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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 25, 2020 16:15:51 GMT
Down to 20th we go with the three of the five teams below us having a game in hand.
Southall doesn't do success.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 25, 2020 16:43:49 GMT
Down to 20th we go with the three of the five teams below us having a game in hand. Southall doesn't do success. 21st will do nicely, thank you, very much!
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 25, 2020 16:46:33 GMT
I agree, after 46 games.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 25, 2020 16:49:48 GMT
2-0 Stoke.
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Post by oisalmon74 on Jan 25, 2020 16:53:55 GMT
What is it with these top teams. Don’t they want promotion?
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Post by hairyhotdog on Jan 25, 2020 16:55:14 GMT
Don’t think many of us actually saw Stoke as a viable relegation side ,anyway....
Conor booked as well , think that puts him on 9 , if so he has 8 games to avoid another yellow or face a 2 game ban...
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Jan 25, 2020 17:07:21 GMT
Stoke will be nowhere near this end come the season finish. People are clutching to negativity if they deem them a relegation rival to us.
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 25, 2020 17:23:15 GMT
Down to 20th we go with the three of the five teams below us having a game in hand. Southall doesn't do success. 21st will do nicely, thank you, very much! In the summer 21st was our target this season .. but it’s the points column that’s important not games played
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 25, 2020 17:32:46 GMT
21st will do nicely, thank you, very much! In the summer 21st was our target this season .. but it’s the points column that’s important not games played I’m not sure I understand this Bexley?
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Post by dartford36 on Jan 25, 2020 17:38:49 GMT
Stoke appointed an internationally experienced manager not so long ago - their improvement in form is no surprise to me.
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 25, 2020 19:55:02 GMT
Stoke are of no concern. We need to finish higher than the two teams we came up with, plus one other. The simplest way to do this is to beat Barnsley and Luton at home as that will both stretch the gap and demoralise them. For me not so much about 21st as retaining a healthy margin over the bottom three and seeing how whoever arrives next week beds in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 20:37:58 GMT
We have 30 points from 29 games. That puts Charlton exactly on target to just avoid relegation, probably... (48 points from 46 games).
The three teams currently in the relegation zone are well behind the target - which is based on the average points requirement over the past 12 seasons. The likelihood is that all or some of those teams will begin to pick up more points.
It is more likely than not that Charlton will slip closer to 22nd place, even if 23rd and 24th remain at arms length. This makes it all the more vital to get back ahead of the relegation curve.
A win against Barnsley will put Charlton 2 points ahead of that target, and of course deprive Barnsley of the points they need. The 'avoid relegation' target for 30 games played is 31 points. Beating Barnsley will take us to 33 points.
We have to beat them. That's all there is to it.
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Post by jonkool on Jan 25, 2020 20:47:56 GMT
We have 30 points from 29 games. That puts Charlton exactly on target to just avoid relegation, probably... (48 points from 46 games). The three teams currently in the relegation zone are well behind the target - which is based on the average points requirement over the past 12 seasons. The likelihood is that all or some of those teams will begin to pick up more points. It is more likely than not that Charlton will slip closer to 22nd place, even if 23rd and 24th remain at arms length. This makes it all the more vital to get back ahead of the relegation curve. A win against Barnsley will put Charlton 2 points ahead of that target, and of course deprive Barnsley of the points they need. The 'avoid relegation' target for 30 games played is 31 points. Beating Barnsley will take us to 33 points. We have to beat them. That's all there is to it. I know what you mean Lardi but logically if we lose we still have plenty more games to get the 45+ points required to avoid relegation and Barnsley have plenty more games to lose. A defeat next Saturday is far from perfect but we all need to keep our nerve!
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Post by willett on Jan 25, 2020 21:17:20 GMT
Tuesday’s Games:
Luton v Derby Wigan v Sheffield Wednesday Hull v Huddersfield
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 25, 2020 21:54:10 GMT
In the summer 21st was our target this season .. but it’s the points column that’s important not games played I’m not sure I understand this Bexley? Before the season started we would have taken 4th from bottom on goal diff .. our aim this season was to survive which we were on course to do do comfortably but for the horrendous injury list .... but we have the points in the bag and teams might have a game in hand but they have to win them and these teams are in the bottom three for a reason they can’t win games ...
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Post by Mundell on Jan 25, 2020 21:54:20 GMT
We have 30 points from 29 games. That puts Charlton exactly on target to just avoid relegation, probably... (48 points from 46 games). The three teams currently in the relegation zone are well behind the target - which is based on the average points requirement over the past 12 seasons. The likelihood is that all or some of those teams will begin to pick up more points. It is more likely than not that Charlton will slip closer to 22nd place, even if 23rd and 24th remain at arms length. This makes it all the more vital to get back ahead of the relegation curve. A win against Barnsley will put Charlton 2 points ahead of that target, and of course deprive Barnsley of the points they need. The 'avoid relegation' target for 30 games played is 31 points. Beating Barnsley will take us to 33 points. We have to beat them. That's all there is to it. I know what you mean Lardi but logically if we lose we still have plenty more games to get the 45+ points required to avoid relegation and Barnsley have plenty more games to lose. A defeat next Saturday is far from perfect but we all need to keep our nerve! 100%. In the 2013/14 season we had a six pointer against Barnsley in our 41st game. It looked like an absolutely must win match. We lost. Disaster. I went home that night thinking we were going down. We took ten points from our last five matches. Barnsley lost their last four. We stayed up. They went down. These six pointers are important, but they’re not playoff semifinals.
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Post by jonkool on Jan 25, 2020 21:54:49 GMT
Tuesday’s Games: Luton v Derby Wigan v Sheffield Wednesday Hull v Huddersfield All are tough games for our relegation rivals but then again all Championship games are tough and so often acco breakers!
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 25, 2020 21:55:38 GMT
Barnsley got well beaten by league one Portsmouth today in the cup ..
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Post by jonkool on Jan 25, 2020 21:57:04 GMT
Barnsley got well beaten by league one Portsmouth today in the cup .. But I would imagine they put out their Under 12’s!
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 25, 2020 21:59:54 GMT
I’m not sure I understand this Bexley? Before the season started we would have taken 4th from bottom on goal diff .. our aim this season was to survive which we were on course to do do comfortably but for the horrendous injury list .... but we have the points in the bag and teams might have a game in hand but they have to win them and these teams are in the bottom three for a reason they can’t win games ... Thanks, I understand now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 22:28:25 GMT
...In the 2013/14 season we had a six pointer against Barnsley in our 41st game. It looked like an absolutely must win match. We lost. Disaster. I went home that night thinking we were going down. We took ten points from our last five matches. Barnsley lost their last four. We stayed up. They went down. These six pointers are important, but they’re not playoff semifinals. What would be the odds of that happening again - Charlton losing to Barnsley and then taking 10 points from our last 5 games ( and Barnsley losing their last 4)? Granted it isn't impossible, but I'm pretty sure all of us don't want to be in that position again. Certainly not in the position of needing something like 10 points from our last 5 games. Miracle escapes are wonderful to look back on, but they certainly can't be relied on. For reasons of morale and momentum as well as hanging on to some kind of margin of safety, as far as I'm concerned Barnsley is a must-win game. That shouldn't have a negative effect on the team or the manager. It should help to focus them. They know what they have to do, and they should go out and do it. They could do without the 'comfort' of assuming it's not the end of the world if this match is not won. They are running out of slack, it's time to get some results.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 25, 2020 23:03:46 GMT
I’m not sure I understand this Bexley? Before the season started we would have taken 4th from bottom on goal diff .. our aim this season was to survive which we were on course to do do comfortably but for the horrendous injury list .... but we have the points in the bag and teams might have a game in hand but they have to win them and these teams are in the bottom three for a reason they can’t win games ... And we have won of our last 17!!! Jesus wept, I'm feel embarrassed for you sometimes. Just my opinion but Luton apart, we have the worst squad in the bottom six. The only way out of the pickle we are in is to bring players in, injured players returning to the squad will not keep us up no matter what Matt Southall tells you. His comments last night suggesting they would be like new signings was a desperately naive thing to say. Fans should be worried that he did.
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Post by Mundell on Jan 25, 2020 23:07:43 GMT
...In the 2013/14 season we had a six pointer against Barnsley in our 41st game. It looked like an absolutely must win match. We lost. Disaster. I went home that night thinking we were going down. We took ten points from our last five matches. Barnsley lost their last four. We stayed up. They went down. These six pointers are important, but they’re not playoff semifinals. What would be the odds of that happening again - Charlton losing to Barnsley and then taking 10 points from our last 5 games ( and Barnsley losing their last 4)? Granted it isn't impossible, but I'm pretty sure all of us don't want to be in that position again. Certainly not in the position of needing something like 10 points from our last 5 games. Miracle escapes are wonderful to look back on, but they certainly can't be relied on. For reasons of morale and momentum as well as hanging on to some kind of margin of safety, as far as I'm concerned Barnsley is a must-win game. That shouldn't have a negative effect on the team or the manager. It should help to focus them. They know what they have to do, and they should go out and do it. They could do without the 'comfort' of assuming it's not the end of the world if this match is not won. They are running out of slack, it's time to get some results. You’re over interpreting the example I used to illustrate my point. It would be great to beat Barnsley, but it is not a must win game. Even if we lose to Barnsley the bookies may still rate us as more likely than them to survive. That will certainly be true if we draw. The players will be totally committed. They always are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 0:08:01 GMT
You’re over interpreting the example I used to illustrate my point. It would be great to beat Barnsley, but it is not a must win game. Even if we lose to Barnsley the bookies may still rate us as more likely than them to survive. That will certainly be true if we draw. The players will be totally committed. They always are. I did take your example a bit too literally, but only to emphasise my point. Picking up a point here and a point there has been very important, especially points against the likes of West Brom and Fulham. But we really should be looking to do better than pick up one home point against Barnsley. The very last thing we all want is to go into the last couple of games this season still not safe from relegation. A win against Barnsley would go a long way towards avoiding that scenario. Personally I'd regard a draw at the weekend as a very mediocre result. Yes it would deny Barnsley 3 points, but if we cannot beat them at the Valley then surely more will begin to seriously doubt that we deserve to remain in this league. Granted we will live to fight another day, but with the knowledge of a big chance wasted. It's been a difficult couple of weeks one way or another. Some transfer window signings and 3 points on Saturday will cheer most of us up no end.
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Post by Mundell on Jan 26, 2020 9:32:12 GMT
We could certainly do with a win. That’s for sure.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 28, 2020 16:03:25 GMT
Wigan, Luton and Huddersfield all in action tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 16:07:37 GMT
Wigan, Luton and Huddersfield all in action tonight. Everything going on at moment around our club etc lack of signings .I can't really be bothered what happens to be honest.
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Post by willett on Jan 28, 2020 17:19:41 GMT
Can see at least two of the three getting wins/draws.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Jan 28, 2020 18:34:39 GMT
Wigan, Luton and Huddersfield all in action tonight. Everything going on at moment around our club etc lack of signings .I can't really be bothered what happens to be honest. Exactly wiggy , when we win 11 or 12 of our remaining matches , it don’t matter what these teams do....
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 28, 2020 19:51:19 GMT
Leeds 0-1 Millwall.
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