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Post by ExeterAddick on Jul 21, 2023 21:03:30 GMT
Pleased with today's news, but this new mob start from a completely neutral baseline for me and a lot of other fans, I'd imagine.
No bumlicking or hero-worshipping until they actually do some positive things for the club. We've had two false idols in Southall and Sandgaard, so let's keep our powder dry and see what this new lot are all about.
That said, I am cautiously hopeful.
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Post by stu2020 on Jul 21, 2023 21:32:17 GMT
Well I'm hopeful enough... just bought my 2 sons and myself our seasons tickets... after barely going last season.. bring it on !! :-)
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Post by redrobbo on Jul 21, 2023 21:49:58 GMT
Pleased with today's news, but this new mob start from a completely neutral baseline for me and a lot of other fans, I'd imagine. No bumlicking or hero-worshipping until they actually do some positive things for the club. We've had two false idols in Southall and Sandgaard, so let's keep our powder dry and see what this new lot are all about. That said, I am cautiously hopeful. Holden was their appointment. They didn’t give up in January which shows a determination to succeed. Almost all of the youth players signed up. Good signings, May in particular. Steve Sutherland and two other Charlton fans on the Board. A proper Board with the authority to make decisions. Investors with money. Investors with sporting backgrounds, great experience and backgrounds that could be useful. I think they have already started doing some positive things and I applaud their arrival at our Club. What is the powder of which you speak? |
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Post by iomvaliants on Jul 21, 2023 21:53:07 GMT
I for one am glad to see the back of TS, I appreciate what he did in regards to ESI but from then on he had strangled the club and he needed to go in order for us to progress. We had become incompetent under his leadership(or I should say lack of).. I welcome the new owners and they certainly deserve a chance to show what they can do and i hope they can lead us to where our great club needs to be.. I don't think anyone would pay millions of pounds if their intentions weren't honourable..
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Post by tonaddick on Jul 22, 2023 7:13:43 GMT
Pleased with today's news, but this new mob start from a completely neutral baseline for me and a lot of other fans, I'd imagine. No bumlicking or hero-worshipping until they actually do some positive things for the club. We've had two false idols in Southall and Sandgaard, so let's keep our powder dry and see what this new lot are all about. That said, I am cautiously hopeful. Delighted to see the back of the narcissist Danish Brent; a great day for Charlton spoilt only by his terrible farewell message. I agree completely with your post. The first time for reflection for me will be the end of the transfer window and, with apologies to Seriously Red, then in December checking the position in the league and the performances to get there. I'm not expecting promotion this season but looking forward, I think, to a season of unpicking the mistakes of the narcissist and his hillbilly family members and building a squad that can challenge next season. I might even be convinced to come back unless CVPM builds on last season or my lad gets a club inside the M25. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jul 22, 2023 7:21:15 GMT
Pleased with today's news, but this new mob start from a completely neutral baseline for me and a lot of other fans, I'd imagine. No bumlicking or hero-worshipping until they actually do some positive things for the club. We've had two false idols in Southall and Sandgaard, so let's keep our powder dry and see what this new lot are all about. That said, I am cautiously hopeful. Holden was their appointment. They didn’t give up in January which shows a determination to succeed. Almost all of the youth players signed up. Good signings, May in particular. Steve Sutherland and two other Charlton fans on the Board. A proper Board with the authority to make decisions. Investors with money. Investors with sporting backgrounds, great experience and backgrounds that could be useful. I think they have already started doing some positive things and I applaud their arrival at our Club. What is the powder of which you speak? Not sure that there's any need for hero worship even when SE7 Partners deliver promotion, since the immediate challenge will then be to continue improving and climb up the Championship pecking order. Ideally the last 15 years have taught us not to have blind faith in any one owner, manager or player. As with every summer, we will all have the opportunity to welcome new signings and watch our new look side gel, or not! This summer we get to welcome a new board and new SMT. With the bonus of watching Sandgaard, his Mrs and his son disappear in the rear view mirror. Sandgaard bought the club from ESI and underwrite the losses. But also spent three years of his and our time demonstrating how not to run our club. A learning opportunity perhaps? Dunno but time to move on to a new dawn. |
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Post by ardrohanlil on Jul 22, 2023 7:27:43 GMT
Last season was the closest I have been to giving up and not going any more. That's after 55 years.
This new takeover has made me optimistic again and am looking forward to going so for that I thank the new owners.
COYRs
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 22, 2023 7:38:33 GMT
Pleased with today's news, but this new mob start from a completely neutral baseline for me and a lot of other fans, I'd imagine. No bumlicking or hero-worshipping until they actually do some positive things for the club. We've had two false idols in Southall and Sandgaard, so let's keep our powder dry and see what this new lot are all about. That said, I am cautiously hopeful. Delighted to see the back of the narcissist Danish Brent; a great day for Charlton spoilt only by his terrible farewell message. I agree completely with your post. The first time for reflection for me will be the end of the transfer window and, with apologies to Seriously Red, then in December checking the position in the league and the performances to get there. I'm not expecting promotion this season but looking forward, I think, to a season of unpicking the mistakes of the narcissist and his hillbilly family members and building a squad that can challenge next season. I might even be convinced to come back unless CVPM builds on last season or my lad gets a club inside the M25. 4 more in of the quality of Hector & Camara and I dont see why we cant give promotion a good go this season |
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Post by bigandy99 on Jul 22, 2023 7:43:22 GMT
Last season was the closest I have been to giving up and not going any more. That's after 55 years. This new takeover has made me optimistic again and am looking forward to going so for that I thank the new owners. COYRs You are exactly the type of fan the club now needs to engage with again… don’t give up!… |
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Post by ardrohanlil on Jul 22, 2023 8:03:26 GMT
Last season was the closest I have been to giving up and not going any more. That's after 55 years. This new takeover has made me optimistic again and am looking forward to going so for that I thank the new owners. COYRs You are exactly the type of fan the club now needs to engage with again… don’t give up!… Don't worry I won't. |
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Post by charlton4ever on Jul 22, 2023 8:28:19 GMT
Last season was the closest I have been to giving up and not going any more. That's after 55 years. This new takeover has made me optimistic again and am looking forward to going so for that I thank the new owners. COYRs I too thought that way but did renew my ST, my lad hasn't. Said he was done. However he just texted to say he has bought an Orient ticket, so he is hooked again! It is in your blood! |
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Post by bigandy99 on Jul 22, 2023 8:35:13 GMT
Last season was the closest I have been to giving up and not going any more. That's after 55 years. This new takeover has made me optimistic again and am looking forward to going so for that I thank the new owners. COYRs I too thought that way but did renew my ST, my lad hasn't. Said he was done. However he just texted to say he has bought an Orient ticket, so he is hooked again! It is in your blood! Having somewhere to be at 3.00pm on a Saturday is the best drug of all!!! |
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Post by redrobbo on Jul 22, 2023 8:59:15 GMT
Holden was their appointment. They didn’t give up in January which shows a determination to succeed. Almost all of the youth players signed up. Good signings, May in particular. Steve Sutherland and two other Charlton fans on the Board. A proper Board with the authority to make decisions. Investors with money. Investors with sporting backgrounds, great experience and backgrounds that could be useful. I think they have already started doing some positive things and I applaud their arrival at our Club. What is the powder of which you speak? Not sure that there's any need for hero worship even when SE7 Partners deliver promotion, since the immediate challenge will then be to continue improving and climb up the Championship pecking order. Ideally the last 15 years have taught us not to have blind faith in any one owner, manager or player. As with every summer, we will all have the opportunity to welcome new signings and watch our new look side gel, or not! This summer we get to welcome a new board and new SMT. With the bonus of watching Sandgaard, his Mrs and his son disappear in the rear view mirror. Sandgaard bought the club from ESI and underwrite the losses. But also spent three years of his and our time demonstrating how not to run our club. A learning opportunity perhaps? Dunno but time to move on to a new dawn. |
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Post by clarky on Jul 22, 2023 9:05:48 GMT
Season ticket purchased, got my regular seat back as well. Happy days.
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Post by redrobbo on Jul 22, 2023 9:16:52 GMT
Hero worship?
The use of the term “hero” is grossly over used IMO, but linking it with a simple list is farcical. Even if we win the Champions League they will not be “hero’s” to me.
I was trying to make the point that one should recognise what is going on in front of your own eyes and take that into consideration when reaching an opinion. To suggest that you are starting from neutral at this point is in my opinion wrong, as you are ignoring what has taken place so far.
Out of interest, at what level of success will you be licking their bums?
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Post by happyaddick on Jul 22, 2023 9:34:08 GMT
Hero worship? The use of the term “hero” is grossly over used IMO, but linking it with a simple list is farcical. Even if we win the Champions League they will not be “hero’s” to me. I was trying to make the point that one should recognise what is going on in front of your own eyes and take that into consideration when reaching an opinion. To suggest that you are starting from neutral at this point is in my opinion wrong, as you are ignoring what has taken place so far. Out of interest, at what level of success will you be licking their bums? [ If we go up as champions, I'd get a tattoo of each of the investors standing in a circle on the valley pitch with Charlie being thrown up in the air with his thumps up wearing his salmon trousers in celebration |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 22, 2023 10:00:37 GMT
Do you mean his wife Olly, or partner or whatever she called herself, bully even? He turned a blind eye when the bullying culture was ride, he ignored it, pretendd it wasn't happening, all the time whiole good people were resigning and suffering with their mental health because it was a case of leave or speak out and get sacked. A vile man and an even worse bitch by his side US office culture mate, experienced it myself 1st hand ! |
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Post by mersthamred on Jul 22, 2023 10:22:30 GMT
Do you mean his wife Olly, or partner or whatever she called herself, bully even? He turned a blind eye when the bullying culture was ride, he ignored it, pretendd it wasn't happening, all the time whiole good people were resigning and suffering with their mental health because it was a case of leave or speak out and get sacked. A vile man and an even worse bitch by his side US office culture mate, experienced it myself 1st hand ! I always try and back the owner...but when you hear of staff getting mistreated a line has been crossed. |
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Post by manikin on Jul 22, 2023 10:31:02 GMT
I haven't read Sandgaards message because if it's come from inside his head it's full of lies and crap. Good riddance to the narcistic, lying prat.
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Post by valleyfaithful on Jul 22, 2023 10:52:20 GMT
Season ticket purchased, got my regular seat back as well. Happy days. I’d be interested to hear the final season ticket number vs the number before SE7 took over. Loads of people said they were hanging on, I hope they all follow through like you did Clarky! |
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Post by valley on Jul 22, 2023 17:40:50 GMT
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Jul 22, 2023 18:00:17 GMT
I haven't read Sandgaards message because if it's come from inside his head it's full of lies and crap. Good riddance to the narcistic, lying prat. Me neither. After everything though, if his last goodbye to us isn't a guitar solo then he's bottled it. |
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Post by stu2020 on Jul 22, 2023 20:08:06 GMT
At the end of the day sometimes you have to take people at their word, I did with TS and others didn't, I was wrong they were right, so I don't mind admitting it, now I take SE7 as a positive and support, I'm wary after what we've just experienced but given the structure that has been suggested... I really am looking forward to something positive, the proof is in the pudding, but this time it feels like we're moving forward, in any case for the last year I've not wanted to take my boys to the club, I felt like I was being cheated if I did so, and now I'm really excited about a season to come and we've got our season tickets...COYR...
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Post by squareball on Jul 23, 2023 9:22:08 GMT
What is Rosenfelds worth? FFS! What is your obsession with worth mate? Who cares. I guess the obsession comes from the idea that we are now backed by billionaires. Will they be spending money on us? The illusion given is that they will so his question is a natural one. The opportunity is there now to show us what they are capable of. No crocks or the likes of Bonne,Penney , Kilkenny etc please. They need to rethink that failed strategy to progress up this division. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 23, 2023 9:58:38 GMT
FFS! What is your obsession with worth mate? Who cares. I guess the obsession comes from the idea that we are now backed by billionaires. Will they be spending money on us? The illusion given is that they will so his question is a natural one. The opportunity is there now to show us what they are capable of. No crocks or the likes of Bonne,Penney , Kilkenny etc please. They need to rethink that failed strategy to progress up this division. I agree but the shareholders will do what their counteparts to at other clubs, each contributing to what will be a competitive transfer budget that will allow us to have a good go at it. As long as they can do that why do npeople need to know their actual worth. there is a thread over on CL where the usual footballing misfits are disecting and analysing each and every investor. Some people really do need to get a life. If PV had taken over they would all queuing for autographs instead of asking how much money they've got. I have it on good authority from at least two people that Sandgaard's budget for players was nowhere near top four, he just wanted fans to think it was so they wouldn't come after him when things went wrong. Even Ben Garner alluded to that fact a few weeks ago. It was a mid-table budget and you only get what you pay for. Why weren't his finances scrutinised? Because he lied? |
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Post by bingaddick on Jul 23, 2023 10:44:16 GMT
I guess the obsession comes from the idea that we are now backed by billionaires. Will they be spending money on us? The illusion given is that they will so his question is a natural one. The opportunity is there now to show us what they are capable of. No crocks or the likes of Bonne,Penney , Kilkenny etc please. They need to rethink that failed strategy to progress up this division. I agree but the shareholders will do what their counteparts to at other clubs, each contributing to what will be a competitive transfer budget that will allow us to have a good go at it. As long as they can do that why do npeople need to know their actual worth. there is a thread over on CL where the usual footballing misfits are disecting and analysing each and every investor. Some people really do need to get a life. If PV had taken over they would all queuing for autographs instead of asking how much money they've got. I have it on good authority from at least two people that Sandgaard's budget for players was nowhere near top four, he just wanted fans to think it was so they wouldn't come after him when things went wrong. Even Ben Garner alluded to that fact a few weeks ago. It was a mid-table budget and you only get what you pay for. Why weren't his finances scrutinised? Because he lied? Is it just me or does our ownership set up feel more like the one at Arsenal? There are shareholders/investors who invest for the long term whilst the club is professionally run by it's SMT? There have always been "family owners". We have had them in spades at our club. Arsenal had the Hill-Wood family for many years but their ownership morphed into a number of investors. It's possible to make the case that in the Murray era we had something similar but he was much more hands on as the club's largest shareholder. Of course we can speculate about the true returns that any investor is expecting and any exit strategy but it sounds from what you published in the other thread as if these are serious investors, in for the long term. With professional managers appointed to run the club. There is no way they are looking, like the spivs or the charlatans of the past, to flip their investment quickly. Or like RD, have some wacky ideas of a federation of clubs and putting in charge a rank amateur with very little experience. I am really optimistic now. It's been many years since I have felt this way - even when the false dawn's occurred. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 23, 2023 10:57:09 GMT
FFS! What is your obsession with worth mate? Who cares. I guess the obsession comes from the idea that we are now backed by billionaires. Will they be spending money on us? The illusion given is that they will so his question is a natural one. The opportunity is there now to show us what they are capable of. No crocks or the likes of Bonne,Penney , Kilkenny etc please. They need to rethink that failed strategy to progress up this division. Like I said on the other thread it wasn't a failed startegy process because they weren't the owners at the time and were doing what they have just done prior to taking over, signing off players under Sandgaard's ownership and budget. Their hands were tied. They knew they had to bring players in but could only do so if the takeover went through and then TS pulled the rug from underneath it. The players that ended up at the club weren't necessarily their choice. |
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Post by bigandy99 on Jul 23, 2023 11:44:07 GMT
I guess the obsession comes from the idea that we are now backed by billionaires. Will they be spending money on us? The illusion given is that they will so his question is a natural one. The opportunity is there now to show us what they are capable of. No crocks or the likes of Bonne,Penney , Kilkenny etc please. They need to rethink that failed strategy to progress up this division. Like I said on the other thread it wasn't a failed startegy process because they weren't the owners at the time and were doing what they have just done prior to taking over, signing off players under Sandgaard's ownership and budget. Their hands were tied. They knew they had to bring players in but could only do so if the takeover went through and then TS pulled the rug from underneath it. The players that ended up at the club weren't necessarily their choice. Does FFP apply in L1?… maybe we can’t just go spending.. |
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Post by jonkool on Jul 23, 2023 12:34:32 GMT
Like I said on the other thread it wasn't a failed startegy process because they weren't the owners at the time and were doing what they have just done prior to taking over, signing off players under Sandgaard's ownership and budget. Their hands were tied. They knew they had to bring players in but could only do so if the takeover went through and then TS pulled the rug from underneath it. The players that ended up at the club weren't necessarily their choice. Does FFP apply in L1?… maybe we can’t just go spending.. Yes the EFL have a fair play set of regs. Wrexham didn’t have to concern themselves last season as the National League doesn’t have any FFP regs but this season they will have to work within the EFL regs. Going back a long while QPR had a huge EFL problem when the EFL had more draconian regs but escaped it by winning the tier 2 playoff final. But it wasn’t forgotten and they were caught when they were relegated back down. But they had far greater scope upon being relegated as the EFL had bottled it and greatly watered down the regs.  |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jul 23, 2023 17:31:39 GMT
FFS! What is your obsession with worth mate? Who cares. I guess the obsession comes from the idea that we are now backed by billionaires. Will they be spending money on us? The illusion given is that they will so his question is a natural one. The opportunity is there now to show us what they are capable of. No crocks or the likes of Bonne,Penney , Kilkenny etc please. They need to rethink that failed strategy to progress up this division. Bonne, Penney and Kilkenny have all left the building. As have Morgan, Claire and Inniss. With the benefit of hindsight the task last Christmas was to: - ensure survival in League One - cut the wage bill - AND create space in the squad this summer to bring in better players We are fortunate that: - the takeover has finally gone through - Three very decent clubs were promoted - Holden has had seven months to shape - Our young players picked up experience and are a year older - makes a massive difference. Nobody can guarantee what happens in August wrt results, performances, signings and injuries. But I'll be extremely surprised if we don't pick up a left back, midfielder and front three player very soon. Let's see where we are in September compared to 10 months ago. |
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