespectful to the National league, L2 that they are now in and my knowledge in general. Jones and Hector were used in comparison which would have been funny if it wasn't so tragic. My Dad played over 400 games in England and Europe for Wrexham both as captain and as a central defender, In the eyes of many he was the best defender to ever play for the club and is in theh Hall of fame. I played in the same position albeit nowhere near the same level many moons ago so I think that qualifies me to know would a solid, Number 5 looks like and we haven't had one since Richard Rufus. You would think that looking around our central defence any recommendations would be welcome. Dismissing Hayden so lightly is a mistake so much so that I'll think twice next time around. I should add that |
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Post by massivebeak on Sept 6, 2023 20:28:25 GMT
Genuine question- are you a scout that has a direct line to the club? I’m not taking the piss. Have been previously but that was mainly for my Dad at Cardiff. Was asked to look at potential players and upcoming opponents for him, there wasn't so much data around in those days and far too much of it nowadays. Charlton don't have a scouting network I can assure you of that, player stats are fed into a hi-tech analysis device that has cost alot of money and it throws up suitable players for the system the manager wants to play. I think the settings on it must say injured or under 23 years of age! Seriously though we have no scouting, not for players anyway but we do for watching opponents we are due to face in the near future. To answer your question though there is a line open to me if I come across a player that would improve us and the two Wrexham lads are among them. Problem is though you have to go and watch players to see the best of them, I don't believe in relying totally on data. The comments I had back about Hayden were cheap and disrespectful to the National league, L2 that they are now in and my knowledge in general. Jones and Hector were used in comparison which would have been funny if it wasn't so tragic. My Dad played over 400 games in England and Europe for Wrexham both as captain and as a central defender, In the eyes of many he was the best defender to ever play for the club and is in theh Hall of fame. I played in the same position albeit nowhere near the same level many moons ago so I think that qualifies me to know would a solid, Number 5 looks like and we haven't had one since Richard Rufus. You would think that looking around our central defence any recommendations would be welcome. Dismissing Hayden so lightly is a mistake so much so that I'll think twice next time around. I should add that Ah got you Reams- appreciate the reply 👍 |
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Post by mikebassett on Sept 10, 2023 10:02:16 GMT
When we all stop playing fantasy football - Hayden is rated at Wrexham and will be on a decent contract and likely, has little reason to leave. Wrexham would want a daft sum for him and that’s before his wage demands. I don’t see any value in signing him. He may well be a talented player and doing well at Wrexham but from a Charlton perspective, I don’t see what value there is in paying upwards of £500,000 on a transfer fee for a bloke who’ll then be commanding upwards of £250,000 per annum in wages. Is north of three quarters of a million pound on one defender a smart move?
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 10, 2023 10:29:47 GMT
When we all stop playing fantasy football - Hayden is rated at Wrexham and will be on a decent contract and likely, has little reason to leave. Wrexham would want a daft sum for him and that’s before his wage demands. I don’t see any value in signing him. He may well be a talented player and doing well at Wrexham but from a Charlton perspective, I don’t see what value there is in paying upwards of £500,000 on a transfer fee for a bloke who’ll then be commanding upwards of £250,000 per annum in wages. Is north of three quarters of a million pound on one defender a smart move? Yes it is if you are gettng a good defender. We are already seeing what you get for peanuts and one of those, Hector, is on very good money. He's not in Hayden's league. Hayden is 26 and has five or six good seasons in him yet. |
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Post by mikebassett on Sept 10, 2023 10:35:43 GMT
When we all stop playing fantasy football - Hayden is rated at Wrexham and will be on a decent contract and likely, has little reason to leave. Wrexham would want a daft sum for him and that’s before his wage demands. I don’t see any value in signing him. He may well be a talented player and doing well at Wrexham but from a Charlton perspective, I don’t see what value there is in paying upwards of £500,000 on a transfer fee for a bloke who’ll then be commanding upwards of £250,000 per annum in wages. Is north of three quarters of a million pound on one defender a smart move? Yes it is if you are gettng a good defender. We are already seeing what you get for peanuts and one of those, Hector, is on very good money. He's not in Hayden's league. Hayden is 26 and has five or six good seasons in him yet. It’s really not good value in any sense. Spaffing the best part of a million quid up the wall on one player in this club’s state is beyond daft. |
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Post by canterburyaddick on Sept 10, 2023 17:18:15 GMT
When we all stop playing fantasy football - Hayden is rated at Wrexham and will be on a decent contract and likely, has little reason to leave. Wrexham would want a daft sum for him and that’s before his wage demands. I don’t see any value in signing him. He may well be a talented player and doing well at Wrexham but from a Charlton perspective, I don’t see what value there is in paying upwards of £500,000 on a transfer fee for a bloke who’ll then be commanding upwards of £250,000 per annum in wages. Is north of three quarters of a million pound on one defender a smart move? Yes it is if you are gettng a good defender. We are already seeing what you get for peanuts and one of those, Hector, is on very good money. He's not in Hayden's league. Hayden is 26 and has five or six good seasons in him yet. Thing is that Hayden hasn't played at L1 level and is 26, so it would be a massive gamble that I doubt the Club would want to take. The world is full of players that can't step up a league - we've bought enough of them. If they are cheap, possibly worth the risk. Of course you may be totally correct, but I don't think we should do it for a player that should already be at the top of his potential. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2023 19:02:39 GMT
Hayden has scored 20 goals in 66 games for Wrexham. He's a central defender!! That's almost a goal every three games. You do realise he is a sick note injury prone... yesterday he's out for a few weeks .. |
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Post by cafcph on Sept 11, 2023 7:25:40 GMT
Because Jones apart, every single one of our central defenders can fuck right off now as far as Im concerned. Hector, Ness and Elewere are crap and that's being kind. I know they have only been here a short time but I am hugely critical of the naivety shown while assessing the heart of our defence. You don't need a technical director to work out how bad they are. As Keano would say...shocking! I gave then Aaron Hayden's name as soon as they walked through the door and again last week. It got scoffed at because he plays for Wrexham and the majority of teams in the national league last season are pub teams apparantly but he's a level above our dobbers at the back! He's a CB who looks like scoring at every set-piece while our crock of shite can't even head the fecking ball. Craig Cathcart is available on a free if the Udinese wonderkid isn't exactly Carlos Alberto. I don’t think Elerwere is there but Ness needs a loan. Potential but nothing more at this stage |
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Post by sevenoaks on Sept 11, 2023 7:57:24 GMT
Because Jones apart, every single one of our central defenders can fuck right off now as far as Im concerned. Hector, Ness and Elewere are crap and that's being kind. I know they have only been here a short time but I am hugely critical of the naivety shown while assessing the heart of our defence. You don't need a technical director to work out how bad they are. As Keano would say...shocking! I gave then Aaron Hayden's name as soon as they walked through the door and again last week. It got scoffed at because he plays for Wrexham and the majority of teams in the national league last season are pub teams apparantly but he's a level above our dobbers at the back! He's a CB who looks like scoring at every set-piece while our crock of shite can't even head the fecking ball. Craig Cathcart is available on a free if the Udinese wonderkid isn't exactly Carlos Alberto. I don’t think Elerwere is there but Ness needs a loan. Potential but nothing more at this stage My question re Ness is. Looked very good last season, what the hell have we done go him?. Will another loan cure this?. |
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