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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 24, 2021 11:23:45 GMT
We need to ship players out before we can bring any in which is why I was surprised that we extended Corey Blackett-Taylor's contract. I think he is surplus now under JJ and if we could do a u-turn I think we should.
Inniss' contract is up in the summer, will he play between now and then and if so how much? Is it worth keeping him? I would say not, offload him along with Watson.
I want to also see the back of Davison who needs to go out on loan with Morgan. Kirk might also benefit from a loan move too but I would prefer to keep him over CBT.
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Post by bexleyboy on Nov 24, 2021 12:30:51 GMT
Striker to replace Davison liked Stockton last night and in a better team he could be a decent option or we go back in for Oliver at Gillingham …
Another centre back a must … again we could look make another move for Tucker at Gillingham they won’t be able to hold out for a 1 million in Jan
Apart from that and JFC coming back not sure we need much else ..
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Post by manikin on Nov 24, 2021 12:36:55 GMT
Striker to replace Davison liked Stockton last night and in a better team he could be a decent option or we go back in for Oliver at Gillingham … Another centre back a must … again we could look make another move for Tucker at Gillingham they won’t be able to hold out for a 1 million in Jan Apart from that and JFC coming back not sure we need much else .. I don't often agree with you but that sounds fair enough!
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 24, 2021 12:46:13 GMT
Striker to replace Davison liked Stockton last night and in a better team he could be a decent option or we go back in for Oliver at Gillingham … Another centre back a must … again we could look make another move for Tucker at Gillingham they won’t be able to hold out for a 1 million in Jan Apart from that and JFC coming back not sure we need much else .. Before we talk of new centre backs, what do we have already? Famewo is playing every game and delivering while Inniss long term injured and out of contract in six months. Pearce is captain and very useful in the central position. Both Clare and Gunter are able to play left centre back in a three. And what's the news on Lavelle? Finally Elerewe looks promising and has just signed a long term deal. When might he be ready to step up as a regular? Given we are good with our keeper and in midfield, this is one of two questions to resolve in January. The other obviously relates to our strikers.
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 24, 2021 12:59:20 GMT
I'd prefer a more mobile ST than getting another Stockley.
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 24, 2021 13:32:46 GMT
Three strikrs who should be on our radar.
Cole Stockton Scott Twine Max Watters
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 24, 2021 14:14:45 GMT
Before we got too drawn in to discussions of which players we want does anyone think that Sandgaard is going to spend any serious money in January?
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 24, 2021 14:18:04 GMT
Before we got too drawn in to discussions of which players we want does anyone think that Sandgaard is going to spend any serious money in January? Along with budget for fees and wages there's the question of playing strategy in terms of the mix within the squad. All club owners would love to bring in 20 year old players and then sell them again in three years for £3-5M. But how does that sit with improving our chances of making the top six?
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 24, 2021 14:29:54 GMT
Before we got too drawn in to discussions of which players we want does anyone think that Sandgaard is going to spend any serious money in January? Along with budget for fees and wages there's the question of playing strategy in terms of the mix within the squad. All club owners would love to bring in 20 year old players and then sell them again in three years for £3-5M. But how does that sit with improving our chances of making the top six? Promotion is most fans main goal but I’m not sure if that’s the case for those that are trying to prove that they can make the club sustainable. I don’t think there is a model that works unless we get into the Premier League. Sure Brentford seem to have done it but they seem to be the only one that has. Winning the lottery is not an ideal retirement plan but it works for some people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 14:49:19 GMT
The best striker we have faced this season (that I have seen) is Freddie Ladapo.
He would make an excellent partner for Stockley, and has loads of attributes that we currently lack up front.
We could free up funds to sign him (or at least make a bid) by offloading Kirk, Gunter & Watson, and sending Davison out on loan.
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Post by keepthefaith on Nov 24, 2021 15:01:27 GMT
Three strikrs who should be on our radar. Cole Stockton Scott Twine Max Watters Unfortunately Scott Twine has only just moved to MK Dons this season and has started every game (scoring 1 in 2) so I can't see any way they will sell him Likewise Watters is getting on well there on loan so I'm not sure Cardiff will want to unsettle him as they will probably want to retain him if he carries on as he is..
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 24, 2021 15:26:21 GMT
Along with budget for fees and wages there's the question of playing strategy in terms of the mix within the squad. All club owners would love to bring in 20 year old players and then sell them again in three years for £3-5M. But how does that sit with improving our chances of making the top six? Promotion is most fans main goal but I’m not sure if that’s the case for those that are trying to prove that they can make the club sustainable. I don’t think there is a model that works unless we get into the Premier League. Sure Brentford seem to have done it but they seem to be the only one that has. Winning the lottery is not an ideal retirement plan but it works for some people. Perhaps qualifying for the play-offs is sufficient for most of the fan base? For sure we all want to watch football at a higher level in the Championship, not least the quality of play and refereeing. Plenty of clubs have competed with those who have parachute monies but that comes at great expense. A bill that Duchatelet refused to pay and one that Sandgaard also appears shy of addressing. But all that's a long way from the next window where our immediate fate for this season will be shaped.
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Post by vaangard on Nov 24, 2021 15:38:02 GMT
Striker to replace Davison liked Stockton last night and in a better team he could be a decent option or we go back in for Oliver at Gillingham … Another centre back a must … again we could look make another move for Tucker at Gillingham they won’t be able to hold out for a 1 million in Jan Apart from that and JFC coming back not sure we need much else .. We don't need Tucker, a RCB, as we have Inniss, Lavelle, (OK injured) Clare, with Elewere, Barker, Bakrin and Tourè in the wings. We need to get a LCB as Pearce and Famewo likely to be gone in June. Candidates Joe Powell, Tom O'Connor, Zak Williams or promotion for Harris O'Connor.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 24, 2021 17:04:44 GMT
From scoham posted elsewhere - gives a very clear picture of how the rules affect us and what needs to happen: With JFC on the way back he’ll take Schwartz’s spot. That means we need to let players go before we can bring in any outfield over 21 players. Morgan counts as u21 so moving him on won’t free a spot. Of the rest of the squad we need to look at who we’ll be letting go in the summer and see which of them we may be able to move on in January. Due to his injuries Inniss is one of them, but for the same reason it may be difficult to attract interest. Gunter, Matthews and Watson are obvious candidates though their age and in some cases wage might result in the same issue. With Arter being on loan ending that in January will have to be considered if he’s not getting much game time. CBT is out of contract at the end of the year and doesn’t really fit into the current formation where he’ll be required to track back more. Kirk is another one who doesn’t fit the system unless he can grow into Lee’s role. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned back to Crewe with the situation reassessed in the summer. Soaure may well be released in the summer but it’s a long season with plenty of time for him to step up. I don’t see Pearce going having agreed a deal in which he moves onto coaching. Outside of those named above it would be a surprise to see anyone go. Now we’re playing two up front another striker is needed. We have the FA Cup and another Pizza Trophy game coming up, it’s a great chance to see if we have any u23s ready to step up. I’d like to see Burstow get a start in at least one of them, given we can’t bring in anyone until January it’s worth seeing if we have a young striker who can contribute to the first team. Kanu would be an option too but I hope we can get him on a pro deal once he turns 17 to avoid another Deji situation. I was keen for another right back to come in but this formation and our current injuries makes another CB more urgent. We might look to sign some of the loanees permanently, I can see Lee doing so, while Leko and Famewo feels less likely.
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Post by MurciaAl on Nov 24, 2021 17:55:18 GMT
Striker to replace Davison liked Stockton last night and in a better team he could be a decent option or we go back in for Oliver at Gillingham … Another centre back a must … again we could look make another move for Tucker at Gillingham they won’t be able to hold out for a 1 million in Jan Apart from that and JFC coming back not sure we need much else .. Before we talk of new centre backs, what do we have already? Famewo is playing every game and delivering while Inniss long term injured and out of contract in six months. Pearce is captain and very useful in the central position. Both Clare and Gunter are able to play left centre back in a three. And what's the news on Lavelle?Finally Elerewe looks promising and has just signed a long term deal. When might he be ready to step up as a regular? Given we are good with our keeper and in midfield, this is one of two questions to resolve in January. The other obviously relates to our strikers. Lavelle said last night that he should be back mid January.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 24, 2021 18:37:34 GMT
Three strikrs who should be on our radar. Cole Stockton Scott Twine Max Watters Unfortunately Scott Twine has only just moved to MK Dons this season and has started every game (scoring 1 in 2) so I can't see any way they will sell him Likewise Watters is getting on well there on loan so I'm not sure Cardiff will want to unsettle him as they will probably want to retain him if he carries on as he is.. I think Scott Twine plays in the 10 role rather than CF and I was questioning way back in July why we were not in for him…..but others kept telling me that he wasn’t on our list of targets and that that we were looking at a better class of player…..😳…..a free goal scoring number 10 from Swindon wasn’t on our list of targets and available on a free……seriously…..😳 The problem with getting the likes of Stockton, Jephcott and Ladapo in is that a host of other clubs with bigger pockets than us will be circling around like sharks in January…..We continue to miss a trick in the transfer window by not paying a going rate in the summer, Dempsey springs to mind and I am pretty sure there are plenty of others……Having this current situation of Davison playing regularly when he is clearly not ready for this level of football is crazy……and we don’t even have an injury crisis with forwards,,…just a lack of forward thinking by Gallen and his teams little black box during the summer…….If Washington was to get injured now then we really are in the smelly stuff…… Our best realistic bet is to try and get a Championship striker who is out of favour with there club in on loan…..such as Aneke as an example…….
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Post by Mundell on Nov 24, 2021 18:50:11 GMT
From scoham posted elsewhere - gives a very clear picture of how the rules affect us and what needs to happen: With JFC on the way back he’ll take Schwartz’s spot. That means we need to let players go before we can bring in any outfield over 21 players. Morgan counts as u21 so moving him on won’t free a spot. Of the rest of the squad we need to look at who we’ll be letting go in the summer and see which of them we may be able to move on in January. Due to his injuries Inniss is one of them, but for the same reason it may be difficult to attract interest. Gunter, Matthews and Watson are obvious candidates though their age and in some cases wage might result in the same issue. With Arter being on loan ending that in January will have to be considered if he’s not getting much game time. CBT is out of contract at the end of the year and doesn’t really fit into the current formation where he’ll be required to track back more. Kirk is another one who doesn’t fit the system unless he can grow into Lee’s role. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned back to Crewe with the situation reassessed in the summer. Soaure may well be released in the summer but it’s a long season with plenty of time for him to step up. I don’t see Pearce going having agreed a deal in which he moves onto coaching. Outside of those named above it would be a surprise to see anyone go. Now we’re playing two up front another striker is needed. We have the FA Cup and another Pizza Trophy game coming up, it’s a great chance to see if we have any u23s ready to step up. I’d like to see Burstow get a start in at least one of them, given we can’t bring in anyone until January it’s worth seeing if we have a young striker who can contribute to the first team. Kanu would be an option too but I hope we can get him on a pro deal once he turns 17 to avoid another Deji situation. I was keen for another right back to come in but this formation and our current injuries makes another CB more urgent. We might look to sign some of the loanees permanently, I can see Lee doing so, while Leko and Famewo feels less likely. Good summary. In some ways we segue back to the question kings hill addick asked about Sandgaard’s willingness to spend money. That willingness may well reflect the psychology of loss aversion as well as the pure economics of ‘correcting mistakes’. It may well cost money to move players on (subsidisation of wages, booking a loss on transfer fees paid, etc.) and Sandgaard may be reluctant to sanction such expenditure. Another option is to retain players, but leave them out of the registered squad of 22, as was the case with Ben Dempsey in September, for example. However, this may also ‘feel’ wasteful and be an ‘uncomfortable’ thing to do. Other than Harry Arter (I assume his loan agreement could be cancelled), it’s not obvious who we’d be both willing and able to move on or omit from the 22. For example, if we ship Davison out (and there would be takers for him, even if only on loan), we’d still be short of strikers if only one came in. How much does that help? Who would take Kirk on his current wages? Etc. Etc. There’s also a bit of a paradox at work here. If by January we’re well placed in the table, Sandgaard may take the view we don’t need to strengthen. If we’re not, he may conclude there’s no point since promotion will be out of reach. When faced with a dilemma many decision makers search for a logical way to proceed which resolves the dilemma without the need to actually solve it. A logical thing for Sandgaard to do in January might be to focus on next season not this one. That might mean he’ll aim to be strategic and not tactical and look to sign players only if he feels they represent ‘value for money’, development potential and future upside. Even then his willingness to act might be influenced by his experience of the signings he’s made so far. My guess is that if we’re hoping to see two to three players signed in the January window who will immediately strengthen the First XI and improve our chances of making the top six, we’re going to be disappointed. I hope I’m wrong obviously.
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Post by IpswichAddick on Nov 24, 2021 20:00:50 GMT
Three strikrs who should be on our radar. Cole Stockton Scott Twine Max Watters Depending on where we are in the table by January, supposing we're top 6 or 8. Wouldn't we much rather go for: Callum Patterson Luke Jephcott (Unlikely but who knows where Plymouth will be and where we'll be) John Marquis
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Post by bexleyboy on Nov 24, 2021 20:12:40 GMT
Before we got too drawn in to discussions of which players we want does anyone think that Sandgaard is going to spend any serious money in January? Yes … if the right player out there proved that already
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Post by bexleyboy on Nov 24, 2021 20:14:11 GMT
Three strikrs who should be on our radar. Cole Stockton Scott Twine Max Watters Depending on where we are in the table by January, supposing we're top 6 or 8. Wouldn't we much rather go for: Callum Patterson Luke Jephcott (Unlikely but who knows where Plymouth will be and where we'll be) John Marquis John Marquis … you sure Again we made a bid for Jephcott got quoted silly money and he just signed a new deal
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 24, 2021 20:33:42 GMT
Before we got too drawn in to discussions of which players we want does anyone think that Sandgaard is going to spend any serious money in January? Yes … if the right player out there proved that already I would be extremely surprised if TS was prepared to pay the going rate for a striker such as Stockton, Jephcott etc…….He had chances to do this in the summer but the budget obviously didn’t allow so I can’t see anything changing this in January….. My understanding regarding our long term strategy was to get young players with great potential in on long contracts so that we can make money on them in the future….Well to do this you have to pay the current going rate because no club is going to let their goal scoring CF go on the cheap…. I would imagine there were eyebrows raised at the fees paid when Ivan Toney moved from Newcastle and then through Peterborough etc….but look at what the guy is worth now…...speculate to accumulate springs to mind… Realistically I can see us either getting a young Prem striker in on loan or a Championship forward currently out of favour with their team on loan also…….I just can’t see TS paying the money required to bring in the type of players that posters are suggesting… These targets will continue to be discussed up to and including the window but be prepared to be underwhelmed with the eventual outcome……….Happy to be proven wrong though……
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Post by IpswichAddick on Nov 24, 2021 20:37:53 GMT
Depending on where we are in the table by January, supposing we're top 6 or 8. Wouldn't we much rather go for: Callum Patterson Luke Jephcott (Unlikely but who knows where Plymouth will be and where we'll be) John Marquis John Marquis … you sure Again we made a bid for Jephcott got quoted silly money and he just signed a new deal I have always rated Marquis and feel like he's just having a duff season. We know what he can do in this league and has proven it for Doncaster in the 18/19 season. Jephcott is a great player, so hopefully we can get him if he wants out anyway...
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 24, 2021 20:53:55 GMT
Three strikrs who should be on our radar. Cole Stockton Scott Twine Max Watters Unfortunately Scott Twine has only just moved to MK Dons this season and has started every game (scoring 1 in 2) so I can't see any way they will sell him Likewise Watters is getting on well there on loan so I'm not sure Cardiff will want to unsettle him as they will probably want to retain him if he carries on as he is.. You are probably right on all counts but money talks......oh hang on!! Plan B has to be Colby Bishop.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Nov 24, 2021 21:56:05 GMT
I'd be happy with either of Stockton/Bishop/Marquis. If he wasn't already on people's radar,I'm sure CS's wonder goal has alerted loads more. Not sure how accurate transfermarket is?,but it says Bishop/Marquis both contracted until Jun 22.Probably hinges on where we are when the window opens,but more firepower would be welcome that's for sure.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 24, 2021 22:10:10 GMT
Yes … if the right player out there proved that already I would be extremely surprised if TS was prepared to pay the going rate for a striker such as Stockton, Jephcott etc…….He had chances to do this in the summer but the budget obviously didn’t allow so I can’t see anything changing this in January….. My understanding regarding our long term strategy was to get young players with great potential in on long contracts so that we can make money on them in the future….Well to do this you have to pay the current going rate because no club is going to let their goal scoring CF go on the cheap…. I would imagine there were eyebrows raised at the fees paid when Ivan Toney moved from Newcastle and then through Peterborough etc….but look at what the guy is worth now…...speculate to accumulate springs to mind… Realistically I can see us either getting a young Prem striker in on loan or a Championship forward currently out of favour with their team on loan also…….I just can’t see TS paying the money required to bring in the type of players that posters are suggesting… Happy to be proven wrong though…… Taking your middle point, not only will any owner want to maximise transfer sales revenue but they will also look to reduce squad turnover every summer. With the mix of loans and older players we have seen, some 50% of the squad go elsewhere every year. Naturally the market is competitive, CAFC will need to pay the going rate and be seen as a good prospect in terms of career and possible promotion. All decent players at our level want to make it to the Championship either through promotion with us or getting exposure and a further move. Although Kirk not playing much now due to the change in system, Dobson, Clare, Famewo, Washington and Jaiyesimi are all playing virtually every game - all players that have joined this year. In addition, CAFC needs to enhance the training, sports science, medical, analytics and general experience so as to attract the best. No idea how we compare to other clubs in the same market but assumed that it was Roddy's brief to implement an improvement plan. And yes, I tend to agree that another loan or two is the most likely option right now unless a specific target becomes available. By January the club will know more about our chances of making the top six, but will we know more about the specific type of player they are looking for? Much will depend upon the chosen formation and approach - if we stick with 3-5-2 then it's clear where we are short. But a switch back to 4-2-3-1 or the diamond has different implications on who might go and who the club looks to bring in.
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 25, 2021 17:25:55 GMT
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Post by cafcjack83 on Nov 25, 2021 17:40:28 GMT
I see he's from Eastbourne originally hopefully that would appeal to him if we were ever to be interested in him over other clubs
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 25, 2021 19:07:39 GMT
He would be a decent option, always caused us problems when we have played them, would imagine there are other clubs sniffing around though
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Post by norfolkrobin on Nov 25, 2021 19:22:32 GMT
He would be a decent option, always caused us problems when we have played them, would imagine there are other clubs sniffing around though Agreed I think he'd be decent,must be frustrating looking at those infront of him in the pecking order,we could benefit from him not so much having a point to prove,just wanting to play more.Not sure if his age would put us off? Ideally we'd go and get Stockton,but realistically would we enter the auction Morecombe will probably be having in Jan.I like Ream's suggestion of Colby Bishop out of Contract next summer and 25.
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Post by jonkool on Nov 25, 2021 23:02:28 GMT
From scoham posted elsewhere - gives a very clear picture of how the rules affect us and what needs to happen: With JFC on the way back he’ll take Schwartz’s spot. That means we need to let players go before we can bring in any outfield over 21 players. Morgan counts as u21 so moving him on won’t free a spot. Of the rest of the squad we need to look at who we’ll be letting go in the summer and see which of them we may be able to move on in January. Due to his injuries Inniss is one of them, but for the same reason it may be difficult to attract interest. Gunter, Matthews and Watson are obvious candidates though their age and in some cases wage might result in the same issue. With Arter being on loan ending that in January will have to be considered if he’s not getting much game time. CBT is out of contract at the end of the year and doesn’t really fit into the current formation where he’ll be required to track back more. Kirk is another one who doesn’t fit the system unless he can grow into Lee’s role. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned back to Crewe with the situation reassessed in the summer. Soaure may well be released in the summer but it’s a long season with plenty of time for him to step up. I don’t see Pearce going having agreed a deal in which he moves onto coaching. Outside of those named above it would be a surprise to see anyone go. Now we’re playing two up front another striker is needed. We have the FA Cup and another Pizza Trophy game coming up, it’s a great chance to see if we have any u23s ready to step up. I’d like to see Burstow get a start in at least one of them, given we can’t bring in anyone until January it’s worth seeing if we have a young striker who can contribute to the first team. Kanu would be an option too but I hope we can get him on a pro deal once he turns 17 to avoid another Deji situation. I was keen for another right back to come in but this formation and our current injuries makes another CB more urgent. We might look to sign some of the loanees permanently, I can see Lee doing so, while Leko and Famewo feels less likely. Good summary. In some ways we segue back to the question kings hill addick asked about Sandgaard’s willingness to spend money. That willingness may well reflect the psychology of loss aversion as well as the pure economics of ‘correcting mistakes’. It may well cost money to move players on (subsidisation of wages, booking a loss on transfer fees paid, etc.) and Sandgaard may be reluctant to sanction such expenditure. Another option is to retain players, but leave them out of the registered squad of 22, as was the case with Ben Dempsey in September, for example. However, this may also ‘feel’ wasteful and be an ‘uncomfortable’ thing to do. Other than Harry Arter (I assume his loan agreement could be cancelled), it’s not obvious who we’d be both willing and able to move on or omit from the 22. For example, if we ship Davison out (and there would be takers for him, even if only on loan), we’d still be short of strikers if only one came in. How much does that help? Who would take Kirk on his current wages? Etc. Etc. There’s also a bit of a paradox at work here. If by January we’re well placed in the table, Sandgaard may take the view we don’t need to strengthen. If we’re not, he may conclude there’s no point since promotion will be out of reach. When faced with a dilemma many decision makers search for a logical way to proceed which resolves the dilemma without the need to actually solve it. A logical thing for Sandgaard to do in January might be to focus on next season not this one. That might mean he’ll aim to be strategic and not tactical and look to sign players only if he feels they represent ‘value for money’, development potential and future upside. Even then his willingness to act might be influenced by his experience of the signings he’s made so far. My guess is that if we’re hoping to see two to three players signed in the January window who will immediately strengthen the First XI and improve our chances of making the top six, we’re going to be disappointed. I hope I’m wrong obviously. Well Mundell it maybe down to your favourite hobby horse … a cup run. If by whatever means Jacko masterminds a round 2 Cup win and our ball comes out of the hat followed by United then TS may reinvest some of the gate receipts/tv money received early January. Then again if we lose at Gateshead or draw Huddersfield away then I suspect Slim Pickings will be making yet another appearance at SE7 come January!
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