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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 21:28:34 GMT
Guess your source is a liar then? ibb.co/HCF46H5Edit: Mate you're getting toyed with by Methven. Is that on Company’s House. If not where did you get it from? Bump . This is a key question |
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Post by squareball on Feb 27, 2023 21:32:43 GMT
I agree with DP - what exactly is this you’re showing and where is it from please ? Without some sort of explanation it could be anything. Just looks to be a hosting website, I certainly wouldn't take it as gospel. Neither would l. It’s a hosting website for photos and the like. Depends where the original came from. Perhaps it’s just someone fooling around on a computer having a laugh at our expense. Like throwing a carcass to the lions and watch them devour each other 😁 |
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Post by clarky on Feb 27, 2023 21:34:47 GMT
I don't know how much Methven is worth but if he has 25% stake his share to buy 90% of Sandgaards share would be in excess of £2m with annual operating costs amounting to £1.5m. If they went down the road of getting the assets back his contribution would be in excess of £13m. Basically his stake would be costing him more than each of the 3 billionaires on an individual basis. No wonder the 3 of them were livid when he failed to get the deal across the line. Doesn't seem likely does it!
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Post by theslambert on Feb 27, 2023 21:34:51 GMT
Fair points - but Methven is still trying to play you. You are not the first to claim that and I have no doubt you won't be the last but come on, there are millions of pounds involved here put forward by billionaires, do you all honestly think that he needs me of a Charlton fans forum to get the deal over the line for him!! If he does then I want some of his 24.9% for being the front man for the front man! As others have said anyone could have drawn that diagram up and I#m sure somebody has. Where you have let yourself down and lose credence is 19 hours before I accepted your forum membership an hour ago, you also tried to join under the name mrsandgaard!!It's kind of obvious what your intentions are really mate. Actually, as "MrSanngard". That was mostly because 4 people in the other thread were called a Sandgaard for not being 100% in lock-step. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 21:35:12 GMT
You have developed a bad habit of asking people to comment on things that they have no way of knowing and there is always an under tone to what you right as in, if nobody has come out and said some thing the it can't possibly be true unless of course your name is Thomas Sandgaard giving his side of the story to Rich Crawley and the fact he did it means he has to be right. Leave it. That's the best advice I can give you. People are fed up with your deliberate poking and prodding. Not exactly subtle are you? What do you mean poking and prodding ? I was asking questions about information which had been distributed an this site. What on earth is wrong with that - it’s exactly what should be happening on a forum isn’t it ? As I said, I will continue to ask questions if I don’t think that something is correct and people can either answer or not, that’s up to them. But don’t start telling me what I can and can’t ask. If you can’t take the scrutiny then I guess you’ll go ahead and ban me, but unlike others I’m not so easily scared off and won’t stop posting as long as I’m a member on here, just because you don’t like it. Fella this is your final warning. Posting stuff like 'If you don't like the scrutiny'! Who the fuck do you think you are, nobody is answerable to you. We all know as much as you do. Marc Spiegel tweeted two weeks ago that he had basically bought the club before hastily removing it. Since then he's disappeared, resurfacing last week behind the scenes looking around for investment which I am told included speaking to Peter Varney who didn't want to know. Also heard that he had the nerve to try and tap up a deal with the Americans who were behind CM to try and do a deal for investment with them cutting Methven out of it!! Unbelievable. No morals. Nothing wrong with you not thinking something is correct but if you are going to dismiss something out of hand prove to us it's wrong with hard evidence. You are quick enough asking for it yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 21:35:50 GMT
Only Charlie can refute it. Maybe he will be in touch.
25% for introducing wealthy people to wealthy people. I introduce poor people to poor people everyday and charge 5%.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 21:37:25 GMT
Just looks to be a hosting website, I certainly wouldn't take it as gospel. Neither would l. It’s a hosting website for photos and the like. Depends where the original came from. Perhaps it’s just someone fooling around on a computer having a laugh at our expense. Like throwing a carcass to the lions and watch them devour each other 😁 No doubt the children of Charlton Life playing with their toys again. |
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Post by theslambert on Feb 27, 2023 21:38:21 GMT
Fair points - but Methven is still trying to play you. You are not the first to claim that and I have no doubt you won't be the last but come on, there are millions of pounds involved here put forward by billionaires, do you all honestly think that he needs me of a Charlton fans forum to get the deal over the line for him!! If he does then I want some of his 24.9% for being the front man for the front man! As others have said anyone could have drawn that diagram up and I#m sure somebody has. Where you have let yourself down and lose credence is 19 hours before I accepted your forum membership an hour ago, you also tried to join under the name mrsandgaard!!It's kind of obvious what your intentions are really mate. My previous post aside, you'd be getting used because a very vocal minority take your viewpoint as gospel. I would assume the intent would be part of a widespread effort to force a sale. Any deal that lets Sandgaard retain any percentage, or give Methven any percentage, are objectively bad for the club. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 27, 2023 21:41:09 GMT
Fella don't come on here with comments that you know will get jumped on. He has said himself it was a small percentage and I can confirm it was just that. Guess your source is a liar then? ibb.co/HCF46H5Edit: Mate you're getting toyed with by Methven. With all due respect any year ten kid could have knocked that up in fifteen minutes. Why would anyone believe those numbers? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 21:49:43 GMT
Guess your source is a liar then? ibb.co/HCF46H5Edit: Mate you're getting toyed with by Methven. With all due respect any year ten kid could have knocked that up in fifteen minutes. Why would anyone believe those numbers? I agree. The more I think about it Methven was never getting that percentage. |
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Post by squareball on Feb 27, 2023 21:49:48 GMT
Neither would l. It’s a hosting website for photos and the like. Depends where the original came from. Perhaps it’s just someone fooling around on a computer having a laugh at our expense. Like throwing a carcass to the lions and watch them devour each other 😁 No doubt the children of Charlton Life playing with their toys again. My thoughts exactly. If it is the case it’ll be just to poke a bit of fun at us knowing how we like to chew on these bits of info. |
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Post by squareball on Feb 27, 2023 21:54:35 GMT
You are not the first to claim that and I have no doubt you won't be the last but come on, there are millions of pounds involved here put forward by billionaires, do you all honestly think that he needs me of a Charlton fans forum to get the deal over the line for him!! If he does then I want some of his 24.9% for being the front man for the front man! As others have said anyone could have drawn that diagram up and I#m sure somebody has. Where you have let yourself down and lose credence is 19 hours before I accepted your forum membership an hour ago, you also tried to join under the name mrsandgaard!!It's kind of obvious what your intentions are really mate. My previous post aside, you'd be getting used because a very vocal minority take your viewpoint as gospel. I would assume the intent would be part of a widespread effort to force a sale. Any deal that lets Sandgaard retain any percentage, or give Methven any percentage, are objectively bad for the club. A few voices on a football forum can’t force a sale. Many years hounding RD and some others only managed to get us ESI and Sandgaard while RD still has us by the nuts. It just isn’t possible. |
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Post by theslambert on Feb 27, 2023 21:54:55 GMT
With all due respect any year ten kid could have knocked that up in fifteen minutes. Why would anyone believe those numbers? I agree. The more I think about it Methven was never getting that percentage. So you get presented with proof that contradicts your viewpoint and instead of considering it, you double down. All well and good, I suggest you ask him or whomever your contacts is about the validity of it. |
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Post by squareball on Feb 27, 2023 21:56:30 GMT
I agree. The more I think about it Methven was never getting that percentage. So you get presented with proof that contradicts your viewpoint and instead of considering it, you double down. All well and good, I suggest you ask him or whomever your contacts is about the validity of it. Any idea where the original came from? |
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Post by theslambert on Feb 27, 2023 21:57:34 GMT
So you get presented with proof that contradicts your viewpoint and instead of considering it, you double down. All well and good, I suggest you ask him or whomever your contacts is about the validity of it. Any idea where the original came from? I can't really disclose that. I was forwarded an e-mail chain and that document was among the included I assume unintentionally. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 21:58:09 GMT
You are not the first to claim that and I have no doubt you won't be the last but come on, there are millions of pounds involved here put forward by billionaires, do you all honestly think that he needs me of a Charlton fans forum to get the deal over the line for him!! If he does then I want some of his 24.9% for being the front man for the front man! As others have said anyone could have drawn that diagram up and I#m sure somebody has. Where you have let yourself down and lose credence is 19 hours before I accepted your forum membership an hour ago, you also tried to join under the name mrsandgaard!!It's kind of obvious what your intentions are really mate. My previous post aside, you'd be getting used because a very vocal minority take your viewpoint as gospel. I would assume the intent would be part of a widespread effort to force a sale. Any deal that lets Sandgaard retain any percentage, or give Methven any percentage, are objectively bad for the club. You have lost me? If in your own words a very vocal minority take my viewpoint as gospel then that means that the majority don't? Why then would CM with a combined £40billion $ worth of investors behind him come to reamsofverse for help because he runs a fans forum!! You couldn't make it up. Tell you what though if they have I want my own box at The valley for all the hard work I've put in! I agree entirely about TS and CM retaining a percentage but that's never going to happen now after what happened. Their relationship has become untenable, a serious breach of trust has taken place. The best case scenario is neither TS or CM are involved with the club going forward, both are bad news. However given what is on the table I would rather CM simply because of who else is on board in the deal. That can no longer involve Sandgaard though. The other option is Sandgaard and Spiegel who sound like a pair of poodles. That really would be a disaster so all I have been doing for the last few weeks is promoting what I prefer of the two as a fan. That is not being sucked in Methven. I certainly have posted what I have to play to an audience. The only people I am interesting in are those on here. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 21:59:43 GMT
I agree. The more I think about it Methven was never getting that percentage. So you get presented with proof that contradicts your viewpoint and instead of considering it, you double down. All well and good, I suggest you ask him or whomever your contacts is about the validity of it. Fair enough. Charlie's having a shower at the minute but when he comes down I'll ask him!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 22:01:22 GMT
So you get presented with proof that contradicts your viewpoint and instead of considering it, you double down. All well and good, I suggest you ask him or whomever your contacts is about the validity of it. Fair enough. Charlie's having a shower at the minute but when he comes down I'll ask him!! Ah I knew it the rumours are true😀 |
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Post by jonkool on Feb 27, 2023 22:04:15 GMT
Fair points - but Methven is still trying to play you. You are not the first to claim that and I have no doubt you won't be the last but come on, there are millions of pounds involved here put forward by billionaires, do you all honestly think that he needs me of a Charlton fans forum to get the deal over the line for him!! If he does then I want some of his 24.9% for being the front man for the front man! As others have said anyone could have drawn that diagram up and I#m sure somebody has. Where you have let yourself down and lose credence is 19 hours before I accepted your forum membership an hour ago, you also tried to join under the name mrsandgaard!!It's kind of obvious what your intentions are really mate. A WUM from the get go! Some folk need to get a life! |
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Post by Mundell on Feb 27, 2023 22:06:31 GMT
Fella don't come on here with comments that you know will get jumped on. He has said himself it was a small percentage and I can confirm it was just that. Guess your source is a liar then? ibb.co/HCF46H5Edit: Mate you're getting toyed with by Methven. That’s a fascinating document, if it’s genuine. It doesn’t tell us for certain that Methven will own 24.9% of the club though. It might be that he’s put together a consortium that sits behind his offshore company. Might this include the infamous Texans? That said, the real conundrum here is how funding would work. As we saw when Richard Murray owned 10% of Baton, it’s possible to carry a minority shareholder, leaving them with some skin in the game without requiring then to commit to ongoing funding on a pro rata basis, but that’s not credible with a shareholder of 25%, let alone 35%. This structure makes no sense. It’s not easy to believe that someone as smart as Josh Friedman, if he’s the second investor with circa 24.4%, would go for it. Very odd. |
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Post by squareball on Feb 27, 2023 22:06:56 GMT
My previous post aside, you'd be getting used because a very vocal minority take your viewpoint as gospel. I would assume the intent would be part of a widespread effort to force a sale. Any deal that lets Sandgaard retain any percentage, or give Methven any percentage, are objectively bad for the club. You have lost me? If in your own words a very vocal minority take my viewpoint as gospel then that means that the majority don't? Why then would CM with a combined £40billion $ worth of investors behind him come to reamsofverse for help because he runs a fans forum!! You couldn't make it up. Tell you what though if they have I want my own box at The valley for all the hard work I've put in! I agree entirely about TS and CM retaining a percentage but that's never going to happen now after what happened. Their relationship has become untenable, a serious breach of trust has taken place. The best case scenario is neither TS or CM are involved with the club going forward, both are bad news. However given what is on the table I would rather CM simply because of who else is on board in the deal. That can no longer involve Sandgaard though. The other option is Sandgaard and Spiegel who sound like a pair of poodles. That really would be a disaster so all I have been doing for the last few weeks is promoting what I prefer of the two as a fan. That is not being sucked in Methven. I certainly have posted what I have to play to an audience. The only people I am interesting in are those on here. An ideal scenario would be to let the deal end and see a return of the billionaires only this time going direct. Buy out TS and RD and hire proper staff who have been there and know what is required. It’s highly unlikely given the breakdown but one can dream. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 22:22:27 GMT
Fair enough. Charlie's having a shower at the minute but when he comes down I'll ask him!! Ah I knew it the rumours are true😀  |
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Post by squareball on Feb 27, 2023 22:26:58 GMT
Ah I knew it the rumours are true😀 😂😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 22:28:56 GMT
And the new fella did say you were getting toyed with by Charlie …..
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Post by 19addickted96 on Feb 27, 2023 22:38:47 GMT
Again I have nothing to do with CM but a cracking find all the same, it's very helpful to the cause on here especially this thread, but it's raised questions. Sandgaard was going to keep 10% Methven as this clearly shows was looking at 24.9% The Americans between them 65.1% I grant you this looks like CM was in for more than he admitted in the BBC interview because 24.9% isn't as small as he had us believe but let's look at what else this proves which I have shared on here already which has been ridiculed. Firstly there are three Americans and not just two, the third being the mystery man I told you about. Secondly this sends out a very firm sit down shut up message to all of the numpties out there who refused to believe that Methven was just the face of the buyers, the broker and nowhere near being the major player people had him down as. Bottom line is the Americans have 65.1% plus billions of dollars to their names while CM has 24.9% but little in terms of financial clout so he and TS are small fry in comparison to the high ballers who will own the majority of the club. Given a choice of that and TS and Spiegel with a few million between them then I know who would have been the best option for the football Club. Starting to believe that Friedmans name has been added in much the same vein as Dells name at Sunderland. Brenner is clearly involved, but it’s the 2 other names (middle looks to be a company rather than an individual)- if Friedman is involved , why isn’t his name shown on the picture (it’s public knowledge he’s been linked) |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 22:50:54 GMT
Friedman is 100% true. The mystery guy wants to remain just that but is said to be the wealthier of the three by some distance despite looking like he is the one with just over 16%.
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Post by squareball on Feb 27, 2023 22:52:33 GMT
Any idea where the original came from? I can't really disclose that. I was forwarded an e-mail chain and that document was among the included I assume unintentionally. Naturally enough. It was a ridiculous shot in the dark but I know how it goes. A secret it remains. |
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Post by 19addickted96 on Feb 27, 2023 22:52:56 GMT
Friedman is 100% true. The mystery guy wants to remain just that but is said to be the wealthier of the three by some distance. Don’t disbelieve you, but just wonder his influence/part in the whole thing. Presume it’s his company/hedge fund purchasing rather than himself directly |
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Post by richmondse10exile on Feb 27, 2023 23:11:03 GMT
Fascinating corporate network. Taking it purely at face value it seems the ownership of the Delaware holding company (company number tbc) is divided up into 1/8ths whereas the split over the proposed ownership of Clear Ocean Capital shows splits of 65.1%, 10% and 24.9%. If the diagram shows things down to 0.1 of a per cent why not list the Delaware company owners as holding 37.5%, 37.5% and 25%? CM's Cayman Island company - Global Football Partners Limited - does not have a company number listing. One of the other US companies has (tbc) similarly showing. So the only known and listed entities on the diagram are those known on the TS side of things - Sandgaard Capital, Clear Ocean Finance and the two Charlton teams. The obvious question to you theslambert then, which I'm sure is being asked repeatedly already (but I haven't caught up yet), is where has this come from? I will leave it to others to dissect the actual information as it conflicts with everything we've been told on both this forum and over on CL about the extent of CM's involvement / brokerage / ownership percentage and also TS' retained percentage. Apologies for the rambling but this has thrown me. |
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Post by cafcscp on Feb 27, 2023 23:13:16 GMT
If the deal is dead, then I wonder why TS hasn’t dropped the names of those billionaires into the public domain.
Not normally one for keeping quiet.
Can’t imagine he’s sworn to secrecy either.
Wonder if he’s keeping options open in case he needs to come grovelling when Spiegel doesn’t come with cash.
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