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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 19:57:52 GMT
Had to let some people go so the long takeover thread wouldn't have made much sense going forward so we start again. Same as the old. There has been no censorship just to prove that I think that Thomas Sandgaard is a lying prick so we all know the background so it's just a case of carrying on from where we left off.
I was asked by Tom earlier whether I think the CM brokered group would eventually but the club. My response was that given how the deal broke down it would be very unlikely because of the breach of trust and the only way I could see them purchasing take club now would be to but TS out completely.
Marc Spiegel isn't a rick man and is seeking investment, I believe he reached out to Peter Varney recently but Peter being the good man he is rebuffed his approach. It won't work for him without investment, the thought of the club being run by him, Sandgaard and Storrie will have disastrous consequences and I just don't see Dean Holden buying into it. We will go even further backwards under this arrangement.
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Post by valleydobson1 on Feb 27, 2023 20:00:13 GMT
Thought others have said no takeover maybe investment?.
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Post by houndal on Feb 27, 2023 20:11:13 GMT
Assuming:
1) Sandgaard does not sell, for reasons already stated.
2) There is no significant investment/loan forthcoming.
How long before Sandgaard stops paying the bills and admin looms, with the subsequent point deduction ie relegation?
Given that he clearly does not give a flying f*ck about our club, I would not be at all surprised if this (or the threat) happens.
And where would Duchatelet stand in all this?
I am coming round to the idea that rising from the ashes from L2 is better that where we are currently.
What an utter mess.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 20:14:47 GMT
Assuming: 1) Sandgaard does not sell, for reasons already stated. 2) There is no significant investment/loan forthcoming. How long before Sandgaard stops paying the bills and admin looms, with the subsequent point deduction ie relegation? Given that he clearly does not give a flying f*ck about our club, I would not be at all surprised if this (or the threat) happens. And where would Duchatelet stand in all this? I am coming round to the idea that rising from the ashes from L2 is better that where we are currently. What an utter mess. Been put to me that RD is taking action over the default on the terms and conditions of the ESI 1 deal which I'm sure will be met with denial. As a club, we are in a very dark place. Let's not forget who is taking us there. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 20:24:48 GMT
Had to let some people go so the long takeover thread wouldn't have made much sense going forward so we start again. Same as the old. There has been no censorship just to prove that I think that Thomas Sandgaard is a lying prick so we all know the background so it's just a case of carrying on from where we left off. I was asked by Tom earlier whether I think the CM brokered group would eventually but the club. My response was that given how the deal broke down it would be very unlikely because of the breach of trust and the only way I could see them purchasing take club now would be to but TS out completely. Marc Spiegel isn't a rick man and is seeking investment, I believe he reached out to Peter Varney recently but Peter being the good man he is rebuffed his approach. It won't work for him without investment, the thought of the club being run by him, Sandgaard and Storrie will have disastrous consequences and I just don't see Dean Holden buying into it. We will go even further backwards under this arrangement. Who have you let go? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 20:28:29 GMT
Had to let some people go so the long takeover thread wouldn't have made much sense going forward so we start again. Same as the old. There has been no censorship just to prove that I think that Thomas Sandgaard is a lying prick so we all know the background so it's just a case of carrying on from where we left off. I was asked by Tom earlier whether I think the CM brokered group would eventually but the club. My response was that given how the deal broke down it would be very unlikely because of the breach of trust and the only way I could see them purchasing take club now would be to but TS out completely. Marc Spiegel isn't a rick man and is seeking investment, I believe he reached out to Peter Varney recently but Peter being the good man he is rebuffed his approach. It won't work for him without investment, the thought of the club being run by him, Sandgaard and Storrie will have disastrous consequences and I just don't see Dean Holden buying into it. We will go even further backwards under this arrangement. Who have you let go? One or two dick. |
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Post by theslambert on Feb 27, 2023 20:32:22 GMT
CM Just mad he's not getting his 25% of the club for "brokering" the deal.
Want refund of a non-refundable deposit.
Interesting tactic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 20:36:42 GMT
Is there a break between the old thread and this one as it looks like some stuff is missing, which isn’t a problem, just trying to work out where we are and if something new happened.
Can anyone confirm then if it’s thought that Spiegel is taking over, or is he the investment and TS will still be the owner ?
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 20:38:58 GMT
CM Just mad he's not getting his 25% of the club for "brokering" the deal. Want refund of a non-refundable deposit. Interesting tactic. Fella don't come on here with comments that you know will get jumped on. He has said himself it was a small percentage and I can confirm it was just that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 20:41:43 GMT
Is there a break between the old thread and this one as it looks like some stuff is missing, which isn’t a problem, just trying to work out where we are and if something new happened. Can anyone confirm then if it’s thought that Spiegel is taking over, or is he the investment and TS will still be the owner ? As far as am aware it is an investment. But I could be wrong. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 20:47:41 GMT
Is there a break between the old thread and this one as it looks like some stuff is missing, which isn’t a problem, just trying to work out where we are and if something new happened. Can anyone confirm then if it’s thought that Spiegel is taking over, or is he the investment and TS will still be the owner ? Couldn't care less. Just looking forward to fans who don't want the CM group finding out what the alternative looks like. Word of warning though it won't be pretty. Spiegel is looking for investment, something that was already there with the other group. Can we not have your usual 20 questions on here going forward because nobody knows the answers. All I know about Sandgaard's favoured bidder is that he has offered him 14m and a retaining percentage. Spiegel is looking for moneymen to join him in investing so if it happens we'll end up with the multi-investors that nobody wanted with the CM group. Hopefully CM will react to what TS told Rich Crawley over the weekend and we'll get a closer insight to who is telling the truth and who isn't. My bets are already on. |
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Post by clarky on Feb 27, 2023 20:49:43 GMT
Had to let some people go so the long takeover thread wouldn't have made much sense going forward so we start again. Same as the old. There has been no censorship just to prove that I think that Thomas Sandgaard is a lying prick so we all know the background so it's just a case of carrying on from where we left off. I was asked by Tom earlier whether I think the CM brokered group would eventually but the club. My response was that given how the deal broke down it would be very unlikely because of the breach of trust and the only way I could see them purchasing take club now would be to but TS out completely. Marc Spiegel isn't a rick man and is seeking investment, I believe he reached out to Peter Varney recently but Peter being the good man he is rebuffed his approach. It won't work for him without investment, the thought of the club being run by him, Sandgaard and Storrie will have disastrous consequences and I just don't see Dean Holden buying into it. We will go even further backwards under this arrangement. It does seem that Spiegel is Sandgaards preferred choice and I agree that the only way forward for the American consortium is to buy Sandgaard out completely. As you say Spiegel is not a rich man in footballing terms and if Methven has a strong case against Sandgaard and with the possible problem with RD around the corner Sandgaards best or only option maybe to sell out completely. |
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Post by theslambert on Feb 27, 2023 20:54:05 GMT
CM Just mad he's not getting his 25% of the club for "brokering" the deal. Want refund of a non-refundable deposit. Interesting tactic. Fella don't come on here with comments that you know will get jumped on. He has said himself it was a small percentage and I can confirm it was just that. Guess your source is a liar then? ibb.co/HCF46H5Edit: Mate you're getting toyed with by Methven. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 20:58:53 GMT
Is there a break between the old thread and this one as it looks like some stuff is missing, which isn’t a problem, just trying to work out where we are and if something new happened. Can anyone confirm then if it’s thought that Spiegel is taking over, or is he the investment and TS will still be the owner ? Couldn't care less. Just looking forward to fans who don't want the CM group finding out what the alternative looks like. Word of warning though it won't be pretty. Spiegel is looking for investment, something that was already there with the other group. Can we not have your usual 20 questions on here going forward because nobody knows the answers. All I know about Sandgaard's favoured bidder is that he has offered him 14m and a retaining percentage. Spiegel is looking for moneymen to join him in investing so if it happens we'll end up with the multi-investors that nobody wanted with the CM group. Hopefully CM will react to what TS told Rich Crawley over the weekend and we'll get a closer insight to who is telling the truth and who isn't. My bets are already on. There’s a couple of antagonistic comments there already, not necessarily all directed at me, but still obvious. Is it not possible for people to post a simple enquiry without getting that sort of reply ? DP managed a straightforward answer without the add-ons. Why do you feel the need to be so confrontational. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 20:59:10 GMT
Fella don't come on here with comments that you know will get jumped on. He has said himself it was a small percentage and I can confirm it was just that. Guess your source is a liar then? ibb.co/HCF46H5Edit: Mate you're getting toyed with by Methven. Is that on Company’s House. If not where did you get it from? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 21:04:04 GMT
Again I have nothing to do with CM but a cracking find all the same, it's very helpful to the cause on here especially this thread, but it's raised questions.
Sandgaard was going to keep 10%
Methven as this clearly shows was looking at 24.9%
The Americans between them 65.1%
I grant you this looks like CM was in for more than he admitted in the BBC interview because 24.9% isn't as small as he had us believe but let's look at what else this proves which I have shared on here already which has been ridiculed.
Firstly there are three Americans and not just two, the third being the mystery man I told you about.
Secondly this sends out a very firm sit down shut up message to all of the numpties out there who refused to believe that Methven was just the face of the buyers, the broker and nowhere near being the major player people had him down as.
Bottom line is the Americans have 65.1% plus billions of dollars to their names while CM has 24.9% but little in terms of financial clout so he and TS are small fry in comparison to the high ballers who will own the majority of the club.
Given a choice of that and TS and Spiegel with a few million between them then I know who would have been the best option for the football Club.
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Post by jonkool on Feb 27, 2023 21:05:06 GMT
Is there a break between the old thread and this one as it looks like some stuff is missing, which isn’t a problem, just trying to work out where we are and if something new happened. Can anyone confirm then if it’s thought that Spiegel is taking over, or is he the investment and TS will still be the owner ? Couldn't care less. Just looking forward to fans who don't want the CM group finding out what the alternative looks like. Word of warning though it won't be pretty. Spiegel is looking for investment, something that was already there with the other group. Can we not have your usual 20 questions on here going forward because nobody knows the answers. All I know about Sandgaard's favoured bidder is that he has offered him 14m and a retaining percentage. Spiegel is looking for moneymen to join him in investing so if it happens we'll end up with the multi-investors that nobody wanted with the CM group. Hopefully CM will react to what TS told Rich Crawley over the weekend and we'll get a closer insight to who is telling the truth and who isn't. My bets are already on. The owner must be living in La La land in not accepting the CM consortium offer. A bird in the hand all that … Spiegel would appear not to have a pot to pi55 in. The owner doesn’t appear to be very good in terms of a business decision making as he may now be flirting with admin if Spiegel’s potentially rag bag consortium of the good the bad and the ugly doesn’t come up with the dosh. Admin may have worked for Southampton back in the day but being docked points next season which would risk relegation to tier 4 is daunting and with no property assets would there be a white knight to fund the future losses in Div 1 or 2 or both! Futuredark days indeed 😢 |
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Post by theslambert on Feb 27, 2023 21:06:05 GMT
Cracking find but here is my issue. Sandgaard was going to keep 10% Methven as this clearly shows was looking at 24.9% The Americans between them 65.1% I grant you this looks like CM was in for more than he admitted in the BBC interview because 24.9% isn't as small as he had us believe but let's look at what else this proves which I have shared on here already which has been ridiculed. Firstly there are three Americans and not just two, the third being the mystery man I told you about. Secondly this sends out a very firm sit down shut up message to all of the numpties out there who refused to believe that Methven was just the face of the buyers, the broker and nowhere near being the major player people had him down as. Fair points - but Methven is still trying to play you. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 21:07:07 GMT
Couldn't care less. Just looking forward to fans who don't want the CM group finding out what the alternative looks like. Word of warning though it won't be pretty. Spiegel is looking for investment, something that was already there with the other group. Can we not have your usual 20 questions on here going forward because nobody knows the answers. All I know about Sandgaard's favoured bidder is that he has offered him 14m and a retaining percentage. Spiegel is looking for moneymen to join him in investing so if it happens we'll end up with the multi-investors that nobody wanted with the CM group. Hopefully CM will react to what TS told Rich Crawley over the weekend and we'll get a closer insight to who is telling the truth and who isn't. My bets are already on. There’s a couple of antagonistic comments there already, not necessarily all directed at me, but still obvious. Is it not possible for people to post a simple enquiry without getting that sort of reply ? DP managed a straightforward answer without the add-ons. Why do you feel the need to be so confrontational. You have developed a bad habit of asking people to comment on things that they have no way of knowing and there is always an under tone to what you right as in, if nobody has come out and said some thing the it can't possibly be true unless of course your name is Thomas Sandgaard giving his side of the story to Rich Crawley and the fact he did it means he has to be right. Leave it. That's the best advice I can give you. People are fed up with your deliberate poking and prodding. Not exactly subtle are you? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 21:08:46 GMT
Cracking find but here is my issue. Sandgaard was going to keep 10% Methven as this clearly shows was looking at 24.9% The Americans between them 65.1% I grant you this looks like CM was in for more than he admitted in the BBC interview because 24.9% isn't as small as he had us believe but let's look at what else this proves which I have shared on here already which has been ridiculed. Firstly there are three Americans and not just two, the third being the mystery man I told you about. Secondly this sends out a very firm sit down shut up message to all of the numpties out there who refused to believe that Methven was just the face of the buyers, the broker and nowhere near being the major player people had him down as. I was told by Charle Methven it was three billionaires and I posted it on here. But Methven didn’t disclose that he had such a large shareholding. Economical with the truth. |
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Post by wellingaddick on Feb 27, 2023 21:11:59 GMT
I can't see any takeover/investment working without a complete buyout of the freeholds. The ownership of which, would constitute at least some kind of return in the future. A down payment, paid by another party or various other parties if Sandgaard can manage to find investors for the remaining payments, will leave the club in more of a mess, in respect of ownership of The Valley and the training ground.
Unsurprising if Duchatelet is considering action, he just wants his 50 odd million and ride off into the sunset.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 21:16:31 GMT
Guess your source is a liar then? ibb.co/HCF46H5Edit: Mate you're getting toyed with by Methven. Is that on Company’s House. If not where did you get it from? I agree with DP - what exactly is this you’re showing and where is it from please ? Without some sort of explanation it could be anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 21:19:30 GMT
Cracking find but here is my issue. Sandgaard was going to keep 10% Methven as this clearly shows was looking at 24.9% The Americans between them 65.1% I grant you this looks like CM was in for more than he admitted in the BBC interview because 24.9% isn't as small as he had us believe but let's look at what else this proves which I have shared on here already which has been ridiculed. Firstly there are three Americans and not just two, the third being the mystery man I told you about. Secondly this sends out a very firm sit down shut up message to all of the numpties out there who refused to believe that Methven was just the face of the buyers, the broker and nowhere near being the major player people had him down as. I was told by Charle Methven it was three billionaires and I posted it on here. But Methven didn’t disclose that he had such a large shareholding. Economical with the truth. Are you being told directly by Charlie ? Or via a third party from Charlie? If you have a direct line to Charlie then surely you can ask him Why he has does not have the balls to post for himself? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 21:21:06 GMT
Cracking find but here is my issue. Sandgaard was going to keep 10% Methven as this clearly shows was looking at 24.9% The Americans between them 65.1% I grant you this looks like CM was in for more than he admitted in the BBC interview because 24.9% isn't as small as he had us believe but let's look at what else this proves which I have shared on here already which has been ridiculed. Firstly there are three Americans and not just two, the third being the mystery man I told you about. Secondly this sends out a very firm sit down shut up message to all of the numpties out there who refused to believe that Methven was just the face of the buyers, the broker and nowhere near being the major player people had him down as. Hang on CM in for 25%? Reams you kept saying he was just a broker and was to retain an insignificant % only. Clearly not true. Either your source was incorrect or you’ve been played. |
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Post by squareball on Feb 27, 2023 21:23:23 GMT
Is that on Company’s House. If not where did you get it from? I agree with DP - what exactly is this you’re showing and where is it from please ? Without some sort of explanation it could be anything. If it’s true then the red flag against CM is confirmed. Never was he just a broker. Might explain why he’s a bit pissed about the situation because he really couldn’t give a toss about us. Bit like the current numpty incumbent. If it’s not real then we await and see what develops. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 21:23:28 GMT
I preferred the other thread about the takeover already.🙈
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 21:24:05 GMT
There’s a couple of antagonistic comments there already, not necessarily all directed at me, but still obvious. Is it not possible for people to post a simple enquiry without getting that sort of reply ? DP managed a straightforward answer without the add-ons. Why do you feel the need to be so confrontational. You have developed a bad habit of asking people to comment on things that they have no way of knowing and there is always an under tone to what you right as in, if nobody has come out and said some thing the it can't possibly be true unless of course your name is Thomas Sandgaard giving his side of the story to Rich Crawley and the fact he did it means he has to be right. Leave it. That's the best advice I can give you. People are fed up with your deliberate poking and prodding. Not exactly subtle are you? What do you mean poking and prodding ? I was asking questions about information which had been distributed an this site. What on earth is wrong with that - it’s exactly what should be happening on a forum isn’t it ? As I said, I will continue to ask questions if I don’t think that something is correct and people can either answer or not, that’s up to them. But don’t start telling me what I can and can’t ask. If you can’t take the scrutiny then I guess you’ll go ahead and ban me, but unlike others I’m not so easily scared off and won’t stop posting as long as I’m a member on here, just because you don’t like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 21:26:32 GMT
I preferred the other thread about the takeover already.🙈 Funny if it wasn’t my thoughts also |
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Post by wellingaddick on Feb 27, 2023 21:26:51 GMT
Is that on Company’s House. If not where did you get it from? I agree with DP - what exactly is this you’re showing and where is it from please ? Without some sort of explanation it could be anything. Just looks to be a hosting website, I certainly wouldn't take it as gospel. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 27, 2023 21:28:13 GMT
Cracking find but here is my issue. Sandgaard was going to keep 10% Methven as this clearly shows was looking at 24.9% The Americans between them 65.1% I grant you this looks like CM was in for more than he admitted in the BBC interview because 24.9% isn't as small as he had us believe but let's look at what else this proves which I have shared on here already which has been ridiculed. Firstly there are three Americans and not just two, the third being the mystery man I told you about. Secondly this sends out a very firm sit down shut up message to all of the numpties out there who refused to believe that Methven was just the face of the buyers, the broker and nowhere near being the major player people had him down as. Fair points - but Methven is still trying to play you. You are not the first to claim that and I have no doubt you won't be the last but come on, there are millions of pounds involved here put forward by billionaires, do you all honestly think that he needs me of a Charlton fans forum to get the deal over the line for him!! If he does then I want some of his 24.9% for being the front man for the front man! As others have said anyone could have drawn that diagram up and I#m sure somebody has. Where you have let yourself down and lose credence is 19 hours before I accepted your forum membership an hour ago, you also tried to join under the name mrsandgaard!!It's kind of obvious what your intentions are really mate. |
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