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Post by dartford36 on Feb 16, 2020 14:47:48 GMT
First sight of both players for me yesterday. I’d thought Davis had been signed to add a bit of grit, some steel in the midfield and the two yellows he got at Stoke and Forest were, I thought maybe a sign he was not afraid to put a tackle in when it mattered. I didn’t have him down as a creative midfielder, and that seems to be the case on yesterdays’ evidence. The creativity I had expected to be supplied by McGeady but that didn’t come, which was a disappointment. The Sunderland Echo reports he was played in an unfamiliar centre midfield position - maybe that is significant? Smith - not for me, a bit lightweight yesterday but maybe he has other talents that we’re not on show. For me the biggest conundrum is the continued use of Hemed and the absence of Chucks on the bench. I find it difficult to comprehend.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 14:50:31 GMT
Must admit, I try to be positive about all thing CAFC but Davis looks absolutely pony. A few people on here highlighted the lack of attacking threat from midfield and I couldn’t really see it. But the majority of the midfield sit so deep. Huge gap between the forwards and midfielders. Massive fan of what Bowyer has done but this needs ironing out quick. Also think playing Hemed is like starting with 10 men! Just absolutely not up to it. But there were a few who told us that Davis was a great signing and that Hemed would come good? Surely they can't be wrong can they? If they both have good games, next weekend, they will say they were right. That's football and football fans.
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Post by jeddez on Feb 16, 2020 15:07:49 GMT
So you think we’ll be relegated then? Well they're getting paid to play football, if they cant do that then that's us done for. As mentioned already, the run of bad form Man City had just after their takeover was down to many players knowing they were on their way out. They knew how much Wonga was on the table, whereas we don't even have a table. RD should never have bought us, but it was at least him and us, us being everyone Charlton, fans, staff players, all one movement against adversity. We have no idea how much money we have so we dream and excuse the inexcusable. I'm really pissed off with this fragmented feel at the club. Early days, you not I or anyone knows how much money we have. We also have no control of it. So let’s just see before predicting abomination!! Every players gets paid to play football in this league, it’s a competition, we win some, we lose some. Never been any different!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 16:02:54 GMT
Jeddez, we lose more than some, but I agree in essence, I'm just grumpy today
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 22:56:54 GMT
It's concerning me that players are In the first team who haven't earned their place there. Oz, who has, gets dropped for a loanee who isn't match fit. Even Davison is better than Hemed, and he scores the odd goal. Bowyer has to make the right changes for next Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 2:38:13 GMT
It's concerning me that players are In the first team who haven't earned their place there. Oz, who has, gets dropped for a loanee who isn't match fit. Even Davison is better than Hemed, and he scores the odd goal. Bowyer has to make the right changes for next Saturday. I liked the performance of Davison when he scored but I would still have Hemed ahead in the pecking order. Still not given up on him I know others (all others?) have.
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Post by funkymunky on Feb 18, 2020 10:44:41 GMT
I think our window signings were a combination of desperation to get a few bodies in to cover for injuries and ESI believing the “we’ll be alright on the night” when the injured come back line and therefore spending as little as possible. Green early in the window was a positive step but from that point on we were shopping in Lidl. I can’t believe that Davis or Smith were anywhere near Gallen’s list never mind at the top. The January window is a difficult thing so expectations should never be too high. My worry is that the ITK gossip appears to suggest that Maddison and Bostock were our top targets. If that was/is the height of our ambition then I am even more concerned than I am already.
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Post by Mundell on Feb 18, 2020 12:08:52 GMT
I think our window signings were a combination of desperation to get a few bodies in to cover for injuries and ESI believing the “we’ll be alright on the night” when the injured come back line and therefore spending as little as possible. Green early in the window was a positive step but from that point on we were shopping in Lidl. I can’t believe that Davis or Smith were anywhere near Gallen’s list never mind at the top. The January window is a difficult thing so expectations should never be too high. My worry is that the ITK gossip appears to suggest that Maddison and Bostock were our top targets. If that was/is the height of our ambition then I am even more concerned than I am already. That’s my view too and I’m sure that’s what Matt Southall told Tahnoon Nimer. We’ll be OK. No need to splash the cash. He then delivered bodies because Lee Bowyer wanted them, but it looks like window dressing to me. Is Matt Smith really a better bet than Albie Morgan? The real question is whether this was the approach followed because ESI don’t have any cash or do, but didn’t want to spend it in January? We’ll find out in the summer I guess.
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Post by leedsaddick on Feb 18, 2020 12:48:03 GMT
I think our window signings were a combination of desperation to get a few bodies in to cover for injuries and ESI believing the “we’ll be alright on the night” when the injured come back line and therefore spending as little as possible. Green early in the window was a positive step but from that point on we were shopping in Lidl. I can’t believe that Davis or Smith were anywhere near Gallen’s list never mind at the top. The January window is a difficult thing so expectations should never be too high. My worry is that the ITK gossip appears to suggest that Maddison and Bostock were our top targets. If that was/is the height of our ambition then I am even more concerned than I am already. That’s my view too and I’m sure that’s what Matt Southall told Tahnoon Nimer. We’ll be OK. No need to splash the cash. He then delivered bodies because Lee Bowyer wanted them, but it looks like window dressing to me. Is Matt Smith really a better bet than Albie Morgan? The real question is whether this was the approach followed because ESI don’t have any cash or do, but didn’t want to spend it in January? We’ll find out in the summer I guess.
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Post by leedsaddick on Feb 18, 2020 12:57:17 GMT
I think that there's another angle that we may be missing and I base this on the Youtube clip from the Peterboro Chairman and his perceptions of the January Window. In that clip, he holistically talked about the business impact of what they were trying to accomplish and also where transfer monies fitted in i,e... upgrading the academy, a perm sigining from Bristol City, together with Maddison's ego.... I found this very insightfull and more informative than Club's clips where LB and MS state that they're happy..... why cant they provide more context? The club's budget constraints, players not wanting to move to London, targets not fitting in culturally... anything rather that a very smooth Corporate Sound bite.... If you want an open and transparent dialogue, this is the way to go.... but it is a risk and Maddison was named and shamed by his parent club
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Post by Mundell on Feb 18, 2020 13:44:43 GMT
I think that there's another angle that we may be missing and I base this on the Youtube clip from the Peterboro Chairman and his perceptions of the January Window. In that clip, he holistically talked about the business impact of what they were trying to accomplish and also where transfer monies fitted in i,e... upgrading the academy, a perm sigining from Bristol City, together with Maddison's ego.... I found this very insightfull and more informative than Club's clips where LB and MS state that they're happy..... why cant they provide more context? The club's budget constraints, players not wanting to move to London, targets not fitting in culturally... anything rather that a very smooth Corporate Sound bite.... If you want an open and transparent dialogue, this is the way to go.... but it is a risk and Maddison was named and shamed by his parent club I’m trying to manage my own cynicism leedsaddick but my intuition is that while Matt Southall is working very hard on his communication with the fans he’s being anything but transparent. He’s telling us what he thinks we want to hear, not what’s important. This might be entirely innocent and we need to hope it is. It’s also possible though that if we really knew what was going on behind the scenes in ESI we wouldn’t like it.
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Post by jonkool on Feb 18, 2020 14:06:32 GMT
I think that there's another angle that we may be missing and I base this on the Youtube clip from the Peterboro Chairman and his perceptions of the January Window. In that clip, he holistically talked about the business impact of what they were trying to accomplish and also where transfer monies fitted in i,e... upgrading the academy, a perm sigining from Bristol City, together with Maddison's ego.... I found this very insightfull and more informative than Club's clips where LB and MS state that they're happy..... why cant they provide more context? The club's budget constraints, players not wanting to move to London, targets not fitting in culturally... anything rather that a very smooth Corporate Sound bite.... If you want an open and transparent dialogue, this is the way to go.... but it is a risk and Maddison was named and shamed by his parent club I’m trying to manage my own cynicism leedsaddick but my intuition is that while Matt Southall is working very hard on his communication with the fans he’s being anything but transparent. He’s telling us what he thinks we want to hear, not what’s important. This might be entirely innocent and we need to hope it is. It’s also possible though that if we really knew what was going on behind the scenes in ESI we wouldn’t like it. Mmm as always only time will tell. Once upon a time when players transferred the fee was fully disclosed and even basic wages were confirmed. However we are most definitely in the world of 'undisclosed' in terms of all aspects of the running of a club. Mr Posh is an exception to the rule.
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Post by Bodiam on Feb 18, 2020 15:01:16 GMT
I think our window signings were a combination of desperation to get a few bodies in to cover for injuries and ESI believing the “we’ll be alright on the night” when the injured come back line and therefore spending as little as possible. Green early in the window was a positive step but from that point on we were shopping in Lidl. I can’t believe that Davis or Smith were anywhere near Gallen’s list never mind at the top. The January window is a difficult thing so expectations should never be too high. My worry is that the ITK gossip appears to suggest that Maddison and Bostock were our top targets. If that was/is the height of our ambition then I am even more concerned than I am already. That’s my view too and I’m sure that’s what Matt Southall told Tahnoon Nimer. We’ll be OK. No need to splash the cash. He then delivered bodies because Lee Bowyer wanted them, but it looks like window dressing to me. Is Matt Smith really a better bet than Albie Morgan? The real question is whether this was the approach followed because ESI don’t have any cash or do, but didn’t want to spend it in January? We’ll find out in the summer I guess. They don’t have any cash......
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Post by essexaddick on Feb 18, 2020 15:24:10 GMT
I think our window signings were a combination of desperation to get a few bodies in to cover for injuries and ESI believing the “we’ll be alright on the night” when the injured come back line and therefore spending as little as possible. Green early in the window was a positive step but from that point on we were shopping in Lidl. I can’t believe that Davis or Smith were anywhere near Gallen’s list never mind at the top. The January window is a difficult thing so expectations should never be too high. My worry is that the ITK gossip appears to suggest that Maddison and Bostock were our top targets. If that was/is the height of our ambition then I am even more concerned than I am already. That is an affront to Lidl.
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Post by essexaddick on Feb 18, 2020 15:30:06 GMT
Well they're getting paid to play football, if they cant do that then that's us done for. As mentioned already, the run of bad form Man City had just after their takeover was down to many players knowing they were on their way out. They knew how much Wonga was on the table, whereas we don't even have a table. RD should never have bought us, but it was at least him and us, us being everyone Charlton, fans, staff players, all one movement against adversity. We have no idea how much money we have so we dream and excuse the inexcusable. I'm really pissed off with this fragmented feel at the club. Early days, you not I or anyone knows how much money we have. We also have no control of it. So let’s just see before predicting abomination!! Every players gets paid to play football in this league, it’s a competition, we win some, we lose some. Never been any different! Yes but we are losing more than nearly everyone else and more than we are winning.
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Post by jeddez on Feb 18, 2020 16:22:50 GMT
Early days, you not I or anyone knows how much money we have. We also have no control of it. So let’s just see before predicting abomination!! Every players gets paid to play football in this league, it’s a competition, we win some, we lose some. Never been any different! Yes but we are losing more than nearly everyone else and more than we are winning. Well as long as we have more points than 3 other teams come the end of the season then that’s all that matters. Then the rebuild begins.
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Post by seriouslyred on Feb 18, 2020 22:13:07 GMT
I think that there's another angle that we may be missing and I base this on the Youtube clip from the Peterboro Chairman and his perceptions of the January Window. In that clip, he holistically talked about the business impact of what they were trying to accomplish and also where transfer monies fitted in i,e... upgrading the academy, a perm sigining from Bristol City, together with Maddison's ego.... I found this very insightfull and more informative than Club's clips where LB and MS state that they're happy..... why cant they provide more context? The club's budget constraints, players not wanting to move to London, targets not fitting in culturally... anything rather that a very smooth Corporate Sound bite.... If you want an open and transparent dialogue, this is the way to go.... but it is a risk and Maddison was named and shamed by his parent club I’m trying to manage my own cynicism leedsaddick but my intuition is that while Matt Southall is working very hard on his communication with the fans he’s being anything but transparent. He’s telling us what he thinks we want to hear, not what’s important. This might be entirely innocent and we need to hope it is. It’s also possible though that if we really knew what was going on behind the scenes in ESI we wouldn’t like it. One doubts the fanbase would like to know the detail of ESI behind the scenes because whatever people had to say about RD, everyone knew he's a billionaire and was willing to fund a top six League 1 / bottom six Championship playing budget. We are never going to have completely open communication from CAFC, nor will we know what the actual budgets are in 2020. But the Peterborough chairman clip did play to the Southall narrative of trying but failing to spend real money. We can only be happy when we win a few games but one wonders why ESI did not spend serious money in January so as to increase chances of avoiding relegation. Not sure they had it to spend?!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 0:21:47 GMT
I’m trying to manage my own cynicism leedsaddick but my intuition is that while Matt Southall is working very hard on his communication with the fans he’s being anything but transparent. He’s telling us what he thinks we want to hear, not what’s important. This might be entirely innocent and we need to hope it is. It’s also possible though that if we really knew what was going on behind the scenes in ESI we wouldn’t like it. One doubts the fanbase would like to know the detail of ESI behind the scenes because whatever people had to say about RD, everyone knew he's a billionaire and was willing to fund a top six League 1 / bottom six Championship playing budget. We are never going to have completely open communication from CAFC, nor will we know what the actual budgets are in 2020. But the Peterborough chairman clip did play to the Southall narrative of trying but failing to spend real money. We can only be happy when we win a few games but one wonders why ESI did not spend serious money in January so as to increase chances of avoiding relegation. Not sure they had it to spend?! Perhaps nobody was available that they (and Bows etc) fancied???
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Post by IpswichAddick on Feb 20, 2020 8:54:57 GMT
Two totally unnecessary defensive midfielder signings last month when we already had Pratley and Cullen? Our entire midfield has no goals in them so what is Bowyer thinking of exactly? Pratley needing a rest does not justify two poor players coming in and being nowhere as good as he is. Gallens postive/negative list of players signed has taken serious hit with these two latest flops. How can you have eight defensive players in your line up and concede five goals on successive Saturday's? I actually thought smith was really promising when he came on. Even Bowyer said it himself, he wasn’t played in the right position and even then he did well so I agree that Davis is useless but I rather like Smith
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Post by hairyhotdog on Feb 20, 2020 11:13:15 GMT
.... to play instead of Dempsey Vennings and Morgan , when the inevitable injuries come.... see: Pratley Field & Williams...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 12:40:48 GMT
Two totally unnecessary defensive midfielder signings last month when we already had Pratley and Cullen? Our entire midfield has no goals in them so what is Bowyer thinking of exactly? Pratley needing a rest does not justify two poor players coming in and being nowhere as good as he is. Gallens postive/negative list of players signed has taken serious hit with these two latest flops. How can you have eight defensive players in your line up and concede five goals on successive Saturday's? I actually thought smith was really promising when he came on. Even Bowyer said it himself, he wasn’t played in the right position and even then he did well so I agree that Davis is useless but I rather like Smith I think I would rather judge, on more than about three games, before labelling someone useless.
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Post by IpswichAddick on Feb 20, 2020 12:41:35 GMT
I actually thought smith was really promising when he came on. Even Bowyer said it himself, he wasn’t played in the right position and even then he did well so I agree that Davis is useless but I rather like Smith I think I would rather judge, on more than about three games, before labelling someone useless. Yeah exactly. People judge too quickly
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Post by AndyAddick on Feb 22, 2020 12:49:37 GMT
I think I would rather judge, on more than about three games, before labelling someone useless. Yeah exactly. People judge too quickly My Birmingham contacts tell me Davis will do us a job, not the greatest player but certainly not the worst , he won’t score many/ any but will put his foot in where / when needed
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Post by jeddez on Feb 22, 2020 18:38:12 GMT
Got a good assist today did Davis...
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Post by bexleyboy on Feb 22, 2020 18:41:37 GMT
Good assist and and very good performance from him today ....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 18:57:23 GMT
Two of our three signings didn’t even get on the pitch. Sad reflection of our Jan window under Southall....
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Post by roburwash on Feb 22, 2020 19:11:55 GMT
Are we allowed to say that on what we've seen thus far Davis hasn't looked good?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 19:16:11 GMT
Are we allowed to say that on what we've seen thus far Davis hasn't looked good? first time I’d seen him was today and he looked a poor mans pratley to me. Average at best
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 19:36:40 GMT
Two of our three signings didn’t even get on the pitch. Sad reflection of our Jan window under Southall.... Were they not got in to bolster the squad?... No doubt, they will get a chance at some point... Sheff Wednesday this week, and Huddersfield at the weekend....
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Post by seriouslyred on Feb 22, 2020 19:48:40 GMT
Two of our three signings didn’t even get on the pitch. Sad reflection of our Jan window under Southall.... Were they not got in to bolster the squad?... No doubt, they will get a chance at some point... Sheff Wednesday this week, and Huddersfield at the weekend.... Green was on the pitch and had a fantastic game - seem to recall many doubted him based upon a dodgy loan in the first half of the season? Not seen enough of McGeady to comment. The point is that we've now lost Field, Williams is out but we still have options for both the system and choice of midfield. Of course we all want to see better options next season - but that will cost millions! Of the 15 players who are loans or out of contract this summer, most fans will really want to keep five or six - that offers a massive opportunity to improve our squad for next season... and keep climbing the leagues for the fourth season in a row!
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