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Post by squareball on Jul 25, 2023 7:55:52 GMT
Thought Charlie came across well but my only concern is that when questioned about investing in players he said it’s the fans who fund that e.g. tickets so not expecting money from them. Secondly they are using a data analytics firm to source players for Dean to look at which didn’t seem to work at all before. Of course. He isn’t going to be spending big,never was either. Next thing he’ll be calling us parasites if we choose to watch a stream instead of attending. Been there done that. I wonder will wonderboy MS be donating his analytics box to the firm? Maybe Scott was using that firm in January to bring in Bonne Kilkenny and all the other ponies! Don’t you just love analytics in football. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 25, 2023 8:18:11 GMT
Thought Charlie came across well but my only concern is that when questioned about investing in players he said it’s the fans who fund that e.g. tickets so not expecting money from them. Secondly they are using a data analytics firm to source players for Dean to look at which didn’t seem to work at all before. Of course. He isn’t going to be spending big,never was either. Next thing he’ll be calling us parasites if we choose to watch a stream instead of attending. Been there done that. I wonder will wonderboy MS be donating his analytics box to the firm? Maybe Scott was using that firm in January to bring in Bonne Kilkenny and all the other ponies! Don’t you just love analytics in football. The January set up really was a strange one. I say this because Scott was appointed by SE7 and people are saying he bought in four duds. I can't see how that is possible because as we have just seen over the last 8-10 weeks, they were not allowed to be seen influencing transfers because they were not the owners. They could sign off wages etc but not buy players until now so how was Scott involved in the rubbish that came in, |
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Post by paperboy on Jul 25, 2023 8:35:08 GMT
IMO data analytics are now an important part of football, if you have the right people running it. Some clubs like Brighton have used it very successfully to bring in players based solely on their stats. I am very optimistic that we will have a professional team looking after that side of player recruitment with Dean Holden having the final say on any recommendation put to him. www.sportskeeda.com/football/6-football-clubs-making-great-use-of-data-analytics |
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Post by squareball on Jul 25, 2023 8:52:35 GMT
Of course. He isn’t going to be spending big,never was either. Next thing he’ll be calling us parasites if we choose to watch a stream instead of attending. Been there done that. I wonder will wonderboy MS be donating his analytics box to the firm? Maybe Scott was using that firm in January to bring in Bonne Kilkenny and all the other ponies! Don’t you just love analytics in football. The January set up really was a strange one. I say this because Scott was appointed by SE7 and people are saying he bought in four duds. I can't see how that is possible because as we have just seen over the last 8-10 weeks, they were not allowed to be seen influencing transfers because they were not the owners. They could sign off wages etc but not buy players until now so how was Scott involved in the rubbish that came in, We all know that they had the reins in January bringing in DH which was a good acquisition but the ponies unfortunately were not. They put a whole team in place at board level who subsequently left after the plug was pulled. We all know this. It’s irrelevant if we have billionaire names but no investment in the team from them. Their name would however be useful to show that the funds are visible but will they part with it? CM has been clear so no excuses from us. Fans will be funding the budget so let’s get down the Valley and see how far we can carry these billionaires. |
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Post by cafcfan32 on Jul 25, 2023 8:54:54 GMT
Dodger is out in force …he is really gunning for the new owners and also annoyed none of his questions (which i will say were reasonable) were not asked in the interview yesterday
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Post by valleyred1 on Jul 25, 2023 9:05:15 GMT
Dodger is out in force …he is really gunning for the new owners and also annoyed none of his questions (which i will say were reasonable) were not asked in the interview yesterday Dodger is the biggest tool in the box |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 25, 2023 9:06:17 GMT
Dodger is out in force …he is really gunning for the new owners and also annoyed none of his questions (which i will say were reasonable) were not asked in the interview yesterday What are his concerns and what were his questions? |
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Post by Bexleyranger on Jul 25, 2023 9:21:12 GMT
Dodger is out in force …he is really gunning for the new owners and also annoyed none of his questions (which i will say were reasonable) were not asked in the interview yesterday Best bit about this is that 4 of his questions were indeed answered by CM.. Just goes to show his intellect.. Cloth ears! |
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Post by LoyalAddick on Jul 25, 2023 9:24:06 GMT
Dodger is out in force …he is really gunning for the new owners and also annoyed none of his questions (which i will say were reasonable) were not asked in the interview yesterday What are his concerns and what were his questions? Attachments:
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 25, 2023 9:31:02 GMT
What are his concerns and what were his questions? I think he is just nitpicking in question 7. I say this because CAST only post their stuff on CL so they are being choosy with what sections of the fan base they want for an audience. The obsession with the land really is unhealthy. Where on earth as the TS still being a guarantor for it come from? Not heard that one myself but perhaps it's today with TS oweing RD money on it? I really don't know. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 25, 2023 9:32:14 GMT
What are his concerns and what were his questions? He did answer quite a few of those. I see he's tagging onto some stuff Airman/Rick has been sharing then around the leases. It's an old document. Stop holding onto the past! On question 2. How does he expect to engage the fanbase? The clubs Supporters trust seems a good start to me (ignoring the history/current state of it) from the outside. Does Dodger want us all down the Valley to fire questions at Methven or something? I'm sure that would work... |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 25, 2023 9:33:08 GMT
The January set up really was a strange one. I say this because Scott was appointed by SE7 and people are saying he bought in four duds. I can't see how that is possible because as we have just seen over the last 8-10 weeks, they were not allowed to be seen influencing transfers because they were not the owners. They could sign off wages etc but not buy players until now so how was Scott involved in the rubbish that came in, We all know that they had the reins in January bringing in DH which was a good acquisition but the ponies unfortunately were not. They put a whole team in place at board level who subsequently left after the plug was pulled. We all know this. It’s irrelevant if we have billionaire names but no investment in the team from them. Their name would however be useful to show that the funds are visible but will they part with it? CM has been clear so no excuses from us. Fans will be funding the budget so let’s get down the Valley and see how far we can carry these billionaires. That might be the case but they couldn't buy players and that is a 100% fact. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 25, 2023 9:38:28 GMT
Dodger is out in force …he is really gunning for the new owners and also annoyed none of his questions (which i will say were reasonable) were not asked in the interview yesterday Only so many questions can be asked in 30 minutes. Most of his were but what ever answer would have been given he would still have picked holes in it. Like I have said I have no issue with dodger, he is entitled to his opinion. Digging me out and continually naming me just goes over the top of my head. I'm really not bothered and like I have said all along I am more than willing to sit down and have a beer with anyone and talk about our football club. There's just no need for the bitterness and toxic atmosphere that some people thrive on. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 25, 2023 10:07:25 GMT
He did answer quite a few of those. I see he's tagging onto some stuff Airman/Rick has been sharing then around the leases. It's an old document. Stop holding onto the past! On question 2. How does he expect to engage the fanbase? The clubs Supporters trust seems a good start to me (ignoring the history/current state of it) from the outside. Does Dodger want us all down the Valley to fire questions at Methven or something? I'm sure that would work... Just catching up with this. So from what I have read both Dodger & Rick Everitt have confirmed stated overnight (the latter producing paperwork) that Sandgaard remains the guarantor on the lease. If that particular paperwork is what he has tweeted below then it is out of date. I know exactly what's going on with the lease but I am not going anywhere near it on a public forum or anywhere eolse for that matter except to say that Everitt is doing what Everitt does. He's always been the same. Another new owner comes along who shuns him and he puts his boxing gloves on. He is as outdated as that document is. Rick give it up fella because you are making a fool of yourself. To say that SE7 have not touched base with the Duchatelet's is just so wide of the mark it's like one of those sliced shots that go out for a throw in. |
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Post by fromafar on Jul 25, 2023 10:07:41 GMT
It may be worth going steady on the anti Methven stuff for now…. Look at Sunderland, he was part of a group that steadied the ship, achieved promotion and sold on to a buyer who would never have bought the club in the state it was in following back to back relegations. As he openly states, he is not everyone’s cup of tea but he will get the job done at Charlton. He will make some mates and no doubt upset a few people along the way but he will get the club back in the Championship.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 25, 2023 10:12:02 GMT
It may be worth going steady on the anti Methven stuff for now…. Look at Sunderland, he was part of a group that steadied the ship, achieved promotion and sold on to a buyer who would never have bought the club in the state it was in following back to back relegations. As he openly states, he is not everyone’s cup of tea but he will get the job done at Charlton. He will make some mates and no doubt upset a few people along the way but he will get the club back in the Championship. Welcome to ITTV by the way What anti-Methven stuff? I think most people on here are keeping an open mind on him and the new ownership as a whole |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 25, 2023 10:12:14 GMT
It may be worth going steady on the anti Methven stuff for now…. Look at Sunderland, he was part of a group that steadied the ship, achieved promotion and sold on to a buyer who would never have bought the club in the state it was in following back to back relegations. As he openly states, he is not everyone’s cup of tea but he will get the job done at Charlton. He will make some mates and no doubt upset a few people along the way but he will get the club back in the Championship. I'm not seeing any of that on here sorry. I think most people on here are in the CM & SE7 camp to be honest. It's elswhere that seems to have the issues. You have to be a right weirdo not to trust somebody because of his accent! Yes somebody has even written that and refered to his Eton days on another forum. That really is disturbing behaviour. |
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Post by fromafar on Jul 25, 2023 10:18:12 GMT
I'm not seeing any of that on here sorry. I think most people on here are in the CM & SE7 camp to be honest. It's elswhere that seems to have the issues. You have to be a right weirdo not to trust somebody because of his accent! Yes somebody has even written that and refered to his Eton days on another forum. That really is disturbing behaviour. That’s football - full of weird and wonderful opinions…. As Methven said the feel good will only return with results on the pitch. If the team is winning the niggles are insignificant, when it’s loosing accents, salmon pants etc all snowball. |
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Post by 995632 on Jul 25, 2023 10:26:51 GMT
IMO data analytics are now an important part of football, if you have the right people running it. Some clubs like Brighton have used it very successfully to bring in players based solely on their stats. I am very optimistic that we will have a professional team looking after that side of player recruitment with Dean Holden having the final say on any recommendation put to him. www.sportskeeda.com/football/6-football-clubs-making-great-use-of-data-analyticsThink that's the key to it for us now, a real "proper" data analytics company that can properly view the data points and make the necessary recommendations. Not the ex "logistics manager" for daddy's company whose entire black box of data stretched to painting his pristine white PS5 matte black and firing up a copy of FIFA '21 which was £1.69 from CEX... Again, evidence of what we've been crying out for for years - experienced football people making the decisions following professional experienced information. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 25, 2023 10:30:38 GMT
That’s football - full of weird and wonderful opinions…. As Methven said the feel good will only return with results on the pitch. If the team is winning the niggles are insignificant, when it’s loosing accents, salmon pants etc all snowball. Sorry mate that's not football at all. I agree it does bring out the worst in people at times but when comments sink that low it becomes personal. Some people embarrass themselves with their comments on that forum as do the mods for turning a blind eye to it. They even take threads private just so they can slag people off who aren't members. |
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Post by earlpurple on Jul 25, 2023 13:22:05 GMT
I assume that what Charlie Methven meant was that a lot of the club's income revenue is from ticket sales.
There are other revenues and there are board members whose primary aim is on that side of things.
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 25, 2023 13:32:38 GMT
I assume that what Charlie Methven meant was that a lot of the club's income revenue is from ticket sales. There are other revenues and there are board members whose primary aim is on that side of things. Yeah I thought it was essentially hinting at the fact we need to generate our own revenue to spend within our means / FFP. |
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Post by se7sm on Jul 25, 2023 13:40:28 GMT
I assume that what Charlie Methven meant was that a lot of the club's income revenue is from ticket sales. There are other revenues and there are board members whose primary aim is on that side of things. Yeah I thought it was essentially hinting at the fact we need to generate our own revenue to spend within our means / FFP. yeah not sure but think you can spend as much as you like on the transfer, but I think the wages are capped to a percentage of turnover, so get the bums on seats. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 25, 2023 14:06:35 GMT
Yeah I thought it was essentially hinting at the fact we need to generate our own revenue to spend within our means / FFP. yeah not sure but think you can spend as much as you like on the transfer, but I think the wages are capped to a percentage of turnover, so get the bums on seats. Yeah seems that way. Wages are the big costs, usually, at this level anyway though. Not loads of fee's thrown about. So we still need to ensure we bring in enough revenue in order to pay the wages of the players we want to attract. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 25, 2023 14:39:32 GMT
The problem is with some people is the voices in their head and if it isn't that it's the voice of somebody they don't know, never will know but believe anyway because it's focussed negatively on Charlie Methven!
The latest load of old nonsense I'm reading from somewhere else is people stating that CM and co. are going to sell the young talent just as soon as they can.
We all know through reading SE7's short to mid-term plan that I posted on here just the other day that this is NOT the case and it's NOT going to happen. The actual words used were: CAFC must get out of the habit of selling its best young talent too early to shore up short-term cashflow, as this is damaging to both promotion prospects and achieving full value for these players.
Some people just love having something to moan about I guess.
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Post by valley on Jul 25, 2023 14:40:53 GMT
Reams how much did Tommy get on selling too se7 partners?.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 25, 2023 14:48:12 GMT
Reams how much did Tommy get on selling too se7 partners?. Don't know and don't care mate. Between 10.5m and 11m was the last figure I was told so who knows. All I do know is that was 10% higher than the January bid but this time for 100% of the club. I think TS eeked out a couple of hundred grand from them in the latter stages to cover debt but will be recovered when Karlan Grant moves club for a fee because Huddersfield owe us a final payment on him. |
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Post by Mundell on Jul 25, 2023 17:11:15 GMT
I assume that what Charlie Methven meant was that a lot of the club's income revenue is from ticket sales. There are other revenues and there are board members whose primary aim is on that side of things. That’s exactly how I interpreted what he said too. Based on the latest published accounts (end June 2022), the high level numbers are as follows, Total revenues £9.8m, of which match day income was £4.9m, central income £2m, commercial income £1.8m, and other £1m. In addition, owner funding contributed £3.5m while cash at bank and in hand fell by £2.2m. Operating expenses were £17.8m. It’s clear that match day income is very important, but so too is owner funding and player sales. |
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Post by Mundell on Jul 25, 2023 17:23:23 GMT
yeah not sure but think you can spend as much as you like on the transfer, but I think the wages are capped to a percentage of turnover, so get the bums on seats. Yeah seems that way. Wages are the big costs, usually, at this level anyway though. Not loads of fee's thrown about. So we still need to ensure we bring in enough revenue in order to pay the wages of the players we want to attract. As you say, while the club has to comply with the SCMP there are no limits on spending per se. If the owners chose to do so, they could inject equity into the club and since this counts as “fortune income” they could spend the cash on wages. In this sense, it is wrong to say that the SCMP limits what a club playing in League One is able to spend on wages. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 25, 2023 17:54:46 GMT
I can see this being the end of Dobson or McGrandles myself. Henry has to go out on loan either way. Surely your not suggesting Dobsons not good enough ? Dobson has been our most consistent player for 2 seasons. Are you suggesting we might sell him ? Mcgrandles and Henry are nowhere as good as Dobson. Sorry,but confused. Not at all but we have signed Camara, look like signing Taylor, potentially there is another midfielder on our radar, so one has to question the thinking and are we about to offload someone in that position. Henry moving on wouldnt scrape the surface as he won't be involved anyway so that leaves Dobson or McGrandles. |
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